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Dumb article. He suggests it's a girl-specific issue. Then at the end of the article shows that the decline in boys' basketball has been similar.

Nationally, Girls participation is down 5%. For boys, it's 3%.
In Indiana, Girls participation is down 20%. For boys, it's 22%.
 

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I thought it was interesting. Great comments by FairView of course. One line I found interesting:

A feeder system that weeds out non-elite players at earlier and earlier ages, leaving fewer girls ready and willing to join a team (especially if they’re never going to play) in the high school years, and more girls deciding at younger ages that they’re sick of the sport and its demands.

I will say this as non-condescendingly as possible... This won't have any impact on UCONN because of the 433,000 girls playing high school hoops, maybe 50 might be kids UCONN would recruit. The fact that the lesser talented girls are opting for other interests has no impact on UCONN. I thought it was interesting that girls hoops now ranks 3rd behind track/field and volleyball in sheer #'s of participation.

Not sure there are any "important" conclusions to be drawn from it, except that for a variety of reasons, less girls are playing high school hoops...
 

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Interesting article, thanks for posting it.

Just for background - I've got two daughters who played sports, and I coached a number of youth sports (including bball), but, mostly I coached girls fast-pitch softball for 20 years, including 8 years of good high-school varsity.

I agree with much of what the article says, as far as both the competition with other sports options (in softball, the addition/expansion of girls' lacrosse at our high school created competition for both players and gym time. We also lost good players to other spring sports). I also agree that the specialization can create burn-out, bad vibes, and, I would add, parents for whom anything less than a "starring role" for their special princess is consider a failure, and not worth participating in. Add in work conflicts and social demands, and you have this bizarre situation where it is hard to get kids to participate, make practices, work really hard and focus for a full practice .. and, yet, if you don't do that, then the final product on the field is poor, and then kids and parents get discouraged. "oh, Janie can't make a lot of practices, has to come late or leave early, but, we want her to play, and star,.. oh, the team sucks, she's not having any fun, I don't think it's worth it". One of my favorite expressions about life is "Everybody wants to go to heaven, but, nobody wants to die". High school sports can be a lot like that - everybody wants to win and look good doing it, but, nobody wants to do the drudge work, and put in the time, to reach that goal.

You also have coaches who can mess things up. Not having sons, I can only speak for girls, both as a coach and as a father - but, the right coach can make the whole program work, and the wrong one can drive it into the ground. And, coaching girls can be tricky, knowing when to put on your "coach hat", and when to put on your "father/uncle hat". Girls are very sensitive to slights, both real and imaginary, and you have to strive for fairness. That doesn't mean everybody gets to play or take a turn, but it does mean don't have "coach's pets" , and communicate clearly. Avoid being manipulated by players and parents.

Often with scholastic teams, by contract, teachers get "first crack" at coaching teams. Particularly with freshman and JV teams, the teacher coaching may have little to no experience actually coaching a team, or dealing with teenage girls outside of the structure of the classroom - and, if a kid has an inept coach at the introductory level, then, they often don't stay with the sport. Also, athletic directors sometimes don't put a lot of time or thought into selecting coaches of "minor" sports. This may not happen much with flagship sports like football or boy's basketball, but, I've seen it happen with softball, even at the D3 college level.

I'll add two more things. Competition for time isn't limited to job conflicts and other sports options. The whole computer and technology explosion eats up huge, I mean, huge amounts of the hours of the day for this demographic. Playing the "old fart" card, in my day, it was TV (4 channels!), radio, record player, land-line telephone. If you wanted to "do something" with other kids, you did games or sports. Organized team sports were a natural outgrowth of the neighborhood pick-up game. Organized team sports are not the natural outgrowth of spending hours on end playing "Left 4 Dead" or "Call of Duty", or "Grand Theft Auto V" or whatever. Those are physically sedentary, internet anonymous, and soda and Doritos are often involved.

This is the second of my "two more things". This is not a physically active generation. They get less exercise, spend less time outdoors, and are relatively overweight. Basketball is a tremendously demanding sport, body-wise: speed, quickness, endurance, athleticism, vision, judgement, and lots of repetition of mechanics. Other sports are easier.
 

