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JMick said:
UConn football was "new" back then, though. Now everyone just thinks UConn football sucks.
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I don't buy it. Connecticut fans aren't showing up for a losing team that plays boring football. That formula doesn't work anywhere these days. My wife and kids loved the Cincy game and they aren't even UConn fans really (they like them because I do), let alone football fans. It's just a great venue with good tailgating, good beer and food, a good band and a decent DJ. It isn't a hard sell with several million people nearby. However, a silent stadium and almost no points scored puts a damper on things. They'll be back when the points come back.
 
Hoophound said:
UConn should be able to dominate the American with its brand recognition.
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Sooner or later this fanbase will learn that no matter the sport, brand recognition doesn't win a single game, much less "dominate" a conference.

Coaches and players win games and dominate conferences. Look at Texas football. Coaches and players win, not brand.
 
Hoophound said:
I don't buy it. Connecticut fans aren't showing up for a losing team that plays boring football. That formula doesn't work anywhere these days. My wife and kids loved the Cincy game and they aren't even UConn fans really (they like them because I do), let alone football fans. It's just a great venue with good tailgating, good beer and food, a good band and a decent DJ. It isn't a hard sell with several million people nearby. However, a silent stadium and almost no points scored puts a damper on things. They'll be back when the points come back.
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I'll agree to disagree. I think it'd take multiple years of 8 win seasons just based off my fellow alumni friends, coworkers, and other friends from the state.

Put it this way, out of all the people I met at UConn, I'm the only one that follows UConn football. That's out of fifty or sixty people that I am friends with or run into occasionally.
 
JMick said:
I'll agree to disagree. I think it'd take multiple years of 8 win seasons just based off my fellow alumni friends, coworkers, and other friends from the state.

Put it this way, out of all the people I met at UConn, I'm the only one that follows UConn football. That's out of fifty or sixty people that I am friends with or run into occasionally.
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Yeah anyone who thinks the crowds are coming back fast is crazy. It's going to take a long time to being people back. The entire state other than us has moved on.
 
whaler11 said:
Yeah anyone who thinks the crowds are coming back fast is crazy. It's going to take a long time to being people back. The entire state other than us has moved on.
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I was able to convert two friends that went to another state school to UConn fans, but it was like pulling teeth. Getting people to the tailgate is the first step. Getting them in the door is the second. After that it's up to the team to pull them in. I did my part... the program has not.

After watching the Villanova and Navy games last season they haven't wanted to go to another game lol
 
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You guys are being really pessimistic. They'll be back if winning is back. There are tons of people tailgating at the games that don't go in. They'll go in if there is something worth seeing. I've been to games at other schools that traditionally have bad attendance. They have like 1000 people tailgating. We have droves.
 
JMick said:
I was able to convert two friends that went to another state school to UConn fans, but it was like pulling teeth. Getting people to the tailgate is the first step. Getting them in the door is the second. After that it's up to the team to pull them in. I did my part... the program has not.

After watching the Villanova and Navy games last season they haven't wanted to go to another game lol
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I used to spend a ton of energy trying to get people to go to the games, put together a big group
of season ticket holders, organize tailgates.

Gave up. Now I just go with my wife and daughter and if they have something better to do I can usually find one other person who will go.
 
whaler11 said:
I used to spend a ton of energy trying to get people to go to the games, put together a big group
of season ticket holders, organize tailgates.

Gave up. Now I just go with my wife and daughter and if they have something better to do I can usually find one other person who will go.
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Yeah I haven't been to a game since because literally no one else I know wants to go with me. I can even get free tickets and people won't take them
 
WingU-Conn said:
Sooner or later this fanbase will learn that no matter the sport, brand recognition doesn't win a single game, much less "dominate" a conference.

Coaches and players win games and dominate conferences. Look at Texas football. Coaches and players win, not brand.
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It's the coach. From there, brand and facilities will help a lot. So will the fan base. Connecticut will show up for a winner and kids want to see fans in the seats. These kids also want to play at schools people know. People know UConn. That's a huge edge to have over schools that don't have a big name in any sport. The facilities are big too. We have way better facilities than many P5 schools. If you bring in a coach like Rhule, we'll do big things and capitalize quickly. You act as if an entertaining and winning team won't sell tickets, it will. We were selling a decent amount of tickets 6 weeks ago.


The brand and fan base are a big bonus. We need a coach to win in order to capitalize. I said nothing about the brand winning us anything. I said that the brand would make a big difference once we are winning. It will.
 
