What is going on with Jayden Ross

[dennismenace]

With the transfer rules one has to pray that any of these players understand that their Jr and Sr years are where all this work and patience pays off for both themselves and the team.

With teams poaching and promising time in their ear it makes trusting the process very difficult for them..

Agree. It's a whole new ballgame now. We have 4 new high ranking recruits coming in next year and only a couple of grads so there will be stiff competition. If we can just get those two 6-7 guys some minutes we have more weapons to throw at opponents. Offense looked pretty darn good on the road in Texas.

 

[dennismenace]

Some kids need/take more time. D1 ain't easy. Usually for 4 year players its their 3rd year when we know better what their trajectory could become.

Fans can only hope that him practicing each day with NBAers, AAs and semi pros will motivate, boost his skills and help him gain confidence.

As for right now he looks tentative and unsure, perhaps scared to err.

A+ for your avatar. Classic BY!

 

[Mooch82]

Definitely needs game reps but the problem is he's often been a negative when he's in there. Plays too frantic on offense and has made some bad mistakes/turnovers. Also hasn't shot nearly as well as he was billed. To me, Stewie is clearly the better overall basketball player right now and should be getting more minutes, but Ross may have more long term potential as he gets stronger and the game slows down for him.

 

[RuffRuff]

Definitely needs game reps but the problem is he's often been a negative when he's in there. Plays too frantic on offense and has made some bad mistakes/turnovers. Also hasn't shot nearly as well as he was billed. To me, Stewie is clearly the better overall basketball player right now and should be getting more minutes, but Ross may have more long term potential as he gets stronger and the game slows down for him.

Stew clearly has more opportunity on this team as the need for his development will come with AK moving on after this year. Ross will need to show why he’s a must have alongside Mullins, Adams and Furphy. Would love Ross to develop but in the current Stew is the more important piece.

 

[3rdbass]

Uhhh he can’t stay on the floor because he can’t defend without fouling, can’t shoot, can’t dribble that well, and makes bad passes.

He’s an a great rebounder for his size tho.

His defending has actually been pretty good as the season has progressed. He gives you next to nothing on offense and his passing is subpar. I don't even want to talk to his ugly shot.

 

[mauconnfan]

The only thing wrong with Ross is if you read too much into the hype. And of course the early results of him getting off the bench earlier than Jaylin as the season began helped with that. But getting past a good half or 2 there hasn’t been a lot to expect. I mean there is potential without a doubt but beyond that for now we need to pull back and let time figure out who he can be. He plays too fast on O and honestly D as well. He can rebound so that’s a plus but he can’t pass the ball and is scary putting it in the floor. He’s a kid who came in with the hope of maturing into a good 4 year piece and as long as we look at it that way there’s still hope for this to happen. Let’s see but for now Stewart needs most of his minute there’s more there.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

The fact is, he needs to be able to hit shots and defend to get minutes. He hasn’t really shown it yet. I think he actually can be a decent shooter, but every time he shoots it just looks off.

 

[Hunt for 7]

I think it is clear that Ross value is primarily on the defensive end. I think we need to just accept that for this year. He is Singare+ if you think about it. Singare is a break glass and use in case of emergency which means Reed and Samson have picked up two fouls in the first half or both have three early in the second half. Break glass insert Singare and buy some time without the roof caving in.

Ross same situation. We have a big wing that Liam, Diarra and I would say Solo (but he will always guard the weakest 1-3 offensive player on the floor for the opponent) are having trouble guarding break glass an insert Ross. I think he showed us in the Texas game that he can help us in that area and maybe pick up a rebound or two and even a blocked shot.

The key is what guard do you match him with, since he has not shown us an offensive game he probably has to be on the floor with AK, Liam and another offensive threat. If he is on the floor with Diarra our offense will be be easier to defend. It would seem that it has to be Mahaney or Ball. In that rotation I would see Liam becoming more of a point foward. He clearly has the skills to fill that role.