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In my area it's volleyball that's drawing all the girls. Less contact, more hairbows, according to the parents I've talked to. Very annoying.

ETA: I coach youth basketball, and the participation is definitely declining.
 
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I think that the decrease in participation of both Boy's and Girl's sports is due in large part to the fact that kids these days would rather stay inside and play a video game, play on their computer, or watch TV rather than going outside and playing in a pick up game of some sport. The kids these days have so many more forms of entertainment than we had when we were young. We were forced to get out of the house and find something to do out of shear boredom. The days of getting up at the crack of dawn and playing basketball at the local park until the street lights came on is a bygone era.
 

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Many young girls have such social interests that they don't feel the necessity for sports and other physically demanding activities. With Facebook , the Internet , and socializing media , basketball has had to take a backseat for many except the truly obviously gifted players. Thus , the number of active players has declined. For both boys and girls.

It stands to reason that the number of participants are down , but the number of quality ( 4 & 5 star ) players has increased. I think because the better players are still participating. When you take a look at the scouting services rankings you find more 4 and 5- Star ranked players now than say 10 years ago. I believe because the better players are sticking with the sport. And the lesser players are going with the new social media outlets and giving up the sport. Maybe not in large numbers but enough to finally be noticed.

JMHO.
 
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From my time coaching girls basketball I saw a combination of things:

- kids not willing to make it a 12 month a year sport, which its becoming to be good (on average)
- volleyball gets girls early and, as noted above, appears more glamorous (including how girls notice boys are more willing to attend vball games)
- the internet/tv consuming far more time.
- kids not willing to take constructive criticism that comes from a coach because many don't see it at home.
 
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Don't get why the headline is "Girls Basketball Participation Declining?" when the writer concludes by relating comparable declines in football, baseball, soccer (which I thought to be the fastest growing youth sport in USA?) and golf. Why then his focus on girls basketball? The decline spans so many sports and demographics as to render the writers' anecdotal observations interesting but little more. Sawxfan offers a very plausible explanation. I remember shoveling the snow-covered asphalt courts at the community center so friends and I could shoot around (and freeze) for 2-3 hours. Most kids today? Don't think so.
 
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yes other sports numbers are declining commensurate with girls hoops.....

perhaps the reason for the alarm with girls basketball is that with the dwindling numbers...... the sport doesnt have enough to start with..... so with lesser numbers they are in danger of not being able to field teams at all
 
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Well, the good news is that participation numbers over the past 30 years in all high school sports ( according to the National Fed. of State High School Assocs.) has been increasing in a very healthy manner. From 1983-4 thru 2013-4 the total number of girls participating in all sports has increased by 87%. And for the boys the increase is 54%. A big part of the increase for girls has to do with their participation in "newer" sports : bowling, ice hockey, badminton, lacrosse, skiing( cross country and downhill), gymnastics, and competitive spirit teams. And some of these are so-called carry-over sports, meaning they'll be playing at them long after they get out of school. In my mind these carry-over sports are much more important offerings for the general school populations. Looking at these figures, I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to complain that kids are sitting home watching tv or playing on their smart phones.
 

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Here in Central Illinois, soccer is on the uptick. It remains to be seen whether this growth can be sustained, and if it is merely a regional blip.

Someone said, "Soccer is the next big thing, and has been for the last 40 years."
 

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Many HS Basketball players also play Soccer since the seasons usually don't overlap.
 

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Don't get why the headline is "Girls Basketball Participation Declining?" when the writer concludes by relating comparable declines in football, baseball, soccer (which I thought to be the fastest growing youth sport in USA?) and golf. Why then his focus on girls basketball? The decline spans so many sports and demographics as to render the writers' anecdotal observations interesting but little more. Sawxfan offers a very plausible explanation. I remember shoveling the snow-covered asphalt courts at the community center so friends and I could shoot around (and freeze) for 2-3 hours. Most kids today? Don't think so.

