What is a recruit worth

[Tonyc]

There is something Ive learned about being developed and wanting to be developed more. If you're not getting better your losing ground to somebody. Your goal is to strive to get better because at every next level there is someone better than you someone who will challenge you and if you're not ready you will lose. The money will come when you've earned it. Not when you want it or think you deserve it. Don't be enticed by a coach that will offer you alot of money and has never won a National Championship.

When your good everybody will tell you you're good. You dont have to tell them, they will tell you. Just remember your only as good as the level you're at. In high school you may be a star but when you go to college all the kids were high school stars. When you get to the next level you have to work hard all over again to become great at that level and the next level and the next level because at every next level there is somebody better then you. At each level is where you need a coach that has been there and can get you there. One thing that makes Geno and UConn so great is that they have gotten there and continue to get there every year. They know what it takes to get you there and they've done it for over 30 years. Just look at their resume.

The thing that recruits have to understand is the money will come when you're ready and the money is your reward for what you've accomplished. High School is not the highest level. If you wanna be coached by the best you need to start by listening to the best. They've been there and you havent. They are not gonna pay you until you've proven yourself. You may not get the money you think you should, but a good coach will pay you what he thinks your worth and you will earn more money when you've proven yourself. You must continue proving yourself.

Coaches sell recruits a Dream. What is your dream? To fulfil your dream, you have to be coachable, be willing to change, and be willing to pay a huge price, in advance and there are no guarantees. That's the price you pay. You need a coach who has done it. Thats development and hard work. You need a coach that will challenge you. There have been many teams that depend on one star to carry them, and everybody plays for that star. Basketball is a team sport and when you get the best players and theyre taught to play as a team thats when you have a chance to win a championship.

So, what are you worth? Are you willing to pay the price to be successful. Are you willing to pay the price to meet your dreams. What are you worth now? How much do you want to be worth at the next level? It's up to you. There are no handouts. The money is paid based on what you are worth to those paying you. Success was not built in a day it takes time. Unfortunately, most people won't do what it takes to get there. Don't be a Could've been do what it takes....its worth it. See you at the Top

 

[FanSince17]

All recruits could be well served to read through your guidelines. Kudos
An aspect that I think about is the either/or: 1) going to a school and being the player that is going to make the difference and lead the program to success and 2) going to a great program, being a part of something already great, receiving great coaching and being in an atmosphere in which you can thrive and get better.
It's one thing that makes March Madness (men) interesting is the lower seeded teams with one, maybe 2 really good players. Remember Larry Bird at Indiana State, Steph Curry at Davidson, Wally Szczerbiak at Miami of Ohio, etc.
Funny, it doesn't happen much at all with the Women's game.

 

[visitingcock]

Old adage: Price is what the market will bear

Another: money talks/ BS walks

And remember:. UConn probably has more money available to pay WOMEN through ldirect pay from revenue sharing than any of the P-2 teams

 

[Tonyc]

The problem with money and long-term contracts in the pros many players have a good year, want a large long-term contract and dont live up to it. For some its like and I make this comparison. You set your thermostat to 70 degrees and when the temperature reach's 70 degrees it shuts off. Some players set their eyes on a high salary and when they get it they dont play up to it. IMO for many it mentally affects them having to duplicate or play better to live up to those high salary expectations and another point is they dont have higher goals to aspire to.

 

[fomalhaut]

The problem with money and long-term contracts in the pros many players have a good year, want a large long-term contract and dont live up to it. For some its like and I make this comparison. You set your thermostat to 70 degrees and when the temperature reach's 70 degrees it shuts off. Some players set their eyes on a high salary and when they get it they dont play up to it. IMO for many it mentally affects them having to duplicate or play better to live up to those high salary expectations and another point is they dont have higher goals to aspire to.

That's what separates the truly greats from the really goods.

 

[Bigboote]

The problem with money and long-term contracts in the pros many players have a good year, want a large long-term contract and dont live up to it.

In academia, that’s known as “tenuritis.” There are folks who might publish a landmark paper, are soon offered tenure, and can never live up to that reputation. Some of them continue to be good, but a few give up after a couple of years. I actually knew a guy who once forgot to give a final exam.

 

[Gael]

Don't be enticed by a coach that will offer you alot of money and has never won a National Championship.

I'm unclear about what this means.

Since only Geno, Kim, Dawn and Brenda have won NCs, does this mean the approximately 1000 high school seniors and 1500 portal entrants each year should only accept monetary enticements from those four coaches? That doesn't compute—mathematically, logically or philosophically.

I confess to missing that point, but I do get the point that players should be realistic and patient in evaluating their short- and long-term market values. So should we all.

