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What would be the requirements for UConn to join the Pac-12 for football-only?

1. Football only
2. Full share of FB revenue with a guaranteed minimum in case their media rights deal is not P4 level
3. 7 game conference schedule, so we can play 5 east coast opponents (2-3 P4 and 2-3 buy games)
4. Full access to bowl games, like ND with the ACC
5. No more than 2 MBB games and 2 WBB per year with mutually agreed terms.
6. This is the big one, they pay any exit fees to the Big East and we get to leave without penalty after 5 years.
1. P12 must realize any serious invite has to be football only.
2. Ok
3. It’s no more than 4 or 5 trips west anyway.
4. Most years, the P12 winner will probably be the top rated G5 & most playoff proposals have the top G5 included. That’s a realistic goal that UConn doesn’t have as an independent.
5. BB home & homes with Gonzaga or SDSU would be great.
6. Why would the BE get exit fees if it’s FB only? Definitely low or no exit fees if UConn leaves for P4.
 
1. P12 must realize any serious invite has to be football only.
2. Ok
3. It’s no more than 4 or 5 trips west anyway.
4. Most years, the P12 winner will probably be the top rated G5 & most playoff proposals have the top G5 included. That’s a realistic goal that UConn doesn’t have as an independent.
5. BB home & homes with Gonzaga or SDSU would be great.
6. Why would the BE get exit fees if it’s FB only? Definitely low or no exit fees if UConn leaves for P4.
Yeah. Uconn isnt leaving the big east without a p4 move and the big east is stupid to raise a stink if they do
 
1. Football only
2. Full share of FB revenue with a guaranteed minimum in case their media rights deal is not P4 level
3. 7 game conference schedule, so we can play 5 east coast opponents (2-3 P4 and 2-3 buy games)
4. Full access to bowl games, like ND with the ACC
5. No more than 2 MBB games and 2 WBB per year with mutually agreed terms.
6. This is the big one, they pay any exit fees to the Big East and we get to leave without penalty after 5 years.
There would be no BE exit fees for football. The big one for me is no exit penalty.
 
the haters with power (commish's and univ ADs/presidents) will likely say that in their view we haven't begun to turn any corner yet.
I don't think they would, and frankly, I don't even think that's the analysis. The commentary from A.D.s in the big 12 was, essentially, since you are not in the P4, you are not worthy of being in the P4. That's a tough mountain to climb, particularly since you can find data to back it up.

First off, you can say our revenue is well behind a P4 team and you'd be right. Of course, if we had the same media revenue and CFP money that P4 teams get, we'd be significantly above the median revenue in the P4.

You can also say that are ratings numbers for football are well below the average P4 numbers and again, you'd be right. But if you put our games on a more visible platform, our ratings would be stronger.

You can also know the huge amount of institutional support that the university has to invest in football to keep it viable. It is a big number, but, again, if we had P4 media revenue and a CFP share, that number drops 40 million, minimally.

How do we overcome that? I'm not sure if we can. Continued basketball success, of course, significantly helps, but probably the best thing we can do is schedule and comfortably defeat P4 teams.

I don't have a lot of hope that we can get into a P4 conference. It is very hard to overcome the argument that if "you're not in the club, you don't deserve to be in the club"
 
1. Football only
2. Full share of FB revenue with a guaranteed minimum in case their media rights deal is not P4 level
3. 7 game conference schedule, so we can play 5 east coast opponents (2-3 P4 and 2-3 buy games)
4. Full access to bowl games, like ND with the ACC
5. No more than 2 MBB games and 2 WBB per year with mutually agreed terms.
6. This is the big one, they pay any exit fees to the Big East and we get to leave without penalty after 5 years.
We're not a football member of the Big East, so there wouldn't be any exit penalty. Change number six to we can leave at any time, and I'm with you. It's a good list.
 
I don't think they would, and frankly, I don't even think that's the analysis. The commentary from A.D.s in the big 12 was, essentially, since you are not in the P4, you are not worthy of being in the P4. That's a tough mountain to climb, particularly since you can find data to back it up.