1. The impetus of the story is the disbanding of the New Auburn High School girls senior basketball team for two years running due to a lack of participation. The other initial parts of the story also deal with the girl's side of the sport.

2. Specific to a previous comment that it was a dumb article because the headline refers to girls basketball but the end of the article shows the same decline for boys participation: Generally speaking, most authors who write for publications do not choose the headline. That's the editor's job. I write for a publication and I shake my head sometimes at what my editor does.

3. And kudos to Pinotbear for what I think are spot on observations, based in part of my being the parent of two girls who played sports. No silly bear there! :)
 

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Feeding into what Pinot said, and borrowing from Farney's comment about not wanting constructive criticism - that is almost sure to be a contributing factor. In team sports, especially. The coach is likely going to be critical in a way that you didn't have it at home, so if you are not otherwise motivated or exceptionally skilled, perhaps you can find something else to do.
 

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Having been a college prof for over 40 years, I can assure you that a significant majority of parents and students expect "great job" to be a given no matter what. Not a surprise that many referred to me as "blunt".

BTW, the average grade in college is B. Some differences, eg Science and Engineering lower, Education higher(!).
 

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ESPN did a nice article a year and a half ago on the subject, and it included in the reams of data analyzed many of the points made above. Overall, sports participation has decreased somewhat sharply though some sports are growing, and on the whole from 2013 demographic data, the number of students in the USA is remaining level, though again there are areas in the SW that are booming and some in the heartlands that are declining. Participation in football (and even soccer to a lesser extent) is declining significantly as more data on cranial issues emerges. Competition for kids from different sports leaves some sports with issues ahead, and there are many over-stretched kids like my daughter who was involved in six sports in a year and had to drop all but one when in HS. New sports for high schools like lacrosse gets established and bleeds many of the best athletes from other sports, leaving them all in a weakened state.

But as the ESPN article notes, just because a kid drops a sport because of a bad coach or that she is not having fun or she gets injured, it doesn't mean the decision is final. Many kids go back and forth between sports as their circumstances change. but if America wants to keep the next generation on the field and in the arena, it needs to figure out a way to appeal better to kids and parents and resolve the horror issues that collect around certain sports.
 
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2. Specific to a previous comment that it was a dumb article because the headline refers to girls basketball but the end of the article shows the same decline for boys participation: Generally speaking, most authors who write for publications do not choose the headline. That's the editor's job. I write for a publication and I shake my head sometimes at what my editor does.

Thanks for the insight, but I wasnt talking about the title. The clear thrust of the article is that GIRLS basketball is declining. But in fact his own data show that BASKETBALL is declining. If he wanted to look specifically at the girls' side of the equation, that's fine. But he should've noted the general trend of BB decline at the top of his article, and not make it seem like this is an issue unique to girls.
 
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ESPN did a nice article a year and a half ago on the subject, and it included in the reams of data analyzed many of the points made above. Overall, sports participation has decreased somewhat sharply though some sports are growing, and on the whole from 2013 demographic data, the number of students in the USA is remaining level, though again there are areas in the SW that are booming and some in the heartlands that are declining. Participation in football (and even soccer to a lesser extent) is declining significantly as more data on cranial issues emerges. Competition for kids from different sports leaves some sports with issues ahead, and there are many over-stretched kids like my daughter who was involved in six sports in a year and had to drop all but one when in HS. New sports for high schools like lacrosse gets established and bleeds many of the best athletes from other sports, leaving them all in a weakened state.

But as the ESPN article notes, just because a kid drops a sport because of a bad coach or that she is not having fun or she gets injured, it doesn't mean the decision is final. Many kids go back and forth between sports as their circumstances change. but if America wants to keep the next generation on the field and in the arena, it needs to figure out a way to appeal better to kids and parents and resolve the horror issues that collect around certain sports.

I mentioned in an earlier post here that participation in high school sports has increased in numbers steadily over the past 30 years. When you state that sports participation has decreased sharply, are you referring to participation for all ages, and, if so, where did you see stats to support that?
If you saw somewhere among all the graphs, etc of the ESPN article something to support your conclusion, I'd appreciate being directed to it.
At any rate, participation is clearly on the rise in high school sports, and really hasn't decreased that much for both boys and girls basketball.
 

