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What’s ahead for UConn as it enters first ‘real offseason’ in portal, NIL era

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So Pitino said pretty much the same thing. But are we not the only BE school that has a football program. If so couple that with a women’s basketball team that is going to want their share we may be at a disadvantage. Quite a dilemma football could be our ticket into a P-4 conference but could also hurt us until that happens.

We have to spend on football to make it competitive at the right level. But we all know no matter what our football team accomplishes it would take a miracle to make them more popular than our basketball team(s).
 
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One thought about the Portal is that the National Champion is really handicapped. It's like picking last in the draft. You have to wait so much longer to have access to the pool of players. So winning two years in a row didn't help us in the portal. Remember, we didn't do well after 2023 either until Cam entered the portal really late in the process.

So at least we don't have those disadvantages this year.
Started this thread Jan 25th that stated the same thing:

The 2024 Portal Conundrum
 
So Pitino said pretty much the same thing. But are we not the only BE school that has a football program. If so couple that with a women’s basketball team that is going to want their share we may be at a disadvantage. Quite a dilemma football could be our ticket into a P-4 conference but could also hurt us until that happens.

We have to spend on football to make it competitive at the right level. But we all know no matter what our football team accomplishes it would take a miracle to make them more popular than our basketball team(s).
Benedict said at least $5 mill on bball, so that would be at the high end among the P5, but yes, SJU and Nova could outspend us given they dont have football.
 
One thought about the Portal is that the National Champion is really handicapped. It's like picking last in the draft. You have to wait so much longer to have access to the pool of players. So winning two years in a row didn't help us in the portal. Remember, we didn't do well after 2023 either until Cam entered the portal really late in the process.

So at least we don't have those disadvantages this year.
On the other hand it is partly offset by doing better with HS recruits
 
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Stewart was not used well enough this year. He has some game to him but spent a lot of time standing in the corner. Several times he made a big play when the team was in a drought. I think he can have a very good junior season at uconn and he certainly needs to be recruited.
I disagree with the premise that he wasn't used well. He had a tough time getting free off the dribble. He made uncontested 3's, but otherwise had a tough time freeing up. His defense got better, which is to his credit. But again, who was he replacing? Alex? Come on. And he got a huge chance when Liam went down and did nothing with that chance. He had ample chances to make a jump. Let's not make excuses.
 
We couldn’t have a better coach. Imagine if he had SEC resources
If reports are correct we need an extra $5-6M from somewhere.
 

i'm just glad it's not an SEC or BIG10 team. i've got no problem w/ SJU winning chips. we havent had a real rival in years and it will keep the BE relevant. confident we'll still be right there w/ them thanks to Hurley.
 
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We have every rich hedge fund guy living in Connecticut, why can't we do the same.
We never really seem to have brought them into the fold for whatever reason and it shouldn't matter they didn't go here before people weigh in on that. It's a tiny state and they live here, we should be able reel in a few of these guys with all the winning the program does and how much it means to the state.
 
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We never really seem to have brought them into the fold for whatever reason and it shouldn't matter they didn't go here before people weigh in on that. It's a tiny state and they live here, we should be able reel in a few of these guys with all the winning the program does and how much it means to the state.
I imagine more of them went to Yale but yeah you're right. Look at what Stevie Cohen did for the Mets.
 
They don’t care…it’s not their money
True... maybe some of these fat cat University presidents will feel pressure from their boards and or the market pressures of the looming student apocalypse. Hell, some must be getting nervous now given the current administration's take on federal funding to colleges.
 
Can we give Repole an honorary degree?
He's actually a really cool guy. Huge Mets fan and big horse guy at Saratoga. Every time he wins a race, the winners circle is filled with his big party. I'm not shocked at all he's latched on to Pitino/SJU/MSG and having an impact.
 
It's flat out mind blowing how college sports went from an amature oriented ecosystem to a professional ecosystem on steroids more than any existing professional league that have many controls such as player destination and movement restrictions (I.e draft and year's served free agency constraints), salary caps, taxes for exceeding payroll limits, player salary slotting/bands, etc., while college athletics has absolutely no restrictions or limits other than number of eligibility years.

I'm okay with players getting some compensation and allowed to change programs but there needs to be guardrails, contracts, etc. to get this whole mess under control. It's not fun for most of the fans, coaches, ADs, etc. and does not seem sustainable. It's primarily benefitting many of the players, agents, some boosters and a minority of big pockets programs that have unlimited coffers.

