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What’s next immediate need? PF or Center

I'm confused by your question. Because Diop would start at St John's and Thiam at Michigan
2nd and 3rd best C's in the portal are def going to start wherever they're going. It's why I've made mention of the only creative solution being finding a way to play Hines at the 4 5-10 minutes a game to practice a big lineup. Then you get a Diop at the 5 for 25 and Hines 25 between the 4/5.

Hines has some sick stats over 40 minutes

4.8 blocks, 12 rebounds per 40.
 
2nd and 3rd best C's in the portal are def going to start wherever they're going. It's why I've made mention of the only creative solution being finding a way to play Hines at the 4 5-10 minutes a game to practice a big lineup. Then you get a Diop at the 5 for 25 and Hines 25 between the 4/5.

Hines has some sick stats over 40 minutes

4.8 blocks, 12 rebounds per 40.
Believe it or not Diop would be the better occasional 4 as he actually has a jump shot same with Thaim…Hines is a pure 5 bruiser, defender rebounder in Hurley mode of a center…but would love to see Diop and Hines playing next to each other 10 to 15 minutes per game, split the other 25 to 30 it would be unfair
 
Believe it or not Diop would be the better occasional 4 as he actually has a jump shot same with Thaim…Hines is a pure 5 bruiser, defender rebounder in Hurley mode of a center…but would love to see Diop and Hines playing next to each other 10 to 15 minutes per game, split the other 25 to 30 it would be unfair
That would be fun, but likely unaffordable. We can dream.
 
That would be fun, but likely unaffordable. We can dream.
Yeah your probably right unless just maybe we dedicate all remaining resources to one of those two top centers , then give County and Jacob Ross opportunities and pick up an experienced cheap point guard and call it a day, I think this team has enough shooters between Demary, Mullins and wings….and 2 dominant bigs would be game changer and keep one of them away from St John’s or Michigan
But undoubtedly this has all been considered and probably not happening
 
Yeah your probably right unless just maybe we dedicate all remaining resources to one of those two top centers , then give County and Jacob Ross opportunities and pick up an experienced cheap point guard and call it a day, I think this team has enough shooters between Demary, Mullins and wings….and 2 dominant bigs would be game changer and keep one of them away from St John’s or Michigan
But undoubtedly this has all been considered and probably not happening
I'm with you - I wouldn't mind seeing some shift to having an ability to be dominant on the interior. Would be fun and a lean to more bulletproof. All said, we've done alright.
 
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Need a C as Hines fouls habitually at this point.
We need to stop perpetuating this misconception
It's why I've made mention of the only creative solution being finding a way to play Hines at the 4 5-10 minutes a game to practice a big lineup. Then you get a Diop at the 5 for 25 and Hines 25 between the 4/5.
#genius
Then how do other teams afford their rosters?
No team can afford Diop and Thiaw at C
 
We need to stop perpetuating this misconception

#genius

No team can afford Diop and Thiaw at C
Then how does Duke, Kentucky and Kansas have 8-10 burger boys on their rosters every year? Not saying it’s a winning formula but how do they accumulate that kind of talent?
 
Then how does Duke, Kentucky and Kansas have 8-10 burger boys on their rosters every year? Not saying it’s a winning formula but how do they accumulate that kind of talent?
If you aren't aware of the reality that Kentucky, Duke and Kansas each have significantly more boosters willing to throw cash around than we have (not to mention the conference revenues each receives) I don't know what to tell you.
 
Then how does Duke, Kentucky and Kansas have 8-10 burger boys on their rosters every year? Not saying it’s a winning formula but how do they accumulate that kind of talent?
None of those teams are pulling the two best transfer Cs in the portal. Have you looked at the UK and KU rosters lately?
 
Are you sure about this? How is Pitino emptying the vault to try and bring either Diop or Thiam to St. John’s. Same with Michigan and other big hitters.
It isn't just about money. It's about minutes. We chose Hines. He's our guy. You aren't going to get another 5 that would start for a legit P5 team that has tournament hopes to come in and play 15 minutes. You can get a younger guy who wants to move up and improve or a senior who wants a shot a ring. Those are the realistic options. Our previous two-headed Center tandems were all recruited from HS except Tarris. Reibe bleeped up the plan.
 
