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prankster said:
No excuses!

There is time to get a smart phone between now and then....
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I will send you the pictures from section 106 Prankster. Sorry I have 2 smart phones. The Samsung Galaxy 4 and Note 2. Any more questions my man ?
 
HuskyHawk said:
That's fine, except he's entitled. But the reality is that anybody who watched much hoop this year could only draw one conclusion, the level of parity is extreme. Florida played in a weak league too, so nobody knows what they really are. Unfortunately, once the seeds come out, people forget that the top 20+ teams this year are all able to beat each other on a given night. All of them (except UConn beating Louisville...it seems Satan has a hand in that). So losses by Nova, Cuse, Duke and WSU mean nothing. And if we didn't have a very narrow escape against St. Joes UConn could have been home at 0-1. It wouldn't mean UConn sucks or was overrated.
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Today's loss to Kentucky doesn't mean Wichita State sucks, but it was a chance to build a very suspect resume. They were ranked #2 not because of who they beat, but simply because they didn't lose. I think rankings should be earned with good victories, not the default when you don't have any bad losses.
 
ChrisSmith said:
Today's loss to Kentucky doesn't mean Wichita State sucks, but it was a chance to build a very suspect resume. They were ranked #2 not because of who they beat, but simply because they didn't lose. I think rankings should be earned with good victories, not the default when you don't have any bad losses.
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So where would you have ranked them? How many losses does a team have to rack up before you'd rank Wichita State ahead of them?
 
HuskyHawk said:
That's fine, except he's entitled. But the reality is that anybody who watched much hoop this year could only draw one conclusion, the level of parity is extreme. Florida played in a weak league too, so nobody knows what they really are. Unfortunately, once the seeds come out, people forget that the top 20+ teams this year are all able to beat each other on a given night. All of them (except UConn beating Louisville...it seems Satan has a hand in that). So losses by Nova, Cuse, Duke and WSU mean nothing. And if we didn't have a very narrow escape against St. Joes UConn could have been home at 0-1. It wouldn't mean UConn sucks or was overrated.
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Fair enough, except the allegedly weak SEC is 6-0 so far this tournament with Tennessee playing later. I agree that the parity is huge this year and it's ignorance to label a team overrated based on one loss. On the other hand, WSU's one seed was based solely on the fact that they hadn't lost a game - they had a terrible RPI and no really good wins. I'm thrilled with our seed now and I love our path to Texas but at the time the brackets were released it was tough to swallow a 7 seed with the committee ostensibly looking at strength of schedule, strength of the league the team was from, non conference games, etc and UConn gets punished for their resume while Wichita St. got their 1 seed solely on the back of going undefeated against less than stellar opponents. I don't think they were overrated at all but I almost understand where OP is coming from (maybe).
 
william shea said:
I will send you the pictures from section 106 Prankster. Sorry I have 2 smart phones. The Samsung Galaxy 4 and Note 2. Any more questions my man ?
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I am not asking questions....

I am asking a favor.

There was strong MOJO in your post... That will certainly be needed again.

You have to be able to post on the Boneyard from that thing.....
 
PAHusky said:
Fair enough, except the allegedly weak SEC is 6-0 so far this tournament with Tennessee playing later. I agree that the parity is huge this year and it's ignorance to label a team overrated based on one loss. On the other hand, WSU's one seed was based solely on the fact that they hadn't lost a game - they had a terrible RPI and no really good wins. I'm thrilled with our seed now and I love our path to Texas but at the time the brackets were released it was tough to swallow a 7 seed with the committee ostensibly looking at strength of schedule, strength of the league the team was from, non conference games, etc and UConn gets punished for their resume while Wichita St. got their 1 seed solely on the back of going undefeated against less than stellar opponents. I don't think they were overrated at all but I almost understand where OP is coming from (maybe).
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True, but they only got 3 teams. That means 11 of their teams aren't good.

If Memphis were to win today, the AAC would be 6-1. That doesn't mean they're better than the B1G or some of the other conferences.
 
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tzznandrew said:
So where would you have ranked them? How many losses does a team have to rack up before you'd rank Wichita State ahead of them?
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In the 5-10 range. Behind Arizona, Michigan, Virginia, to name a few.

Again, its not just about the number of wins and losses - its the quality. Look at UConn's losses - Stanford (sweet 16), Louisville x3, SMU - those are all good teams. SMU would probably be the second best team Wichita State would have played during the regular season, had they played. Look at the UConn wins - Memphis x3, Cincy x2, Florida, IU, Nova, St. Joes, Harvard, Washington, Maryland. A couple of those out of conference schools aren't that impressive, but aren't that far off from Tennessee.
 