I guess it does add some post season intrigue as to what players each program loses and/or adds via the portal and is no longer just the marathon high-school recruiting that usually moves at snail's pace throughout the summer and fall. Maybe it's not so bad...tweaks to it could make it more enjoyable for everyone, but who knows how long that will take?!?!
 
“It’s not fun for most of the fans coaches ads etc and it does not seem sustainable “
I actually think that Nil/ transfer brings more interest to CBB( for the top schools anyway)
Fans don’t seem to be staying home and
Tv ratings the past weekend we’re up so I’m not sure of the level of unhappiness
As far as coaches ads etc not being happy
Don’t see why anyone would care about that
They are extraordinarily well compensated, and there’s no shortage of people looking to take their job
to be determined if NIL is sustainable at this level
The marketplace will determine that
On the other side I’m sure the players are very
Happy being able to earn lots of $
 
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I imagine more of them went to Yale but yeah you're right. Look at what Stevie Cohen did for the Mets.
I think you nailed it with the Steve Cohen comment. Most of the hedge fund money is in Fairfield County and, philanthropy-wise, is directed disproportionately toward New York City rather than Connecticut. I work in the nonprofit sector, and in general, it's easier to get people from the other parts of the state invested in statewide initiatives than those in Fairfield County. Obviously, that's a huge generalization, and with the amount of wealth in CT, it really does seem like UConn should be able to reel in a few more Fairfield County megadonors who'd like to be a big fish in a small pond rather than sending their donor dollars to NYC.
 
I'd like to believe that at least one of our sophomores is capable of making the 'Solo' elevation. If one or more does then they would be our best option. Just imagine if Ross and/or Stewart made that performance jump.

Just saying there is some great potential with our experienced junior Champions.
Solo developed a lot this year from the opportunity he had. I think both players you mentioned can do the same if it’s their team next year.

They just need the time, rope, and role to do it.
 
“It’s not fun for most of the fans coaches ads etc and it does not seem sustainable “
I actually think that Nil/ transfer brings more interest to CBB( for the top schools anyway)
Fans don’t seem to be staying home and
Tv ratings the past weekend we’re up so I’m not sure of the level of unhappiness
As far as coaches ads etc not being happy
Don’t see why anyone would care about that
They are extraordinarily well compensated, and there’s no shortage of people looking to take their job
to be determined if NIL is sustainable at this level
The marketplace will determine that
On the other side I’m sure the players are very
Happy being able to earn lots of $
Let's see how long it lasts. As long as I can see the players as actual students attending a school I attended, I will gladly cheer for them. If they really just become a professional team that is sponsored by a university then I'm probably going to lose interest.

The massive flaw in all the court cases about paying these players is the belief that the players have some intrinsic market value. A handful do. They rest are only valuable because of the name on the jersey and the fans attached to that name. Here we are in portal season, ready to cheer on somebody we would have rooted against last year.

Almost all of the value of college football and basketball comes from the affinity fans have for their school. If these players, in any sport, were just in the minors, like we see in baseball, nobody would watch them on TV. OT Elite pretty much shows that.
 
We never really seem to have brought them into the fold for whatever reason and it shouldn't matter they didn't go here before people weigh in on that. It's a tiny state and they live here, we should be able reel in a few of these guys with all the winning the program does and how much it means to the state.
Shouldn't matter to us, but it very likely matters to them.
 
Cohen is CW Post undergrad...FWIW
And Wharton (UPenn) MBA.

The one non-ivy hedge fund billionaire I know of down here without an ivy league connection donated the (then) new basketball arena at UVA (his alma mater) and named it after his father.
 
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Hurley and company know what they need/ want. They are more than capable of evaluating the talent in the portal.
From what Dan Hurley said himself the other day, he's more focused (too many first pitches, etc. last year, he said)
heading into this off-season.
We need him to find more Cam level players........and he's so driven he just might.
 
Let's see how long it lasts. As long as I can see the players as actual students attending a school I attended, I will gladly cheer for them. If they really just become a professional team that is sponsored by a university then I'm probably going to lose interest.

The massive flaw in all the court cases about paying these players is the belief that the players have some intrinsic market value. A handful do. They rest are only valuable because of the name on the jersey and the fans attached to that name. Here we are in portal season, ready to cheer on somebody we would have rooted against last year.

