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What about Gilbert? His two worst games this year were Iowa and Arizona...
Gilbert had his own thread - why bring him up here?
 

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The whole thing boils down to:
Men vs boys
Cobb is a man and can handle the bigger stronger guys
Carlton, while big in length still has that "I'm not ready for Prime Time" look in his eye and body language when confronting the P5 type of player. That fear disappears when he is facing the smaller teams.
I see an upside to Carlton but he has to come out of his shell and want to mix it up against the bigger talent
 

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Carlton seems to have some innate basketball skills and IQ that will continue to develop and will ultimately show up against top teams.

On the other hand, his limitations seem to have less to do with skill and more to do with physical toughness and athleticism, which isn't something you can teach. Mediocre-ranked recruits like Carlton and Polley usually don't, which is why their upside is limited. We need the Akoks and Cockburns of the world to come here to finally have high-major-caliber bigs again.

This is my gripe. I get that he's a few games into his sophomore season, but his upside is significantly limited with that in mind. You can also add strength as a limitation right now, though that can be improved upon in future years.
 

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I think Carlton is starting to put it all together, but at this point, it's easier to put what he's learned and what he's built into action against smaller players, especially those who aren't as prepared to take his skill level on. The bigger, more seasoned guys are ahead of Carlton physically and developmentally, so it sometimes comes crashing down when he goes to work against them. I'm confident that he'll get there, but in the meantime, I'd also like to see Cobb get more time. At this point, he's a more polished player and has the ability to energize the rest of the team.
 

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Exactly. People are selling Carlton too short, too quick.
As often happens here … Carlton, Polley are both examples of this. You are only as good as your last game, and nobody ever develops beyond what they show first time they step on the court. Cobb is more solid now in many ways, but has poor defensive instincts and is not a shot blocker. Carlton can be a lot more in the future than he is now, even this year, but not if he rides the pine and you lose him.
 

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As often happens here … Carlton, Polley are both examples of this. You are only as good as your last game, and nobody ever develops beyond what they show first time they step on the court. Cobb is more solid now in many ways, but has poor defensive instincts and is not a shot blocker. Carlton can be a lot more in the future than he is now, even this year, but not if he rides the pine and you lose him.

This is sort of the prisoner's dilemma that we're dealing with, summed up in one paragraph.
 
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Different position but I expect Josh to lose minutes to another player who joins the team.
Yeah some have Akok forward a couple others center. I saw one sight that had him as both. Can he play both?
 

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Yeah, I don’t know. I’m impressed with what Cobb has turned himself into, but I still think Carlton’s upside for the next 2+ is quite a bit higher. The minutes will be there for both players, but I’d rarher not see UConn give up on the young post player who’s gonna be here beyond this season.
Yes, a sophomore's potential for future growth is a good point. Maybe Carlton has an upside we haven't seen yet. He just seems so passive and unnatural at times on the block as compared to Cobb who appears to know exactly how to move down low and seems to score naturally. His wide body clears out space nicely. I hope your right and I am sure Hurley will handle Carlton very well through the process - whichever way it leans.
 
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I think we’re looking too hard at a 3 game sample.

Looking at KenPom, as a freshman Carlton our up nearly identical numbers against tier A+B opponents as he did against weaker opponents.

Cobb stepped up in our 3 big games so far, but it’s far too early to start assuming that Carlton can’t do the same.
 
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Yes, a sophomore's potential for future growth is a good point. Maybe Carlton has an upside we haven't seen yet. He just seems so passive and unnatural at times on the block as compared to Cobb who appears to know exactly how to move down low and seems to score naturally. His wide body clears out space nicely. I hope your right and I am sure Hurley will handle Carlton very well through the process - whichever way it leans.
By no means am I 100% confident in Carlton’s development, but it’s worth noting he still hasn’t turned 20.

Cobb, on the other hand, has been 22 for almost 6 months.
 
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Carlson is still a 19 year old kid that right now is overmatched against serious bigs. He has gotten better and stronger as he matures and a some point that intimidation factor will go away. He obviously holds his own against the stronger and more mature Cobb in practice so I suspect confidence has as much to do with as talent.
I would like to see JA at PG and AG at the 2 for 10-15 minutes a game . AG is a better shooter and JA needs to get more engaged. That takes some pressure off AG .
 
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Carlton seems to have some innate basketball skills and IQ that will continue to develop and will ultimately show up against top teams.

On the other hand, his limitations seem to have less to do with skill and more to do with physical toughness and athleticism, which isn't something you can teach. Mediocre-ranked recruits like Carlton and Polley usually don't, which is why their upside is limited. We need the Akoks and Cockburns of the world to come here to finally have high-major-caliber bigs again.
I think this is 100% the problem. He’s not quick or athletic enough to compete against high major recruits. He should have some solid games against AAC competition but I fear this will be a recurring theme vs the better teams.
 

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