First off, you can say our revenue is well behind a P4 team and you'd be right. Of course, if we had the same media revenue and CFP money that P4 teams get, we'd be significantly above the median revenue in the P4.

You can also say that are ratings numbers for football are well below the average P4 numbers and again, you'd be right. But if you put our games on a more visible platform, our ratings would be stronger.

You can also know the huge amount of institutional support that the university has to invest in football to keep it viable. It is a big number, but, again, if we had P4 media revenue and a CFP share, that number drops 40 million, minimally.

How do we overcome that? I'm not sure if we can. Continued basketball success, of course, significantly helps, but probably the best thing we can do is schedule and comfortably defeat P4 teams.

I don't have a lot of hope that we can get into a P4 conference. It is very hard to overcome the argument that if "you're not in the club, you don't deserve to be in the club"
I'm not disagreeing with you. However, this line of thinking is even more frustrating because we used to be in the club. It's like everyone just forgets that we were already in a power football conference and that we performed quite well in that conference. That said, recency bias is huge and lately we haven't been in any conference and we haven't been any good. Out of sight out of mind as they say. The further we get from our power conference days, the harder it likely will be to get back there. If we're going to turn a corner and start taking out some real football teams, the time is now. Dump whatever we can into that goal or else it's too late. Hopefully the B12 will come around on us. That seems like our best chance. Or the P12 as a layover isn't horrible. At least if we can have a decent record there. At least people might remember that we exist.
 
I'm not disagreeing with you. However, this line of thinking is even more frustrating because we used to be in the club. It's like everyone just forgets that we were already in a power football conference and that we performed quite well in that conference. That said, recency bias is huge and lately we haven't been in any conference and we haven't been any good. Out of sight out of mind as they say. The further we get from our power conference days, the harder it likely will be to get back there. If we're going to turn a corner and start taking out some real football teams, the time is now. Dump whatever we can into that goal or else it's too late. Hopefully the B12 will come around on us. That seems like our best chance. Or the P12 as a layover isn't horrible. At least if we can have a decent record there. At least people might remember that we exist.
feels like uconn and USF were the oregon state and washington state, of the old big east. the bulls are still fighting to get back to primetime, too. so from that lens, it may be that we were lucky to be in a P_ football conference back in the day, but it wasn't about us. people wanted to see WVU and the like.

i'm not saying i'm right, just wondering.
 
I'm not disagreeing with you. However, this line of thinking is even more frustrating because we used to be in the club. It's like everyone just forgets that we were already in a power football conference and that we performed quite well in that conference. That said, recency bias is huge and lately we haven't been in any conference and we haven't been any good. Out of sight out of mind as they say. The further we get from our power conference days, the harder it likely will be to get back there. If we're going to turn a corner and start taking out some real football teams, the time is now. Dump whatever we can into that goal or else it's too late. Hopefully the B12 will come around on us. That seems like our best chance. Or the P12 as a layover isn't horrible. At least if we can have a decent record there. At least people might remember that we exist.

feels like uconn and USF were the oregon state and washington state, of the old big east. the bulls are still fighting to get back to primetime, too. so from that lens, it may be that we were lucky to be in a P_ football conference back in the day, but it wasn't about us. people wanted to see WVU and the like.

i'm not saying i'm right, just wondering.

There is a bit of a caveat that needs to be added:

Many (both at the time inside power conferences and on the outside looking in) greatly resented the fact that we didn't throw our hat in the ring (so to speak) to commit to (then) D-1A football until 1998, didn't begin our transition until 2000, weren't fully a D-1A until 2003 yet were in a (then) BCS conference in 2004. Quite a few schools and quite a few pundits believed we were handed a gift we didn't deserve.
 
There is a bit of a caveat that needs to be added:

Many (both at the time inside power conferences and on the outside looking in) greatly resented the fact that we didn't throw our hat in the ring (so to speak) to commit to (then) D-1A football until 1998, didn't begin our transition until 2000, weren't fully a D-1A until 2003 yet were in a (then) BCS conference in 2004. Quite a few schools and quite a few pundits believed we were handed a gift we didn't deserve.
If UConn was handed a gift, then how do you explain UCF, Houston, and Cinci in the Big 12 and SMU in the ACC? Fact is lackadaisical action by UConn administration when it mattered, the hubris of Suzie and Warde, the anti UConn bias of tax enabled ESPN and Ct lawmakers all have a hand in the demise of UConn from power conference status.
 