Almost all of the value of college football and basketball comes from the affinity fans have for their school. If these players, in any sport, were just in the minors, like we see in baseball, nobody would watch them on TV. OT Elite pretty much shows that.
Interesting take
Re interest level you may be correct
My interest in Cbb in limited to Uconn and I suspect the last 30 years excellent teams has a lot to do with ii
Re the court cases all the court said was that
The players could not be prevented from earning
Money off their name image and likeness
It it did not require the universities to pay the players justice Kavanaugh intimated that
Making the players employees might make sense

You say the players value comes from the affinity with the school
To me it comes from their talent
If UConn had no scholarships and the team
Was the “normal” college students would
The games be sell outs be on tv!?

Big time college fb and bb is in the situation there in because they were beyond greedy
The TV money, exorbitant ticket prices expanding schedules, put them awash in money
To hide the profits
They paid the coaches millions of dollars in salaries
Built more and more facilities
Paid assistant coaches, crazy money
Expanded the athletic departments to preposterous levels
Join conferences with doubles and triples the travel
Budget
They put all the non-revenue sports into the athletic budget, which was not supported by the school so that they could show the athletic department was really not making any money
Meanwhile, they were all getting fat and happy
And while the players were getting paid(athletic scholarship to me is payment) it was a small percentage of their value

Time will tell if the “pro model “ of college sports will work
My take is that it will and while older folks (I’m one of them) may lose interest The younger generation will know the system as it is and continue to support it.
Somehow, I find it impossible to think no matter what the model is, that Alabama football will not continue to be popular
 
Interesting take
Re interest level you may be correct
My interest in Cbb in limited to Uconn and I suspect the last 30 years excellent teams has a lot to do with ii
Re the court cases all the court said was that
The players could not be prevented from earning
Money off their name image and likeness
It it did not require the universities to pay the players justice Kavanaugh intimated that
Making the players employees might make sense

You say the players value comes from the affinity with the school
To me it comes from their talent
If UConn had no scholarships and the team
Was the “normal” college students would
The games be sell outs be on tv!?

Big time college fb and bb is in the situation there in because they were beyond greedy
The TV money, exorbitant ticket prices expanding schedules, put them awash in money
To hide the profits
They paid the coaches millions of dollars in salaries
Built more and more facilities
Paid assistant coaches, crazy money
Expanded the athletic departments to preposterous levels
Join conferences with doubles and triples the travel
Budget
They put all the non-revenue sports into the athletic budget, which was not supported by the school so that they could show the athletic department was really not making any money
Meanwhile, they were all getting fat and happy
And while the players were getting paid(athletic scholarship to me is payment) it was a small percentage of their value

Time will tell if the “pro model “ of college sports will work
My take is that it will and while older folks (I’m one of them) may lose interest The younger generation will know the system as it is and continue to support it.
Somehow, I find it impossible to think no matter what the model is, that Alabama football will not continue to be popular
You seem to be missing his point. There's a lot of talented players that's why OT Elite and Ignite were started but nobody cares about them. People root for the schools/laundry.
 
You seem to be missing his point. There's a lot of talented players that's why OT Elite and Ignite were started but nobody cares about them. People root for the schools/laundry.
We Will have to disagree
Intrinsically I feel the game is about the players and not the school
ignite didn’t work because of the change the landscape of college basketball
Mainly Nil That’s not my opinion that’s coming directly from Adam Silver
 
We Will have to disagree
Intrinsically I feel the game is about the players and not the school
ignite didn’t work because of the change the landscape of college basketball
Mainly Nil That’s not my opinion that’s coming directly from Adam Silver
Of course it's about talented players but it's also about the schools. Nobody gives a cr@p about minor leagues and they're all talented players.
 
Of course it's about talented players but it's also about the schools. Nobody gives a cr@p about minor leagues and they're all talented players.
Maybe we don’t really disagree
The college is the brand I get that the brand is evolving and don’t get why folks have a problem with that
don’t think it makes any difference whether the budget is 20 million like it is for Ohio State football or goes to 50 million and everybody’s a paid professional player
It seems we’re already there, and it doesn’t seem to affect interest or popularity
Perhaps it’s the cynicism in me about the system before NIL that influences my view lol
I just don’t see how much has changed with NIL other than the larger $ (players were getting paid 50+ years ago, and I saw the envelopes )and don’t understand the angst . No one complains about Hurleys salary of 4 million because that he said he earned it. And that’s probably true. The players start to get a taste in the world gonna end
thankfully we had a Supreme Court justice do the right thing(it does pain me to give props to justice
Kavanaugh)
As always value your point of view!!
 
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