what was wrong with wvu this year?

[Dann]

defense?
correct
what part of the defense?
dbs
what should be done about that to fix it?
fire the coach who is in charge of that position.
done!

what was wrong with uconn this year?
.....



you warde manuel.

 

[UConnJim]

They had big defensive problems, no just dbs. They changed their defensive strategy after the previous DC joined Rich Rodriguez at Arizona this year and they did not have the right personnel. And guess what, they haven't fired the DC.

I don't think the problem is PP as he is a good leader for UConn, but he has to recognize that he has a major offensive problem with GDL. There is no excuse for changing the o-line blocking schemes and there is no excuse for not having recruited multiple RBs last year.

I think PP is going to address the offensive problems this off season, probably after recruiting season.

 

[Husky68]

They had big defensive problems, no just dbs. They changed their defensive strategy after the previous DC joined Rich Rodriguez at Arizona this year and they did not have the right personnel. And guess what, they haven't fired the DC.

I don't think the problem is PP as he is a good leader for UConn, but he has to recognize that he has a major offensive problem with GDL. There is no excuse for changing the o-line blocking schemes and there is no excuse for not having recruited multiple RBs last year.

I think PP is going to address the offensive problems this off season, probably after recruiting season.

I think WM will address the offensive problems at the end of next season.

 

[ZooCougar]

That was just WVU being WVU. They are in a better league now.

defense?
correct
what part of the defense?
dbs
what should be done about that to fix it?
fire the coach who is in charge of that position.
done!

what was wrong with uconn this year?
.....



**** you warde manuel.

 

[noeynox]

That was just WVU being WVU. They are in a better league now.

Agreed. Beating up the likes of UConn and Rutgers is a little different than the full slate of teams that hit back offensively in the big 12 every week.

 

[emshorts]

agree no D. i think after laying 70 on baylor, 48 on texas they started to believe all the hype that they were a lock as conf champs, gonna play for the national championship, geno was the heisman winner then reality hit them big time. i think they r gonna lay the wood to syracuse as payback for last yrs beatdown by the orange

 

[gioff23]

agree no D. i think after laying 70 on baylor, 48 on texas they started to believe all the hype that they were a lock as conf champs, gonna play for the national championship, geno was the heisman winner then reality hit them big time. i think they r gonna lay the wood to syracuse as payback for last yrs beatdown by the orange

... depends on the weather. cold, slick fields are not ideal for fast smurfs

 

[freescooter]

They also had problems when they ran into teams that actually played a minimal level of defense. Both texas Tech and particularly K-State played better defense than the typical B-12 team and when they ran into a tough d they couldn't do much of anything. I think they'll beat Syracuse but it won't be a blow out becasue the Orange can play a little defense. if the weather is cold and miserable, who knows...

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Anyone who thought WVU was going to win the Big 12 after that Baylor game was out of their minds.

 

[Antiobserver]

 

[joey3$trike$]

This is where you can pull out the talent card, WVU is not competing with Texas, Oklahoma on talent, well on D atleast.

 

[UConnDan97]

This is where you can pull out the talent card, WVU is not competing with Texas, Oklahoma on talent, well on D atleast.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Here is the Rivals rating info for their defensive backs:

Travis Bell 3 star, 5.7 RR
Ishmael Banks 3 star, 5.6 RR
Terrell Chestnut 4 star, 5.8 RR
Vance Roberts 4 star, 5.8 RR
Avery Williams 3 star, 5.5 RR
Matt Moro (JUCO, couldn't find Rivals rating)

That doesn't sound to me like a team that can claim that their issues in the secondary are "talent related"...

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Agreed. Beating up the likes of UConn and Rutgers is a little different than the full slate of teams that hit back offensively in the big 12 every week.

Agreed. They are no longer playing in a league that was annually rated no better than 6th out of the major conferences with respect to recruiting. WVU is facing teams that gets top flight talent in volumes equal or greather than the "Neers. Better conference . . . that simple.

 

[UConnDan97]

Agreed. They are no longer playing in a league that was annually rated no better than 6th out of the major conferences with respect to recruiting. WVU is facing teams that gets top flight talent in volumes equal or greather than the "Neers. Better conference . . . that simple.

If it was as simple as that, then someone would have to explain to me how the hell they put up the offensive numbers in the Big12 like they did; numbers that were much better than what they did in the Big East...

 

[TouchdownHusky]

If it was as simple as that, then someone would have to explain to me how the hell they put up the offensive numbers in the Big12 like they did; numbers that were much better than what they did in the Big East...

The Big 12 puts its best athletes (and probably its recruiting focus) on top notch offensive talent. They realize that they are in the entertainment business and "chicks dig the long ball" (like they said in old Glavine/Maddoux commercial). No one wants to see Greco-Roman wresting (ie., Big East football) with little offense to offer.

