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Is there any chance that teams like MEAS and VCU are actually much better than their low early season rankings? They're athletes, they are up for a ranked team. Maybe they don't know they're supposed to lose by 35? And it's also possible we don't deserve our pretty lofty ranked number just yet? Injuries and coasting were definitely factors tonight but every BE team thinks they can beat us even if they are unranked I bet.
 
Is there any chance that teams like MEAS and VCU are actually much better than their low early season rankings? They're athletes, they are up for a ranked team. Maybe they don't know they're supposed to lose by 35? And it's also possible we don't deserve our pretty lofty ranked number just yet? Injuries and coasting were definitely factors tonight but every BE team thinks they can beat us even if they are unranked I bet.
I heard them mention during the game how UMES did not play last season so It’s hard to judge where they should be ranked. As of right now, they are 2-5. Just looking at their schedule, the most lopsided loss was at Temple 72-49, and the other losses vs St Joe’s, Campbell, and Liberty were by 2, 11, and 12 respectively. Not the greatest competition, but It’s not like they haven’t been competitive and getting blown out in all 5 losses. UMES lost to Campbell by 11. Duke played Campbell a couple weeks back and won 67-56. So, maybe UMES isn’t “that” bad…
 
Is there any chance that teams like MEAS and VCU are actually much better than their low early season rankings?

yes. take this team tonite, fer instance. announcer analyst guy, who was superb, by the way, mentioned how whatever the name of this team that we played, only 2 guys, of 12 i think, were even there the last time that they had a normal season. so, ten new guys are a bit hard to handicap, even if they've already played a handful of games. and, when the rules went kablooie last december with the covid transfer, etc rules, it was obvious that the number of experienced players getting new life, or different teams, would dramatically impact this season. plus the effects all around on the weird new team chemistry. don't we have some 8th year seniors, and third year freshmen?
i agree with that smart announcer, we beat a really good auburn team.
 
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UMES’s conference is the worst in D1. Their best team will be a 16 seed probably playing in Dayton so not even a real 16. Even if UMES miraculously wins their conference tournament and becomes that 16 seed, how bad does this look still? You don’t play like this vs 16 seeds. Period.
 
UMES’s conference is the worst in D1. Their best team will be a 16 seed probably playing in Dayton so not even a real 16. Even if UMES miraculously wins their conference tournament and becomes that 16 seed, how bad does this look still? You don’t play like this vs 16 seeds. Period.

Players play like this when there is no consequence for playing like this.
 
I heard them mention during the game how UMES did not play last season so It’s hard to judge where they should be ranked
Because not playing makes you well rested for the next season. If only we had a coach who was genius enough to try that. We might be able to, oh I don’t know, squeeze out a win over Yale?
 
At the end of the day it's just 5 young men putting a ball through a hoop. Anything can happen. This isn't rocket science, amirite?
 
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This is the first time we haven’t slapped a cupcake by 40 this season. It’s people thinking we should do something no other team in the country is doing. Every team is having more trouble than usual with some of these teams. Call me crazy for not being overly concerned. But slapping every cupcake by 40 is not really a realistic expectation anymore….for anyone. Every now and again a cupcake will start banking 3’s in from 28 feet, and hitting turn around contested mid range jumpers and keep a game competitive. It’s ok. Some of you need to put some more respect on Martin’s name by the way. All in all it was a weak, disinterested effort. It doesn’t speak anything to the potential of this team though. And that just my opinion
 
Let's be honest: UMES is not good.

That being said, they're also not 350+ bad. They have a lot of new players and the metrics are penalizing their program and previous play. They almost beat St Joe's on the road and only Temple beat them by more than 12 points in 6 games.

They also played even better than normal tonight and we played worse. It happens.
 
Let's be honest: UMES is not good.

That being said, they're also not 350+ bad. They have a lot of new players and the metrics are penalizing their program and previous play. They almost beat St Joe's on the road and only Temple beat them by more than 12 points in 6 games.

They also played even better than normal tonight and we played worse. It happens.
I think we have to start changing the way we look at who’s “not good” and “good”. On any given night a team can play waaaaay above their heads. It doesn’t mean the more talented team(UConn) is no longer good. It just means the UMES that played in the XL Center tonight is not the same UMES that lost against liberty. They may never play this well again. But the fact of the matter is tonight they didn’t “suck”. Did UConn make some boneheaded mistakes? Yes. But that isn’t why UMES hung around. They were putting tough shots in the basket. Sometimes, just sometimes you pat the other team on the butt, say good game, and move on. If this becomes a trend, I’ll be concerned. But I chalk it up to UMES having one of those nights. You know the saying, “anybody could be beaten on any given night”. Rest up, clean it up, and destroy Grambling St.
 