If you aren't aware of the reality that Kentucky, Duke and Kansas each have significantly more boosters willing to throw cash around than we have (not to mention the conference revenues each receives) I don't know what to tell you.
And Kansas still never has more than two 5 stars in a given class. It's really only Duke that pulls that off. Kentucky did a few times with Cal.
 
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We may not have the budget that some other schools do but it's not nothin' either. And we have the more important thing - a capable and competent staff - which many many many other schools do not.

Sure, it's unlikely we make a splash with the rest of our signings. Honestly, that's the easy way out and all that guarantees is wasting money for bad results (see Kentucky).

UConn succeeds because Hurley and his staff embrace the hard work of player development and do it better than the vast majority of their peers. That's part of the beauty of what he has built here.
 
And Kansas still never has more than two 5 stars in a given class. It's really only Duke that pulls that off. Kentucky did a few times with Cal.

It’s Duke and Arkansas. UK can’t attract a HS kid out of state. KU has hit a bit of a dark period.

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We may not have the budget that some other schools do but it's not nothin' either. And we have the more important thing - a capable and competent staff - which many many many other schools do not.

Sure, it's unlikely we make a splash with the rest of our signings. Honestly, that's the easy way out and all that guarantees is wasting money for bad results (see Kentucky).

UConn succeeds because Hurley and his staff embrace the hard work of player development and do it better than the vast majority of their peers. That's part of the beauty of what he has built here.

Hurley has to find high upside kids that fit culture and want to develop. He’s got to play at a lesser budget by hitting on kids with the kind of intangibles that work. The nice thing about that is that each kid knows that’s what they are there and they’re not swallowed up in 15 recruits. He helps kids pop and the kids are bought in and this is what he sells on.

How long it lasts is the question. At a point the 5-6 programs that have 30-40% more budget win on talent, it’ll be interesting to see if he gets frustrated.

One thing we are unlikely to ever see again is a season like 24. That was lightning in a bottle. There are always going to be 5-7 teams that have more talent on paper. We will have to win with execution and toughness.
 
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It’s Duke and Arkansas. UK can’t attract a HS kid out of state. KU has hit a bit of a dark period.

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Hurley has to find high upside kids that fit culture and want to develop. He’s got to play at a lesser budget by hitting on kids with the kind of intangibles that work. The nice thing about that is that each kid knows that’s what they are there and they’re not swallowed up in 15 recruits. He helps kids pop and the kids are bought in and this is what he sells on.

How long it lasts is the question. At a point the 5-6 programs that have 30-40% more budget win on talent, it’ll be interesting to see if he gets frustrated.
On how long it lasts, your guess is as good as mine. Nobody really knows...

Obviously, conference realignment is a big factor on the budget topic. And budget is, of course, a very important part of the overall equation. Not more important than the ability to scout, evaluate, develop, and game plan though.

We need to spend at a certain threshold to be competitive for talent. But you get diminishing returns above that level of investment. Indiana spent probably 20M on this roster and they're thrilled it's considered top 40, lol. UK spent 22M last year for Pope to drive the clown car off a cliff. In a way, I think not spending like drunken sailors acts as a filter for those non-culture fits anyway.

Not saying that to diminish the importance of money because that's one of the top 2 factors for basically every talented player these days. I just don't see a catalyst for him to get frustrated enough to walk away any time soon. Granted, that could change after a few underachieving seasons. But I doubt we experience many of those now that the program is humming like a well-oiled machine. We shall see.
 
None of those teams are pulling the two best transfer Cs in the portal. Have you looked at the UK and KU rosters lately?
That doesn’t mean they don’t have money to pony up. Both of those programs are clown cars and it’s becoming clear no one wants to play there.
 
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On how long it lasts, your guess is as good as mine. Nobody really knows...

Obviously, conference realignment is a big factor on the budget topic. And budget is, of course, a very important part of the overall equation. Not more important than the ability to scout, evaluate, develop, and game plan though.

We need to spend at a certain threshold to be competitive for talent. But you get diminishing returns above that level of investment. Indiana spent probably 20M on this roster and they're thrilled it's considered top 40, lol. UK spent 22M last year for Pope to drive the clown car off a cliff. In a way, I think not spending like drunken sailors acts as a filter for those non-culture fits anyway.