Ross has value this year and it is in the role Hurley envisioned. He needs to turn that frantic energy into disruptive energy and that is a fine line. Hurley is a great defensive coach and I think we will see Ross improve in this area as the season moves along. Andre had some tough games as a sophomore, actually more than a few. Was anybody thinking he would be a second round draft pick at the beginning of his sophomore year.

I still think Ross is going to give us some valuable minutes at key times this year and next year we will continue to see improvement.

Look at what is happening with some of the top teams losing. Even last night Colgate gave Kentucky a competitive game.

Hurley is building and not matter how great a coach he will not win chips every year. But great teams will have to be blended. Three year program players with defined roles that they can capably fill, high level freshman one or two Liam’s or Castle’s and strategic portal additions.

 

[RuffRuff]

I think it is clear that Ross value is primarily on the defensive end. I think we need to just accept that for this year. He is Singare+ if you think about it. Singare is a break glass and use in case of emergency which means Reed and Samson have picked up two fouls in the first half or both have three early in the second half. Break glass insert Singare and buy some time without the roof caving in.

Ross same situation. We have a big wing that Liam, Diarra and I would say Solo (but he will always guard the weakest 1-3 offensive player on the floor for the opponent) are having trouble guarding break glass an insert Ross. I think he showed us in the Texas game that he can help us in that area and maybe pick up a rebound or two and even a blocked shot.

The key is what guard do you match him with, since he has not shown us an offensive game he probably has to be on the floor with AK, Liam and another offensive threat. If he is on the floor with Diarra our offense will be be easier to defend. It would seem that it has to be Mahaney or Ball. In that rotation I would see Liam becoming more of a point foward. He clearly has the skills to fill that role.

Ross has value this year and it is in the role Hurley envisioned. He needs to turn that frantic energy into disruptive energy and that is a fine line. Hurley is a great defensive coach and I think we will see Ross improve in this area as the season moves along. Andre had some tough games as a sophomore, actually more than a few. Was anybody thinking he would be a second round draft pick at the beginning of his sophomore year.

I still think Ross is going to give us some valuable minutes at key times this year and next year we will continue to see improvement.

Look at what is happening with some of the top teams losing. Even last night Colgate gave Kentucky a competitive game.

Hurley is building and not matter how great a coach he will not win chips every year. But great teams will have to be blended. Three year program players with defined roles that they can capably fill, high level freshman one or two Liam’s or Castle’s and strategic portal additions.

Good perspective.

Only question I have is around your last paragraph and if players will be willing to remain role players into their upperclassman years or if they go somewhere they can get real minutes. I’d have to think there has to be a real compelling message for anyone going into their third year with little minutes, with a crew of top frosh coming in.

 

[BGesus4]

Let’s just wait until after Saturday to judge. If they win they’re all first round picks. If they lose, they’re not UConn level players.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Good perspective.

Only question I have is around your last paragraph and if players will be willing to remain role players into their upperclassman years or if they go somewhere they can get real minutes. I’d have to think there has to be a real compelling message for anyone going into their third year with little minutes, with a crew of top frosh coming in.

I guess the hard part is helping them develop enough ala Andre from not on the NBA radar to potential draft pick without major minutes. Of course that was before NIL exploded so it may not be possible to expect three years out of players who are not getting enough run to show what skills they have..

Ross is interesting as I think we are fairly certain that nba scouts did ask about him last year. Clearly he has not been able to take the game he shows in practice into real (not ETAM) competition.

The whole dynamic to your point, which is certainly credible, is that the best teams will be composed of high level freshmen and portal acquisition’s. So if a player stays for three years they more than likely would never see real playing time.

 

[Shamon30]

He reminds me a tad of Marcus Johnson

 

[woodchuck68]

I guess the hard part is helping them develop enough ala Andre from not on the NBA radar to potential draft pick without major minutes. Of course that was before NIL exploded so it may not be possible to expect three years out of players who are not getting enough run to show what skills they have..

Ross is interesting as I think we are fairly certain that nba scouts did ask about him last year. Clearly he has not been able to take the game he shows in practice into real (not ETAM) competition.

The whole dynamic to your point, which is certainly credible, is that the best teams will be composed of high level freshmen and portal acquisition’s. So if a player stays for three years they more than likely would never see real playing time.