PAHusky said:
Fair enough, except the allegedly weak SEC is 6-0 so far this tournament with Tennessee playing later. I agree that the parity is huge this year and it's ignorance to label a team overrated based on one loss. On the other hand, WSU's one seed was based solely on the fact that they hadn't lost a game - they had a terrible RPI and no really good wins. I'm thrilled with our seed now and I love our path to Texas but at the time the brackets were released it was tough to swallow a 7 seed with the committee ostensibly looking at strength of schedule, strength of the league the team was from, non conference games, etc and UConn gets punished for their resume while Wichita St. got their 1 seed solely on the back of going undefeated against less than stellar opponents. I don't think they were overrated at all but I almost understand where OP is coming from (maybe).
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They were 4th in the RPI
 
Husky999 said:
Duke
Syracuse
Villanova
Wichita St


Personally I feel it's Wichita. Had no doubt they would lose to the first decent team they played.
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You are so very very wrong. Wichita State is an elite team. Nova doesn't suck. Among the teams you listed it is obviously Syracuse. They're OOC schedule was a joke (again). They were squeaking by mediocre teams during their 25-0 run and who can forget their loss to BC in Syracuse. They should have been a 12 seed. The fact they received a 3 seed when Louisville got a 4 is a travesty. Syracuse sucked this year on a level of suck comparable to the NCAA tournament committee. Syracuse was the most overrated in the entire bunch of pretenders in the entire NCAA!
 
Husky999 said:
Duke
Syracuse
Villanova
Wichita St


Personally I feel it's Wichita. Had no doubt they would lose to the first decent team they played.
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Syracuse had been in a tailspin for weeks. They got lucky a lot on their way to 25-0 and their level of play and level of luck both dropped precipitously. I didn't see them winning more than 2 games. I certainly wasn't surprised to see them win only 1.

Duke was consistently inconsistent. That was hardly a huge surprise.

Nova won a lot of games in a mediocre conference.

And WSU got a bad draw.

You must have watched a lot of Shockers games to have "no doubt" they'd lose to any decent team.

I'm not sure what the question is, but the answer isn't Wichita State. I guess it's Duke, since they didn't make it to the weekend.
 
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ColoradoUCFan said:
You are so very very wrong. Wichita State is an elite team. Nova doesn't suck. Among the teams you listed it is obviously Syracuse. They're OOC schedule was a joke (again). They were squeaking by mediocre teams during their 25-0 run and who can forget their loss to BC in Syracuse. They should have been a 12 seed. The fact they received a 3 seed when Louisville got a 4 is a travesty. Syracuse sucked this year on a level of suck comparable to the NCAA tournament committee. Syracuse was the most overrated in the entire bunch of pretenders in the entire NCAA!
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I thik this is most likely, as it seems the entire ACC was overrated, with the exception of Virginia, who I think is legit.

As for those who want Wichita State to play tougher teams, who would play them? I have little doubt that they tried and that the teams in the P5 were afraid of a non confernece loss to a non P5 opponent.
 
Wichita State definitely passed the eye test. Legit team, certainly not over-rated. Syracuse and Duke were a disaster. Syracuse was good early in the season, lousy at the end. Because of it's insistence on using the RPI as a bible, the Committee really didn't look at who was playing well at the end of the season which lead to a lousy job of seeding. UMass was the poster child of being over-seeded.
 
On the original question, I say Syracuse for 3 reasons:
1. They $uck.
2. This was a typical gag job from them.
3. They made up t-shirts proclaining their greatness. Then proceeded to lose to Boston College!
 
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ChrisSmith said:
I don't get why people respond so viscously. You may not agree with the poster. Fine. But it's not crazy to suggest that Wichita State was overrated - they didn't play anybody. Personally I think Louisville or Michigan were more deserving of that 1 seed.

Respond with logic, not insults.
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Logic try being undefeated. Not their fault their conference foes can't recruit big time. They played who was on their schedule and never lost. They went toe to toe with one of the most talented teams and lost by 1 possession.

7th best offensive team and 13th best defensive team. Louisville is the only other team in the country ranked top 15 in both.

They beat 4tournament teams during the year. Saint Louis, BYU, Tulsa, Tennessee... Tennessee is ranked #6 by kenpom as of today. You are right they suck and should have never gotten a 1 seed.

Reminds me of people on this board saying UVA was trash back in December just cause they aren't flashy.
 
Husky999 said:
Duke
Syracuse
Villanova
Wichita St


Personally I feel it's Wichita. Had no doubt they would lose to the first decent team they played.
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Wichita State seriously, Kentucky played the perfect game yesterday and most likely would have beaten anyone with the way they played. You came away from that game thinking the Shockers are the most overrated team in the country, is this the first time you've watched basketball?
 
I wonder how the committee would seed the teams now that they've seen where the strength really lies. Doubt they'd have Tennessee playing in Dayton on the first Tuesday. My buddy, who came in second last year in a big bracket pool, has been awesome again this year having, among others, Dayton get to Sweet 16. He loves Tenn and was touting them for quite a while. I thought he was nuts. We'll see.
 
I won't say they're the most overrated team in the country but I will say this (mentioned it in another thread), one of my friends works for CBS sports watching basketball games to take down things like times of highlights and who scored when. He works with around 8 or 9 other people, who have collectively watched every single Wichita St. game this season and I don't believe one of them picked WSU to go beyond the sweet 16 in the tournament. They were definitely overrated, just because people jumped all over the perfect season story when that obviously wouldn't have happened in a better conference, though I don't think that loss justifies calling them overrated.

Really though, it's tough to fairly seed a team like that. On one hand, they did go undefeated so you kind of have to put them as a one seed and a top 5 team. On the other hand, they'd obviously have at least a couple of losses in any of the stronger conferences, seeing as they had some very close calls with some mediocre teams in their own conference.
 
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