Not saying that to diminish the importance of money because that's one of the top 2 factors for basically every talented player these days. I just don't see a catalyst for him to get frustrated enough to walk away any time soon. Granted, that could change after a few underachieving seasons. But I doubt we experience many of those now that the program is humming like a well-oiled machine. We shall see.

Feels like Hurley has the kinda money he needs to get the kids he likes, with not a lot of extra. He gets the right type of kids with it. That said he may also miss one the right kids that are more expensive. I’d be curious to what a kid like Diop goes for versus Hines.

Kentucky sprays and prays, no one wants to play for Pope and everyone uses them as leverage. So they get kids there for the money. It’s a lose lose prop.

It’s going to be interesting to see how loaded some of these other top teams get when it’s all said and done. If UM gets Thiam, Teller and the kid from WF, it’s a spoils of riches. If Florida lands anyone else to really go for it…….
 
Then how does Duke, Kentucky and Kansas have 8-10 burger boys on their rosters every year? Not saying it’s a winning formula but how do they accumulate that kind of talent?

Kentucky has become a laughing stock. Their own fans are hoping they lose 20 games this year. The spent that much because they have to overpay for guys to come there. Freeman used them to drive the price up. Kansas has Adidas $$ and a bigger booster base and Duke is Duke. They are the only ones who are laden with the 5 star guys anymore.
 
Then how does Duke, Kentucky and Kansas have 8-10 burger boys on their rosters every year? Not saying it’s a winning formula but how do they accumulate that kind of talent?
First off Kentucky has lost its luster since the Squid left. Duke, Kansas and now you can add Arkansas to that list of programs that attract these Burger All Americans. It's a combination of their brand, coaches and the money they are able to throw at them. Add to that, these recruits are probably getting promises to start and that they will be one-and-dones when it's all said and done. We know that's not always the case, but the recruits keep on believing it.

You'd think that some of them would recognize that there are always a bunch of very high ranked recruits that end up sitting on the bench, not improving, and transferring elsewhere or having to wait quite a while for their turn as they get recruited over each year.

The pitch that high school and portal players get from programs like Uconn and Michigan State, tell them that starting and playing time needs to be earned, though I'm sure in some cases they tell the recruits based on what they know about them that they will likely earn a lot of playing time their first season and maybe even start. I don't think they get that kind of reality check with some programs that will load up each year with Burger AA's. And now in the era of the portal it's becoming increasingly difficult, if not unlikely, to win a championship led by young players.
 
Kentucky has become a laughing stock. Their own fans are hoping they lose 20 games this year. The spent that much because they have to overpay for guys to come there. Freeman used them to drive the price up. Kansas has Adidas $$ and a bigger booster base and Duke is Duke. They are the only ones who are laden with the 5 star guys anymore.
Love the fact that Hurley was in part what did them in - after they whiffed on him and Bucky down in Waco, they felt pressured to find someone that was going to say yes. They went for the big Mormon alum and it's been all downhill. I actually thought he might turn out alright - boy I was wrong.

I have to think these blue chippers figure out that you are better off going somewhere for PT than carrying the baby on the bench.
 
Kentucky has become a laughing stock. Their own fans are hoping they lose 20 games this year. The spent that much because they have to overpay for guys to come there. Freeman used them to drive the price up. Kansas has Adidas $$ and a bigger booster base and Duke is Duke. They are the only ones who are laden with the 5 star guys anymore.
Pope trying anything.
 
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We may not have the budget that some other schools do but it's not nothin' either. And we have the more important thing - a capable and competent staff - which many many many other schools do not.

Sure, it's unlikely we make a splash with the rest of our signings. Honestly, that's the easy way out and all that guarantees is wasting money for bad results (see Kentucky).

UConn succeeds because Hurley and his staff embrace the hard work of player development and do it better than the vast majority of their peers. That's part of the beauty of what he has built here.
Some of the reasons why Hurley is loved and respected so much by the fan base. It is not only about the championships. Most people identify with earning and working hard for the success than spending someone else’s money. It carries to the team’s culture and how we all feel about Danny.
 
Kentucky has become a laughing stock. Their own fans are hoping they lose 20 games this year. The spent that much because they have to overpay for guys to come there. Freeman used them to drive the price up. Kansas has Adidas $$ and a bigger booster base and Duke is Duke. They are the only ones who are laden with the 5 star guys anymore.
They had a huge day, they're probably the favorites now. Lolz

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