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I mentioned in an earlier post here that participation in high school sports has increased in numbers steadily over the past 30 years. When you state that sports participation has decreased sharply, are you referring to participation for all ages, and, if so, where did you see stats to support that?
If you saw somewhere among all the graphs, etc of the ESPN article something to support your conclusion, I'd appreciate being directed to it.
At any rate, participation is clearly on the rise in high school sports, and really hasn't decreased that much for both boys and girls basketball.
I was going off an article printed in 2014 in the Wall Street Journal that noted:

Combined participation in the four most-popular U.S. team sports—basketball, soccer, baseball and football—fell among boys and girls aged 6 through 17 by roughly 4% from 2008 to 2012, according to an examination of data from youth leagues, school-sports groups and industry associations.

Though there was varying types of trends and data, participation in sports at the lower levels was cited as in decline for many major sports. Maybe lacrosse and water polo can fill the void, but probably not. The article certainly bears out what I'm seeing locally, though perhaps in your area they are turning out in masses. I guess it varies from place to place.
 
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I just want to expand a little on what Pinot alluded to on the plethora of sports offerings leeching off each other, using my own mostly softball experience from high school.

We had one girl, who would have eventually started varsity, leave to play tennis because that's what her best friend played. Said best friend missed (or nearly missed) a tennis season due to an ACL tear suffered during volleyball season.
One girl who could start at two different positions, including pitching, skipped a softball season entirely to focus on basketball. Returned the next year partly because she realized she wasn't D1 basketball talent.
I played volleyball partly because it was only five days a week, so I still had time for fall softball on weekends. Every year, I had a friend ask me to go out for winter indoor track for shot put and javelin. Every I told her, basically, "Sorry, it sounds interesting, but January is when I sleep." I refused to be a three-sport athlete because I also had a demanding academic schedule.
 
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I was going off an article printed in 2014 in the Wall Street Journal that noted:

Combined participation in the four most-popular U.S. team sports—basketball, soccer, baseball and football—fell among boys and girls aged 6 through 17 by roughly 4% from 2008 to 2012, according to an examination of data from youth leagues, school-sports groups and industry associations.

Though there was varying types of trends and data, participation in sports at the lower levels was cited as in decline for many major sports. Maybe lacrosse and water polo can fill the void, but probably not. The article certainly bears out what I'm seeing locally, though perhaps in your area they are turning out in masses. I guess it varies from place to place.
In my local area hockey, football, swimming, gymnastics, basketball and baseball seem to be very popular among the 6-12 year-olds. It appears, though, that these sports are struggling at times to get the needed numbers for the high school teams.The "major" sports may very well be in decline nationally, as you state from the WSJ article. But, again, my original comments had to do with just high school students, and, contrary to what some are saying here, there is more participation going on in athletics than ever before. Got to be because schools are offering sports like bowling, indoor track, ice hockey, riflery, skiing(big in our area), badminton, and the list goes on and on. I taught at one of the smaller high schools in Connecticut, and back in the 80's we offered 9 sports to boys and girls. Today there are 17 sports offered. To me it's a healthy trend, and very exciting to see, especially the increased numbers of girls participating. And for high school students being introduced to sports that they can play at throughout their lives.
 

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Yeah, the overall participation at high schools in all sports may be up (the data is hard to sort out) because a greater selection of sports may pull in a greater number of students with diverse interests with more chances to make big contributions instead of being the 20th girl on the soccer bench.

But at a number of small schools like mine in NY, some teams become less competitive as the number of athletes is stretched maybe a little too far, and then coaches can have a tough time filling out rosters for poor teams. Also there is the sociability factor, and I saw a number of girls who were friends from my daughter's class divide up into four or five sports and with a result that many soon dropped out because they just weren't having fun on small poor teams. It's a complex situation, and school size is definitely a factor.
 
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