I don't think they would, and frankly, I don't even think that's the analysis. The commentary from A.D.s in the big 12 was, essentially, since you are not in the P4, you are not worthy of being in the P4. That's a tough mountain to climb, particularly since you can find data to back it up.

First off, you can say our revenue is well behind a P4 team and you'd be right. Of course, if we had the same media revenue and CFP money that P4 teams get, we'd be significantly above the median revenue in the P4.

You can also say that are ratings numbers for football are well below the average P4 numbers and again, you'd be right. But if you put our games on a more visible platform, our ratings would be stronger.

You can also know the huge amount of institutional support that the university has to invest in football to keep it viable. It is a big number, but, again, if we had P4 media revenue and a CFP share, that number drops 40 million, minimally.

How do we overcome that? I'm not sure if we can. Continued basketball success, of course, significantly helps, but probably the best thing we can do is schedule and comfortably defeat P4 teams.

I don't have a lot of hope that we can get into a P4 conference. It is very hard to overcome the argument that if "you're not in the club, you don't deserve to be in the club"
And yet, they took a few AAC teams (non-P4) to fill out their league. Just hypocritical?
 
And yet, they took a few AAC teams (non-P4) to fill out their league. Just hypocritical?
Yeah, but remember at the time they were losing members and needed to backfill.
 
If UConn was handed a gift, then how do you explain UCF, Houston, and Cinci in the Big 12 and SMU in the ACC? Fact is lackadaisical action by UConn administration when it mattered, the hubris of Suzie and Warde, the anti UConn bias of tax enabled ESPN and Ct lawmakers all have a hand in the demise of UConn from power conference status.
Reading is fundamental, comprehension is the gift.
 
FYI Pete Thamel’s “sources” are talking about a Memphis PAC12/Big East move.
 
feels like uconn and USF were the oregon state and washington state, of the old big east. the bulls are still fighting to get back to primetime, too. so from that lens, it may be that we were lucky to be in a P_ football conference back in the day, but it wasn't about us. people wanted to see WVU and the like.

i'm not saying i'm right, just wondering.
From the outside looking in, there's an element of truth to your last statement. UConn wasn't the draw of the old Big East, and whether right or wrong, fair or not, the perception of your BCS bid season outside of Connecticut isn't good. The perception, and again I'm not saying it's right or fair, is that UConn backed into that BCS game because of a down conference. If I recall correctly, you guys tied for the Big East championship that year with Cincinnati? UConn got little to no respect, and even getting in the the bowl game threw into question the Big East's status as a BCS League.

Personally, and I've not been bashful about my dislike of UConn in the past, I don't think you guys get the credit you deserve. UConn won the games in front of them that year to put themselves in position, and I think anyone coming out of the Big East that season was destined to get boat raced by the opposing team. I'm not really sure what more anyone could've asked for from you guys.

After that, you guys had a string of, frankly speaking, comically bad coaching hires that did little favor to your image in football which is coupled with the perception that you emphasized basketball over football by going to the Big East and Independent in football.
 
Not saying either side is all that interested in this happening, but it seems like it would be pretty easy to put together if they did. UConn becomes a football only member. They are paid a portion of revenue commensurate with the value of football to the conference TV deal. In return UConn gives the PAC a handful of M/W Basketball Games OOC every year. Maybe something like 4 and 4 until they cycle through all teams. Starting the year with 8 football games already scheduled, would be a huge burden off the shoulders of the AD. It's not like UConn hasn't already played on the road at places like Wyoming, Boise, and Fresno in the past. It would still give the team an opportunity to schedule an FCS School, UMass, and two potential games against "local" G5 & P5 Schools.
 