Hoophound said:
It's the coach. From there, brand and facilities will help a lot. So will the fan base. Connecticut will show up for a winner and kids want to see fans in the seats. These kids also want to play at schools people know. People know UConn. That's a huge edge to have over schools that don't have a big name in any sport. The facilities are big too. We have way better facilities than many P5 schools. If you bring in a coach like Rhule, we'll do big things and capitalize quickly. You act as if an entertaining and winning team won't sell tickets, it will. We were selling a decent amount of tickets 6 weeks ago.


The brand and fan base are a big bonus. We need a coach to win in order to capitalize. I said nothing about the brand winning us anything. I said that the brand would make a big difference once we are winning. It will.
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Eh by that logic Duke and Kentucky should have great football teams.
 
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JMick said:
eh they're better than us, have been playing well with good coaches.
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Yeah right this second. It's also the best they have ever been in years.

It's not like the Kentucky brand is now going to let them build on 6-6 or 7-5.
 
whaler11 said:
Yeah right this second. It's also the best they have ever been in years.

It's not like the Kentucky brand is now going to let them build on 6-6 or 7-5.
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No I know, but the brand should help attract coaching talent, and coaching wins games in college football. I'll agree that it's not as important as many believe, though.
 
Without reading through other responses, Temple players are coached to play every play from start to finish, they are coached to treat every play like the game depends on it, they are coached to perform their task on each play.

Their players understand their roles and their expectations for each play.

They respect the game and show it by their effort
 
Bad coaches and smart kids.

We need better coaching and kids who squeak through the admissions process and things change.
 
Redding Husky said:
Is it our location?
Our coaching selections?
Our financial commitment to football?
Our facilities?
The "basketball school" curse (Indiana, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas)?
Our late start at the FBS level?
Our fan support (or lack thereof)?
All of the above?

I tend to think it's our coaching. The other items are not significant hurdles. In fact, our facilities are probably above average from what I've read.

Temple seems to have done well in a bad location (not the best section of Philly), no stadium of their own, and less fan support than we have. With the right coach, we should be fine.
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The answer is very obvious. Uconn has made two bad choices for head coach.

The right coach can build a dynasty (Calhoun and Geno). The wrong coach can apparently shake the foundation to the core.
Uconn has now done that twice.

With the decisions made so far you really have to wonder how serious Uconn is for big time football. $5M is a lot of money on its own. But would anyone on this board let $5M stand in the way when $10's if not $100's millions have already been invested?

something bold and decisive has to happen. Anything less like hiring a retread OC on the cheap is waving the white flag.
 
Hoophound said:
UConn should be able to dominate the American with its brand recognition. One great hire and we'd be media darlings. UConn is one of the only schools in the American that would sell out the AAC championship game. The momentum would build quickly. Our facilities are the best in the conference. This is a program and fan base ready to explode, the only thing holding us back is the coaching.
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Ready to explode???? I agree one good season will change things, but that one good season looks like two or three years out.
 
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Excalibur said:
Currently, this is objectively incorrect.
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Who has been denied admissions due to academics for FB? Uconn has taken FB players from those bastions of academic rigor Milford Academy and Fork Union. Not one coach has raised a stink about academic requirements to the press.

Without names and proof, I don't buy it. Innuendo by GDL is a CYA move. Uconn has a history of taking minimally qualifying athletes and it continues today. After the BB APR fiasco, the structure is in place to keep all teams looking fine on that front.
 
I don't understand the brand argument. Ask anyone in the country what they think of when they think UConn and 100% will say basketball. Same goes for anybody here in state. Every single person knows we have good bball and crap football. A decent season isn't going to bring droves of casual fans in here because they don't just think of UConn as "one big brand" oozing with success and that's been expedited with a slate of teams nobody cares about coming to East Hartford. This program is so far down in the crapper it will take nearly perfect seasons to draw what we did in the honeymoon phase of FBS and even that's doubtful given our conference slate.
 
Hoophound said:
UConn should be able to dominate the American with its brand recognition. One great hire and we'd be media darlings. UConn is one of the only schools in the American that would sell out the AAC championship game. The momentum would build quickly. Our facilities are the best in the conference. This is a program and fan base ready to explode, the only thing holding us back is the coaching.
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So Uconn fans would have traveled in droves to Annapolis with 1 week to plan?

Media darlings where? ESPN? I thought they hated Uconn.