Part of the problem is that Ross should not be on the court at same time with AM and prob JS

 

[Scrutineer]

As others said he’s essentially having his freshman year (which is why I always advocate for freshman to have some roles to get their feet wet, otherwise we’re just wasting a year of a development).

Exactly. He needs to slow down and stop trying to impress solely with his three point shots. Play great defense, drive to the basket and develop some confidence by contributing to the team. Like MSU's freshman PG who's playing well now after lots of early mistakes.

DH lauded Ross after the Summer workouts same way he did Samson Johnson when he got here. Why that hasn't translated yet is the mystery the coaches probably can't figure out as yet.

 

[JerseyAlum]

Stewart is clearly above Ross at this point and was last season: more athletic, better shot, better defender (I know, debatable for defense).

Ross has Abraham (literally same height and weight 6'7" 205 lbs) pushing him for minutes, and I don't know if Ross's will go down and Abraham's will go up but it's going to be interesting to see who is #1 off the bench for each starter if they need to or have to sit:
1. Diarra sits = should be Nowell, but as currently injured, Mahaney
2. Ball sits = should be Maheney
3. Liam sits = should be Stewart
4. Alex sits = [help me here, we don't really have a good 4 off the bench, so this is Ross/Stewart coming in usually]
5. Samson sits = Reed, Jr.

That's a 10-deep team but Alex rarely sits...Abraham has not checked in awhile and Stewart started vs Baylor with Ross getting a little time off the bench. Ross did have a great game vs UMES, but who doesn't?

Bottom line is if we need Ross to be a 25 min, 14 pt, 11 board super defender, we have bigger problems.

 

[ctchamps]

Stewart is clearly above Ross at this point and was last season: more athletic, better shot, better defender (I know, debatable for defense).

Ross has Abraham (literally same height and weight 6'7" 205 lbs) pushing him for minutes, and I don't know if Ross's will go down and Abraham's will go up but it's going to be interesting to see who is #1 off the bench for each starter if they need to or have to sit:
1. Diarra sits = should be Nowell, but as currently injured, Mahaney
2. Ball sits = should be Maheney
3. Liam sits = should be Stewart
4. Alex sits = [help me here, we don't really have a good 4 off the bench, so this is Ross/Stewart coming in usually]
5. Samson sits = Reed, Jr.

That's a 10-deep team but Alex rarely sits...Abraham has not checked in awhile and Stewart started vs Baylor with Ross getting a little time off the bench. Ross did have a great game vs UMES, but who doesn't?

Bottom line is if we need Ross to be a 25 min, 14 pt, 11 board super defender, we have bigger problems.

You answered your own request regarding who is Alex's backup. It's Stewart. He started and played a lot of minutes in the Baylor game because Alex was injured. He doesn't get a lot of minutes when Alex is healthy. Until this team improves more we need Alex's stabilizing presence on the court. Stewart struggles playing defense against 1s, 2s and 3s. And we have the 5's covered. Stewart is next seasons starting 4.

Ross on the other hand can guard those three positions. I expect him to get more playing time when we play mediocre BE teams if we get substantial leads. He needs game experience and currently is too much of a liability on offense. If things click for him in games the way they have in practice this team will be that much better for it. One additional thing. In the preseason mens and women's showcase Stewart was the best men's 3 point shooter. He needs to become confident doing it in games.

 

[CL82]

I like Ross and I think he’s gonna be a decent player for us down the road but right now he’s too overeager, anxious , jumpy and twitchy -needs to chill a little bit let the game come to him.

That comes with time.

 

[CL82]

Also, the human brain doesn't fully mature until age 26, so let's chill.

If you are talking about the ability to delay gratification and see long-term consequences, it tends to be age 25 on average for women and 27 on average for men. So there is some biology behind the whole "hold my beer" phenomena.

 

[BuffaloHusky]

I really feel like we are doing a disservice to Jayden with this entire thread. As someone mentioned...this is really his rookie year and despite all comments about what he can't apparently do, I have no doubt he will be the catalyst for a victory or two by end of the season.