I personally believe that Memphis would love to move their football program to what they could sell as a stronger conference and I believe they would crawl over broken glass to get the bulk of their other sports (primarily men's basketball) in the BE.

I'm not really sure that the BE would have any interest in adding them and I believe the source of this is merely someone trying to wish it into existence.
 
The door was open for UConn last Fall. UConn passed. Maybe the Pac 12 getting a media contract with real numbers could change things.
This ^^^^ everyone has a number, alot of interested parties (especially Memphis, UNLV or maybe even DB) should know soon which might change the thinking. In the mean time..... for Uconn FB..... #winning

 
I personally want nothing to do with moving FB to the Pac as other than the Pac brand, which is tarnished forever, it is a glorified G5 conference that is so far flung from CT. I'd much rather stay independent in football for now and keep pushing ourselves for acceptance to either the ACC, revamped ACC, or Big12. Being able to schedule as we have in past seasons and as our known future opponents lay out (heavy on ACC and regional opponents) is more attractive than the makeup of the Pac. And, if we decided to go to the Pac soon it would create additional unlikelihood of getting into the ACC (rebuilt or otherwise) or Big12.
 
I personally want nothing to do with moving FB to the Pac as other than the Pac brand, which is tarnished forever, it is a glorified G5 conference that is so far flung from CT. I'd much rather stay independent in football for now and keep pushing ourselves for acceptance to either the ACC, revamped ACC, or Big12. Being able to schedule as we have in past seasons and as our known future opponents lay out (heavy on ACC and regional opponents) is more attractive than the makeup of the Pac. And, if we decided to go to the Pac soon it would create additional unlikelihood of getting into the ACC (rebuilt or otherwise) or Big12.
I hear this argument a lot. And perhaps you are right. I just don’t see how joining the PAC12 FB-only stops us from “pushing” for the B12 or ACC barring an overwhelming exit fee which UConn wouldn’t agree to anyway. We had a very good season this past year but the knock on us is that most of our wins are against bottom dwellers like UMass, Rice, etc. Maybe we wouldn’t be successful in a west coast league due to cultural fit and recruiting - that’s possible too.
 
I personally want nothing to do with moving FB to the Pac as other than the Pac brand, which is tarnished forever, it is a glorified G5 conference that is so far flung from CT. I'd much rather stay independent in football for now and keep pushing ourselves for acceptance to either the ACC, revamped ACC, or Big12. Being able to schedule as we have in past seasons and as our known future opponents lay out (heavy on ACC and regional opponents) is more attractive than the makeup of the Pac. And, if we decided to go to the Pac soon it would create additional unlikelihood of getting into the ACC (rebuilt or otherwise) or Big12.
I don't think there is any way to really know whether it would hurt or help your chances of joining a revamped ACC. It's not like UConn is moving the campus to the West Coast, so there will always be a fit between UConn and The ACC should they need replacements. If UConn were to hold their own in an upper G5 Conference I believe it would demonstrate their viability far more than playing a random assortment of Rice, FIU, and Georgia Southern. Boise, OSU, WSU, FSU is solid competition. Win that league and your program health will look pretty strong.
 
I personally want nothing to do with moving FB to the Pac as other than the Pac brand, which is tarnished forever, it is a glorified G5 conference that is so far flung from CT. I'd much rather stay independent in football for now and keep pushing ourselves for acceptance to either the ACC, revamped ACC, or Big12. Being able to schedule as we have in past seasons and as our known future opponents lay out (heavy on ACC and regional opponents) is more attractive than the makeup of the Pac. And, if we decided to go to the Pac soon it would create additional unlikelihood of getting into the ACC (rebuilt or otherwise) or Big12.
All good points, especially since the new PAC will be no more than a new AAC ( even just for FB). With most of the schools looking to head out to a P-4 at first chance. And how did that work out for Uconn attendance wise, even starting out with 6 AAC schools that are now in the P-4, a bunch that we actual did have rivalries with ? An other thought is if Mora hates the perceived slights to Uconn from officials in the few ACC games a year, what will it be like when these west coast crews get to call the shots in the bulk of the schedule ?
 

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