 

[BRS24]

IMHO, Tony's point is that there are a number of top players over the last year or two that have gone to top programs (that haven't won a natty) with the aspirations of a national championship, along with rumors to have received significant NIL $$$$$ from schools, without having proven anything. As we're seeing with CFB, If any player in any sport is looking for the highest bid, regardless of what they've contributed to a program, then both the player(s) and program(s) get what they deserve.

 

[oldude]

Old adage: Price is what the market will bear

Another: money talks/ BS walks

And remember:. UConn probably has more money available to pay WOMEN through ldirect pay from revenue sharing than any of the P-2 teams

I don’t know if UConn has more money for WBB through revenue sharing than any of the P-2 teams. Revenue sharing and NIL payouts are something of a closely held secret throughout college sports. We hear some wild numbers for star QB’s and players like Aaliyah Chavez at OK. But we don’t really know.

What I can tell you is that Paige declined to take a dime in revenue sharing from UConn because she had so many endorsements lined up, telling Geno to distribute her share to the rest of the team. Who gets exactly what is a mystery.

 

[visitingcock]

I don’t know if UConn has more money for WBB through revenue sharing than any of the P-2 teams. Revenue sharing and NIL payouts are something of a closely held secret throughout college sports. We hear some wild numbers for star QB’s and players like Aaliyah Chavez at OK. But we don’t really know.

What I can tell you is that Paige declined to take a dime in revenue sharing from UConn because she had so many endorsements lined up, telling Geno to distribute her share to the rest of the team. Who gets exactly what is a mystery.

I said that UConn probably has more money than p2 schools.

My reasoning is this:
1. UConn is reportedly planning to spend the 21.5 million max of revenue sharing on NIL just like the P/2

2. The P-2 schools are going to spend most of their 21.5 million on football where most of their profit comes from . Indications are that the p/2 s are going to spend 5or 6 percent on women’s basketball. Roughly 1 million year.

3. UConn makes a greater percentage of ther profit on men’s and women’s bb. Logic dictates that they would Spend more n wbb than 5%.

 

[oldude]

I said that UConn probably has more money than p2 schools.

My reasoning is this:
1. UConn is reportedly planning to spend the 21.5 million max of revenue sharing on NIL just like the P/2

2. The P-2 schools are going to spend most of their 21.5 million on football where most of their profit comes from . Indications are that the p/2 s are going to spend 5or 6 percent on women’s basketball. Roughly 1 million year.

3. UConn makes a greater percentage of ther profit on men’s and women’s bb. Logic dictates that they would Spend more n wbb than 5%.

I do not disagree with your logic. I just don’t know, and outside of the bean counters in the various athletic departments around the country, nobody else knows either.

As I also point out. Revenue Sharing is just one aspect of athlete compensation. There are still alumni initiated NIL deals along with legitimate corporate marketing opportunities for big name stars. Aaliyah Chavez didn’t end up at OK based solely on revenue sharing.

 

[Rowdy831]

The proof in your logic is level of play you are seeing in pro sports right now. So many young players, especially QBs are oviously talented but under prepared and product on the field is suffering. These kids are getting great coaching as young people by private sources but are jumping from school to school chasing money in college and it shows.

I am afraid UConn WCBB is nearing the end of their dynasty. Geno has decided to bring in players that might help him in the short run but at the expense of the younger players who came to UConn to learn. Last year it was Chen, who obviously was a good player but did she make a difference on the team overall? This year two key contributers early are players who weren't at UConn last year. They too are playing at the expense of players who chose UConn and really I don't think the new players are adding too much that wasn't already here.

I'm not saying it to bash anyone, but to point out when you are special you don't do what other do because you don't have to. When you decide to play the instant gratification game in college sports you also will start to lose players who would have been loyal to a fault.

 

[Skeets]

I don’t know if UConn has more money for WBB through revenue sharing than any of the P-2 teams. Revenue sharing and NIL payouts are something of a closely held secret throughout college sports. We hear some wild numbers for star QB’s and players like Aaliyah Chavez at OK. But we don’t really know.

What I can tell you is that Paige declined to take a dime in revenue sharing from UConn because she had so many endorsements lined up, telling Geno to distribute her share to the rest of the team. Who gets exactly what is a mystery.

OD, I didn't know that. I thought revenue sharing started this year. It started in Paige senior year?

 

[Skeets]

I do not disagree with your logic. I just don’t know, and outside of the bean counters in the various athletic departments around the country, nobody else knows either.

As I also point out. Revenue Sharing is just one aspect of athlete compensation. There are still alumni initiated NIL deals along with legitimate corporate marketing opportunities for big name stars. Aaliyah Chavez didn’t end up at OK based solely on revenue sharing.

I'm hearing more radio commercials mention men's and women's names for local car dealerships or whatever. Can't be millions of $$, but hopefully the players are making a few bucks.