I think we have to start changing the way we look at who’s “not good” and “good”. On any given night a team can play waaaaay above their heads. It doesn’t mean the more talented team(UConn) is no longer good. It just means the UMES that played in the XL Center tonight is not the same UMES that lost against liberty. They may never play this well again. But the fact of the matter is tonight they didn’t “suck”. Did UConn make some boneheaded mistakes? Yes. But that isn’t why UMES hung around. They were putting tough shots in the basket. Sometimes, just sometimes you pat the other team on the butt, say good game, and move on. If this becomes a trend, I’ll be concerned. But I chalk it up to UMES having one of those nights. You know the saying, “anybody could be beaten on any given night”. Rest up, clean it up, and destroy Grambling St.
The Mensah guy played 2 minutes against Liberty and was 4/5 from 3 with most heavily contested against us.

If we had turned the ball over 10+ times or gave up 10+ offensive rebounds or fouled them 20 times, I'd be concerned. But no, none of that. There were really none of the big warning signs.

The main thing I'd say is that Hurley still hasn't figured out how to defend the 5 guard lineup when we can't rely on shotblocking to bolster our perimeter D. This was exacerbated by missing Martin and not being to kill a smaller lineup on the glass as easily. Our D keys our offense, so if we can't stop teams, we're going to have a tougher time scoring. Thankfully we shot pretty well tonight (except Adama at the line)

That and we need to stop falling for pump fakes.
 
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The Mensah guy played 2 minutes against Liberty and was 4/5 from 3 with most heavily contested against us.

If we had turned the ball over 10+ times or gave up 10+ offensive rebounds or fouled them 20 times, I'd be concerned. But no, none of that. There were really none of the big warning signs.

The main thing I'd say is that Hurley still hasn't figured out how to defend the 5 guard lineup when we can't rely on shotblocking to bolster our perimeter D. Our D keys our offense, so if we can't stop teams,, we're going to have a tougher time scoring. Thankfully we shot pretty well tonight (except Adama at the line)

That and we need to stop falling for pump fakes.
They got us on the same pump fake about 3-4 times. It was infuriating. And you’re right this was like St John’s last year, except St. John’s was obviously more talented. Same issues. I hate the Adama and Whaley starting together period. But I definitely hate it against a 5 out offense. Put Hawkins in the starting 5 and replace Whaley with Martin and we’d be more successful
 
UMES now 6-0 vs the spread. Perhaps they’re a better team than everyone, even the sharps, give them credit for.

Looking forward to making some $$$ off them the rest of the year
They just look like they expect to win, make plays etc. with a high degree of confidence. Maybe their coach inspires that confidence; especially when they follow his game plan and instructions. As previously said by others their 4 guard 5 out picked our defense apart. That's a real cause for concern if we don't adjust. And if we needed an adjustment wouldn't having Akok in there as a quick shot blocker help against that kind of offense?
 
Jackson displayed some of the worst basketball fundamentals I’ve seen outside of 4th grade Saturday AM hoops league last night. Lazy passes and handle and no positioning for rebounds. He’s getting 8 boards a game based on a 45” vertical and 7 foot wingspan but doesn’t get boards right in front of him. Very frustrating
 
Jackson displayed some of the worst basketball fundamentals I’ve seen outside of 4th grade Saturday AM hoops league last night. Lazy passes and handle and no positioning for rebounds. He’s getting 8 boards a game based on a 45” vertical and 7 foot wingspan but doesn’t get boards right in front of him. Very frustrating
AJAX has a lot of work to do
 
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I'm more concerned about the fact that the offense has looked awful for three straight games. We had the excuse about facing very good defenses for the first two, but clearly that wasn't the case last night. I'm sure the defense will get cleaned up, but I'm starting to worry that we may not be a very good offensive team.
 