 

[UConnDan97]

The Big 12 puts its best athletes (and probably its recruiting focus) on top notch offensive talent. They realize that they are in the entertainment business and "chicks dig the long ball" (like they said in old Glavine/Maddoux commercial). No one wants to see Greco-Roman wresting (ie., Big East football) with little offense to offer.

Oh, now I get it! The Big12 only recruits talent on offense. They say, "Screw defense, because who likes that?!?" Gotcha...

EDIT: That statement was so ridiculous that I had to pull out the 2009 recruiting page for Texas for you (their senior class now), a team that allowed WVU to score 49 points, and you can tell me what their defensive talent looks like:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/football/recruiting/commitments/2009/texas-83

 

[joey3$trike$]

I'm not sure I agree with that. Here is the Rivals rating info for their defensive backs:

Travis Bell 3 star, 5.7 RR
Ishmael Banks 3 star, 5.6 RR
Terrell Chestnut 4 star, 5.8 RR
Vance Roberts 4 star, 5.8 RR
Avery Williams 3 star, 5.5 RR
Matt Moro (JUCO, couldn't find Rivals rating)

That doesn't sound to me like a team that can claim that their issues in the secondary are "talent related"...

How bout the d-line and Lb's, the talent level between B12 teams and Big East is a whole different level, which I think we would agree with. Also they have different styles of offense which leads to more points/playmakers. Even though they have talented players across the board, I don't think it matches up against the offensive minded teams they play against. I don't see any all-americans on their defensive side of the ball.

 

[UConnDan97]

How bout the d-line and Lb's, the talent level between B12 teams and Big East is a whole different level, which I think we would agree with. Also they have different styles of offense which leads to more points/playmakers. Even though they have talented players across the board, I don't think it matches up against the offensive minded teams they play against. I don't see any all-americans on their defensive side of the ball.

If you want me to talk about their d-line and Lb's, I'd point you to the fact that WVU was ranked 41st against the run:

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/ncaaf/stats/team-rushing-defense

They get 4-star players like Bruce Irvin, etc., there too. And as for the Big12 having so much better talent than the Big East, you would still need to answer the question I posed to TDH: why is it that WVU's offense was able to put up un-Godly numbers against the Big12 that they weren't able to put up against the Big East?

For me, this is a classic case of the WVU team having a horrible defensive strategy, not a horrible defense talent level. Their talent level is fine. And they've addressed the coaching deficiency by firing their DB coach (although I would have some serious questions for the DC as well if I were Holgorsen)...

 

[tduconn]

According to my long term friend, a WVU graduate, their problem on defense was not a lack of talent, it was a lack of experienced talent. A lot of the players on defense were new.

Yes....its a much tougher league than BE. But if he's a representative of passionate WVU fans, they feel good going foward. They knew this year defense could be an issue, and it was.

They wouldn't mind having Don Brown......not that they are looking to can their current DC.

Thank God Temple replaced them this year, .......I'm afraid they'd make BE teams look silly.

 

[UConnDan97]

According to my long term friend, a WVU graduate, their problem on defense was not a lack of talent, it was a lack of experienced talent. A lot of the players on defense were new.

Yes....its a much tougher league than BE. But if he's a representative of passionate WVU fans, they feel good going foward. They knew this year defense could be an issue, and it was.

They wouldn't mind having Don Brown......not that they are looking to can their current DC.

Thank God Temple replaced them this year, .......I'm afraid they'd make BE teams look silly.

Of the six DB's that I've already listed in this thread, I made sure not to list any freshman. Two players were second year players, one was a JUCO transfer, and the other three were upper classmen. I'm not sure how much more experienced WVU wants their DB's to be realistically. Not everyone gets to have the luxury we had of having two senior starters and a junior backup like UConn had....

 

[TouchdownHusky]

How good would the 2012 UConn team have been with its defense (Sio & Company) and just about any of 7 or 8 of the Big 12 offenses? 8-4? 9-3? 10-2 (my prediction)?

 

[uconndogs]

We would have won 8 games this season with an average running game. That would have kept the defense off the field a bit more in the second half of games. Instead, we ran wildcat and a pro offense with zone blocking schemes ramming a 160 LB running back into brick walls. Of course we have the whole trick play thing with Whitmer getting the ball as a WR - my particular favorite.

Idiots..........

 

[UConnDan97]

How good would the 2012 UConn team have been with its defense (Sio & Company) and just about any of 7 or 8 of the Big 12 offenses? 8-4? 9-3? 10-2 (my prediction)?

If we had our defense and the WVU offense, we would have been 12-0 (13-0 with the bowl game). I honestly believe that...

 

[mrhandyman]

Maybe this would help the WV defense. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...kills-black-bear-musket-205315241--ncaaf.html

 

[TouchdownHusky]

If we had our defense and the WVU offense, we would have been 12-0 (13-0 with the bowl game). I honestly believe that...

Now don't get carried away with the 13-0 stuff, but on this we agree - UConn would have been a very strong (Top 10?) team.