 

[BRS24]

I am afraid UConn WCBB is nearing the end of their dynasty. Geno has decided to bring in players that might help him in the short run but at the expense of the younger players who came to UConn to learn. Last year it was Chen, who obviously was a good player but did she make a difference on the team overall? This year two key contributers early are players who weren't at UConn last year. They too are playing at the expense of players who chose UConn and really I don't think the new players are adding too much that wasn't already here.

I will argue that yes, Chen made a difference on last year's team and provided a level of maturity that only comes from being a 5th year player.

I don't believe that Geno & staff play favorite. Playing time is a direct result of production in practice, along with what's needed vs each opponent. None of us are privy to what happens at practice, so for one, I will not argue on who deserves more playing time, especially if basing it on how long a player has been on the team. As fans, some/all of us have our favorites, along with a bit of bias, so it's hard seeing a fave not get a lot of PT.

 

[YKCornelius]

I'm unclear about what this means.

Since only Geno, Kim, Dawn and Brenda have won NCs, does this mean the approximately 1000 high school seniors and 1500 portal entrants each year should only accept monetary enticements from those four coaches? That doesn't compute—mathematically, logically or philosophically.

I confess to missing that point, but I do get the point that players should be realistic and patient in evaluating their short- and long-term market values. So should we all.

There are a handful of other coaches who have won a natty as assistant coaches or as players. I imagine those coaches can also speak to recruits on what it takes to win a NC from their experiences.

 

[visitingcock]

I do not disagree with your logic. I just don’t know, and outside of the bean counters in the various athletic departments around the country, nobody else knows either.

As I also point out. Revenue Sharing is just one aspect of athlete compensation. There are still alumni initiated NIL deals along with legitimate corporate marketing opportunities for big name stars. Aaliyah Chavez didn’t end up at OK based solely on revenue sharing.

There were no limits on revenue sharing when she committed but I agree with you that 3rd party money was almost certainly part of her package

 

[CL82]

Old adage: Price is what the market will bear

Another: money talks/ BS walks

And remember:. UConn probably has more money available to pay WOMEN through ldirect pay from revenue sharing than any of the P-2 teams

Unlikely since revenue sharing isn't program specific. Take for example, Michigan who basically gets to print money six times a year with games at the big house. It's probably easier for them to attain a full $20.5 million of revenue to share than it is for Connecticut to do so.

Unless you're suggesting that Connecticut will allocate more of the potential $20.5 million to women's basketball. I'm not sure whether that's accurate.

 

[visitingcock]

Unlikely since revenue sharing isn't program specific. Take for example, Michigan who basically gets to print money six times a year with games at the big house. It's probably easier for them to attain a full $20.5 million of revenue to share than it is for Connecticut to do so.

Unless you're suggesting that Connecticut will allocate more of the potential $20.5 million to women's basketball. I'm not sure whether that's accurate.

The House vs NCAA set a cap of 20.5 million shat schools can spend on revenue sharing. Many schools if not all p2s generate much more revenue than that from conference payouts alone.

The state of Connecticut passed a law that will allow colleges to spend up to the 20.5 million on revenue sharing.

Connecticut Passes Legislation Allowing UConn to Share Revenue with Student-Athletes | News | 2aDays News

News: The landscape of college athletics is evolving rapidly, and Connecticut is at the forefront of this change. This week, the state passed legislation that

www.2adays.com

UConn announced last summer it intended to spend 18.5 million on revenue sharing but some sources claim it has upgraded that amount to 20.5 million based on the new legislation.

https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn/article/uconn-david-benedict-revenue-sharing-20416384.php

How revenue sharing is changing the way UConn builds its schedule

The days of the Huskies traveling to the Caribbean for a Thanksgiving tournament or to Europe in the summer are likely over.

www.uconnwbbweekly.com

But, this only covers revenue sharing- not 3rd party deals between the athlete and shoe companies etc. there is no limit on that - as was the case with Caitlin Clark, Paige and others.

 

[CL82]

The House vs NCAA set a cap of 20.5 million shat schools can spend on revenue sharing. Many schools if not all p2s generate much more revenue than that from conference payouts alone.

The state of Connecticut passed a law that will allow colleges to spend up to the 20.5 million on revenue sharing.

Connecticut Passes Legislation Allowing UConn to Share Revenue with Student-Athletes | News | 2aDays News

News: The landscape of college athletics is evolving rapidly, and Connecticut is at the forefront of this change. This week, the state passed legislation that

www.2adays.com

UConn announced last summer it intended to spend 18.5 million on revenue sharing but some sources claim it has upgraded that amount to 20.5 million based on the new legislation.

https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn/article/uconn-david-benedict-revenue-sharing-20416384.php

How revenue sharing is changing the way UConn builds its schedule

The days of the Huskies traveling to the Caribbean for a Thanksgiving tournament or to Europe in the summer are likely over.

www.uconnwbbweekly.com

But, this only covers revenue sharing- not 3rd party deals between the athlete and shoe companies etc. there is no limit on that - as was the case with Caitlin Clark, Paige and others.