I'm more concerned about the fact that the offense has looked awful for three straight games. We had the excuse about facing very good defenses for the first two, but clearly that wasn't the case last night. I'm sure the defense will get cleaned up, but I'm starting to worry that we may not be a very good offensive team.
In the last four games in regulation we scored 83, 64, 59,72. The VCU game was ugly. But even in that game we scored 14 points in 5 minutes in overtime. We are still the highest scoring team in the big east by average I believe. The question is, what changed after the Auburn game? Some of it has to be attributed to fatigue, some of it is definitely lack of real time adjustments by Hurley. But the biggest culprit is basketball IQ in my opinion. Outside of Cole(who is a culprit at times as well) we are not a very smart team. Strong, yes. Athletic, yes. Tough, yes. Talented, yes. Smart? Hell no. For example, Sanogo was triple teamed in the post last night with a WIDE OPEN Jordan Hawkins open right in front of him, and didn't make the pass. That's not coaching. That's just a basic routine play that should have been made. This happens constantly with this team. Hurley almost always has these guys amped up, but sometimes they over do it and fail to execute. Example B, Sanogo in the first play of the second half, was defending the post player and had him in prison, but he was being over aggressive and went for the fake. Hurley's teams are always aggressive but lack execution. Hurley in a sense is the same way. The next step in his development is to learn to win with IQ instead of brute force. Or his teams will always have a lower ceiling. All in all, our "offense" isn't the problem. Our problem from the players to Hurley is all in between the ears. And i'm confident we will figure it out.
 
In the last four games in regulation we scored 83, 64, 59,72. The VCU game was ugly. But even in that game we scored 14 points in 5 minutes in overtime. We are still the highest scoring team in the big east by average I believe. The question is, what changed after the Auburn game? Some of it has to be attributed to fatigue, some of it is definitely lack of real time adjustments by Hurley. But the biggest culprit is basketball IQ in my opinion. Outside of Cole(who is a culprit at times as well) we are not a very smart team. Strong, yes. Athletic, yes. Tough, yes. Talented, yes. Smart? Hell no. For example, Sanogo was triple teamed in the post last night with a WIDE OPEN Jordan Hawkins open right in front of him, and didn't make the pass. That's not coaching. That's just a basic routine play that should have been made. This happens constantly with this team. Hurley almost always has these guys amped up, but sometimes they over do it and fail to execute. Example B, Sanogo in the first play of the second half, was defending the post player and had him in prison, but he was being over aggressive and went for the fake. Hurley's teams are always aggressive but lack execution. Hurley in a sense is the same way. The next step in his development is to learn to win with IQ instead of brute force. Or his teams will always have a lower ceiling. All in all, our "offense" isn't the problem. Our problem from the players to Hurley is all in between the ears. And i'm confident we will figure it out.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I'm still concerned that as far as offensive talent goes, this team is lacking. Sanogo obviously has a lot, but is still developing and has to work through the adjustments defenses have made keying on him as 'the guy' on offense. Hawkins has a lot of talent, but is still raw; I expect him to improve as the year goes on and be one of our better scorers. After that? Cole is a good player, but against good defenses he's going to struggle get into the paint and score. Gaffney doesn't have the handle to be much of an offensive threat. Polley is a streaky three-point shooter, but doesn't bring much else to the table. Whaley has little to no offensive game. Martin is pretty good offensively, but his full season 3 point percentages haven't been great and he's out for at least a few weeks. I'm not trying to say the sky is falling, but I see some reasons to be concerned that we're going to struggle offensively this year. Not every game, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are long stretches where we really have a hard time putting the ball in the hoop.
 
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I'm still concerned that as far as offensive talent goes, this team is lacking. Sanogo obviously has a lot, but is still developing and has to work through the adjustments defenses have made keying on him as 'the guy' on offense. Hawkins has a lot of talent, but is still raw; I expect him to improve as the year goes on and be one of our better scorers. After that? Cole is a good player, but against good defenses he's going to struggle get into the paint and score. Gaffney doesn't have the handle to be much of an offensive threat. Polley is a streaky three-point shooter, but doesn't bring much else to the table. Whaley has little to no offensive game. Martin is pretty good offensively, but his full season 3 point percentages haven't been great and he's out for at least a few weeks. I'm not trying to say the sky is falling, but I see some reasons to be concerned that we're going to struggle offensively this year. Not every game, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are long stretches where we really have a hard time putting the ball in the hoop.
I guess I agree. I dont see this being an issue in the coming years with the guys we're recruiting. I think Hurley understands he needs more natural scorers on this team
 
I guess I agree. I dont see this being an issue in the coming years with the guys we're recruiting. I think Hurley understands he needs more natural scorers on this team

I agree with that for sure. I also think Hawkins continuing to improve will help open things up offensively. I'm not as doom and gloom on the team as it sounded above.
 
Is there any chance that teams like MEAS and VCU are actually much better than their low early season rankings? They're athletes, they are up for a ranked team. Maybe they don't know they're supposed to lose by 35? And it's also possible we don't deserve our pretty lofty ranked number just yet? Injuries and coasting were definitely factors tonight but every BE team thinks they can beat us even if they are unranked I bet.
Maybe, but probably not. I wouldn't worry about it.
 
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