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11-2 SEC will absolutely get in over an 12-1 non-FSU ACC school.
What will ND do in response to TCU/Baylor Situation
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Is that really all that different for ND than the BCS?
Would an 11-1 ND have made it to the 2012 title game? I doubt it.
So, what is different now? ND knows that it has to go undefeated, same as it ever was.
People are trying to make a bigger deal out of this than it really is.
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Under the current playoff format there may be years that an 11-1 Notre Dame gets in, and there may be years that 11-1 isn't good enough. ND may be at a slight disadvantage since, all other things being equal, 12-1 is better than 11-1. However, as you already pointed out, ND doesn't finish 11-1 very often, so yesterday's playoff announcement is no reason for them to panic.
This is a bigger issue for the Big XII since in any given year there is a reasonable chance that their champ is 11-1.
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Thought the BCS was based on computer ratings and polls.
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If this year's ND team had 1 loss, a controversial away loss at #1 Florida St, and was up against Ohio St, who lost at home to unranked Virginia Tech, even with the B1G Championship to it's name, I think ND gets in and Ohio St is left out based on Strength of Schedule and the football gods know that leaving a 11-1 ND football team out would have far reaching implication, such as a 8 team playoff the following year.
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Does ND have a tougher schedule this year? Most of the team are good but middling (which describes OSU's schedule). The only bonafide top opponent was FSU, but that's a loss. The committee would have to weigh who had the worst loss (OSU to VT) against who had the better wins (OSU over MSU and Wisky). Otherwise, both of the schedules are pretty blah. I also expect that at some point, Nebraska, Penn State and Michigan will pick up.
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What's ironic is the college football playoff was put into place in part because of the whole 3rd best team always deserved a shot thing. What they've done is actually compounded the problem by making a 4 team playoff with 5 power conferences. The power conference champion(or champions) who don't make it are always going to bitch. They should have just made it an 8 team playoff with the 5 conference champions and 3 at larges to begin with.
With Notre Dame's schedule being worse than basically any of the P5 teams they would have to go undefeated to make it. I don't even think a 1 loss Notre Dame team would make a 4 team playoff over a 2 loss SEC, Big 12 or PAC team that won their championship. I still think their game plan will be to stay independent and wait for the expansion. Also, is there any doubt that they will expand? The playoff is going to be wildly successful. I expect a 16 team playoff eventually.
With Notre Dame's schedule being worse than basically any of the P5 teams they would have to go undefeated to make it. I don't even think a 1 loss Notre Dame team would make a 4 team playoff over a 2 loss SEC, Big 12 or PAC team that won their championship. I still think their game plan will be to stay independent and wait for the expansion. Also, is there any doubt that they will expand? The playoff is going to be wildly successful. I expect a 16 team playoff eventually.
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The contention is intentional - the biggest fear of everyone involved is devaluing the regular season (and associated ratings).
They need a system that keeps everyone guessing until the last week of the regular season since that pumps up the TV ratings - 4 spots for 5 conferences delivers this.
They need a system that keeps everyone guessing until the last week of the regular season since that pumps up the TV ratings - 4 spots for 5 conferences delivers this.
I agree, but you can keep that guessing alive by going the basketball route - go to eight games, guarantee that each of the P5 champs gets one slot, guarantee that one G5 team gets a slot, and guarantee that Notre Dame gets one slot with 10 wins or more. Then all of the no. 2s are fighting for two slots (or three if Notre Dame has 9 or fewer wins).
There would still be a bloodbath for those last 2-3 slots.
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Somehow even with 8 slots, I suspect that there will be enough jockeying for position to keep people interested and that's not even considering the competition for seeding.
Agree, except for the ND part No special deals. They'd get in based upon quantity and quality of wins, just like any G5 or they can join a conference.
Agree, except for the ND part No special deals. They'd get in based upon quantity and quality of wins, just like any G5 or they can join a conference.
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A hypothetical question was voted upon on Rock's House at NDNation.com today.
Question: If Texas joined the ACC, would you be in favor of ND joining for football?
I haven't tallied up the votes but "No" seems to be winning big.
http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost....920;d=this
It is not a scientific or all inclusive vote. It does show that significant opposition to a football membership exists among ND fans.
Most of those who voted on that site are alumni and donors to the university. Sure, that site is more "hardcore" about independence than others might be, but those sentiments are not limited to that board.
They understand the potential implications of the playoff committee's actions. They just don't consider those implications worth giving up independence, even if Texas joined the ACC.
Question: If Texas joined the ACC, would you be in favor of ND joining for football?
I haven't tallied up the votes but "No" seems to be winning big.
http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost....920;d=this
It is not a scientific or all inclusive vote. It does show that significant opposition to a football membership exists among ND fans.
Most of those who voted on that site are alumni and donors to the university. Sure, that site is more "hardcore" about independence than others might be, but those sentiments are not limited to that board.
They understand the potential implications of the playoff committee's actions. They just don't consider those implications worth giving up independence, even if Texas joined the ACC.
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No surprise, right ro wrong, ND's Alumni are VERY protctive of their indepdnene status and do not want amything to do with a conference. I saw in several blogs after ND's 'arrangement' with the ACC as that Swarbrick is using this experiment to train/slowly guide ND into a conference (the football playoff has been on the radar for a long time) so that the Alumni had time to get used to the idea. ND went to the ACC because 1) they would allow ND to have a special arrangement, and 2) it's not the B1G. ND will go all in on a conference if the playoffs are not expanded to 8 teams in the near future. If it is expanded to 8 teams, could be another decade before a move happens.
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5 conference champs, plus SEC runner up. So ND will be competing for 2 slots with the 4 other league runner ups. I wonder if g5 gets one seat at the table. Likely not.
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If a G5 team went undefeated and have a few wins over P5 teams, it is possible with 8 playoff slots. That said, there is a trend for P5 teams not to schedule G5 teams and that would be a reason why - effectively block them from playoff consideration.
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