Yep, all good Info but this is what you said:

And remember:. UConn probably has more money available to pay WOMEN through ldirect pay from revenue sharing than any of the P-2 teams

I'm not sure that's accurate.

Now, on the other hand, your point that Connecticut women's basketball players have had excellent NIL opportunities. I completely agree.

 

[Dogdude]

When I was first starting out running my own business, an old hand told me, "All things being equal, never take a job based on money. Those are the jobs you never had your heart into, and they always turn out bad. You begin to chase money over everything else."

 

[maple]

I am afraid UConn WCBB is nearing the end of their dynasty. Geno has decided to bring in players that might help him in the short run but at the expense of the younger players who came to UConn to learn. Last year it was Chen, who obviously was a good player but did she make a difference on the team overall? This year two key contributers early are players who weren't at UConn last year. They too are playing at the expense of players who chose UConn and really I don't think the new players are adding too much that wasn't already here.

If you can't understand what Chen brought to the table and what the current new transfers are adding in ... I mean, what are we even talking about here?

Beyond ability of transfers -- what about maturity and experience? What about humility? What about the different perspectives and work ethics from not having been able to play at UConn from the start and knowing what it was like to play for a team that wasn't expected to compete for a NC every year? There are so many intangibles when it comes to sports and frankly, I see value in EVERY transfer we have ever added to our roster, regardless of their role on the team and if they won a NC or not.

Also, for the record, not all of the new players are one season only players like Chen was. So actually it's not just helping Geno "in the short run".

 

[visitingcock]

Yep, all good Info but this is what you said:

I'm not sure that's accurate.

Now, on the other hand, your point that Connecticut women's basketball players have had excellent NIL opportunities. I completely agree.

I will continue then. “Direct pay” is only from revenue sharing. Let’s say UConn and SCar spend 20.5 million cap on direct pay for NIL. SCar is going to follow their SEC brethren and spend 5% -6% of that money on wbb ( about i million) and the HUGE lions share on the cash cow, football.

Is UConn gonna limit their spending on wbb to 5% when it and mbb are their cash cows ? Foolish if they do IMHO. But maybe they will to try and build the football program buying players. Note I said “probably.” That’s because I don’t think UConn is foolish. I think they will spend significantly more than 5% (I would say at least double) on its wbb cash cow.

Probably is a great qualifier and signifier of opinion.

 

[Dogdude]

I will continue then. “Direct pay” is only from revenue sharing. Let’s say UConn and SCar spend 20.5 million cap on direct pay for NIL. SCar is going to follow their SEC brethren and spend 5% -6% of that money on wbb ( about i million) and the HUGE lions share on the cash cow, football.

Is UConn gonna limit their spending on wbb to 5% when it and mbb are their cash cows ? Foolish if they do IMHO. But maybe they will to try and build the football program buying players. Note I said “probably.” That’s because I don’t think UConn is foolish. I think they will spend significantly more than 5% (I would say at least double) on its wbb cash cow.

Probably is a great qualifier and signifier of opinion.

Agreed. Let's face it, this available pool of money needs to be "invested" wisely, and the safest returns at UConn are the two basketball teams, and I'm not sure if the women's team isn't the better investment right now. The competition on the men's side might be hotter for the best players as there are more competitive men's programs than women's. But, as the saying goes, you want to back the winning horse, and for the return on investment, that's bball.

I do agree with some of the talking heads that as of right now, the system is a complete joke. Isn't there a men's team with a 28 year-old guy on it?

 

[CL82]

I will continue then. “Direct pay” is only from revenue sharing. Let’s say UConn and SCar spend 20.5 million cap on direct pay for NIL. SCar is going to follow their SEC brethren and spend 5% -6% of that money on wbb ( about i million) and the HUGE lions share on the cash cow, football.

Is UConn gonna limit their spending on wbb to 5% when it and mbb are their cash cows ? Foolish if they do IMHO. But maybe they will to try and build the football program buying players. Note I said “probably.” That’s because I don’t think UConn is foolish. I think they will spend significantly more than 5% (I would say at least double) on its wbb cash cow.

Probably is a great qualifier and signifier of opinion.

I think it's a fallacy to assume that Connecticut will underpay football and "overpay" women's basketball. Nor do I think it's particularly necessary, given, as you point out, the enormous NIL opportunities that exist for Connecticut women's basketball players.

While, undoubtedly, potential compensation through either NIL or revenue sharing is, sadly, irreversibly a part of the recruiting process, it may have less impact at schools like Connecticut where being a part of the woman's basketball program dramatically, enhances players professional prospects. Said differently, players may be less focused on the short term concern of "how much am I going to get paid over the next four years" and instead are focused on the impact being a part of the program may have on their lives. That is just a feeling based upon the quotes of players and coaches.