Uconn lacks talent especially since Diaco took over. 2008-2012, Uconn competed and won recruits on a regular basis versus RU, BC, Cuse and UMD. Diaco's been beating out UNH, Delaware and Colgate on a regular basis with the rare recruit having a P5 offer. I have no idea why he can not sell Uconn more effectively to P5 recruits that choose bottom feeders over Uconn.
 
FartMan69 said:
I don't understand the brand argument. Ask anyone in the country what they think of when they think UConn and 100% will say basketball. Same goes for anybody here in state. Every single person knows we have good bball and crap football. A decent season isn't going to bring droves of casual fans in here because they don't just think of UConn as "one big brand" oozing with success and that's been expedited with a slate of teams nobody cares about coming to East Hartford. This program is so far down in the crapper it will take nearly perfect seasons to draw what we did in the honeymoon phase of FBS and even that's doubtful given our conference slate.
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Yea I mostly agree.

I think next year we are going to continue to draw high 20's-low 30's for early season games with good weather. If we actually put a decent product on the field hopefully we can keep that level of attendance even late in the year. And if the product is good we can slowly grow that each year.

But I don't see us ever getting back to selling out games, or having real buzz about the program unless we get to a p5
 
06029 said:
Who has been denied admissions due to academics for FB? Uconn has taken FB players from those bastions of academic rigor Milford Academy and Fork Union. Not one coach has raised a stink about academic requirements to the press.

Without names and proof, I don't buy it. Innuendo by GDL is a CYA move. Uconn has a history of taking minimally qualifying athletes and it continues today. After the BB APR fiasco, the structure is in place to keep all teams looking fine on that front.
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First person I thought of was Tyler Matekevich.... wasn't that PP totally whiffed on him or was it admissions or perhaps a combination of both.. I know the St Joe coaches made calls to PP.....
 
kemba said:
Yea I mostly agree.

I think next year we are going to continue to draw high 20's-low 30's for early season games with good weather. If we actually put a decent product on the field hopefully we can keep that level of attendance even late in the year. And if the product is good we can slowly grow that each year.

But I don't see us ever getting back to selling out games, or having real buzz about the program unless we get to a p5
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Understand your point but have faith Kemba that we get a divine intervention (donor with doneros).... the right hire and a winning record will get us there ....
 
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Colt house75 said:
First person I thought of was Tyler Matekevich.... wasn't that PP totally whiffed on him or was it admissions or perhaps a combination of both.. I know the St Joe coaches made calls to PP.....
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Innuendo by GDL. Great source and a real CYA about why I sucked at Uconn but not now while protecting his buddy PP for a whiff. But...

Matekevich was a 2* in HS who had offers from Temple and Akron. He was not a sure fire, be a star player. PP and a lot of schools whiffed on him.

Admissions is not hindering recruiting. Meet NCAA minimums, want to play FB at Uconn and you will be admitted. Admissions is a nice excuse crutch for those that want one to help explain the athletic quality of recruits.
 
06029 said:
Who has been denied admissions due to academics for FB? Uconn has taken FB players from those bastions of academic rigor Milford Academy and Fork Union. Not one coach has raised a stink about academic requirements to the press.

Without names and proof, I don't buy it. Innuendo by GDL is a CYA move. Uconn has a history of taking minimally qualifying athletes and it continues today. After the BB APR fiasco, the structure is in place to keep all teams looking fine on that front.
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Dude, if the kid wasn't going to be accepted, we didnt offer. No one is going to be able to produce a list of kids that signed their LOI and then got denied, but we've had multiple coaches say they passed on recruits because of the academic standards, only to have those kids go on to other schools in our league.
Cant remember the name, but we had a commit get denied, went to Milford Academy, and endred up at Temple like 3 or 4 years ago.
 
06029 said:
So Uconn fans would have traveled in droves to Annapolis with 1 week to plan?

Media darlings where? ESPN? I thought they hated Uconn.

Uconn lacks talent especially since Diaco took over. 2008-2012, Uconn competed and won recruits on a regular basis versus RU, BC, Cuse and UMD. Diaco's been beating out UNH, Delaware and Colgate on a regular basis with the rare recruit having a P5 offer. I have no idea why he can not sell Uconn more effectively to P5 recruits that choose bottom feeders over Uconn.
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Maybe he comes across as being just as crazy in the living rooms of recruits as he acts during his press conferences. Maybe after he leaves the families are sitting around looking at each other, shaking their heads and wondering what just happened?
 
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