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So, Ms. Clark got her wish, and the 4-point shot was added to the WNBA All Star game played last night. Let me say, first of all, the ladies were obviously having a great time during this highly entertaining game! There were a number of truly hilarious vignettes, such as when Kelsey Plum just latched on Aja Wilson and wouldn't let her go until she had held her on the run up half the court while Wilson was screaming "foul, foul, foul" while the two of them were beside themselves laughing. Another time a player was bringing the ball up the court while her defender had her back turned to her, so she chose to pass herself the ball off the defender's back! And, in the most honest response to a question all night, Paige was asked what Geno would think of this contest truly devoid of even the slightest semblance of defense, she said basically that he would hate every minute of it! But, with all due respect to the Sage of Storrs, everyone in the game and attending the game were obviously loving every minute of it!

As to the inclusion of the 4-pointer, well Ms. Clark was just about the only participant who didn't throw up the 28-footer and that was only because she was nursing an injury which kept her out of the game. Everyone else couldn't wait to put a toe into one of the 4-point circles to try her luck. Paige was the first to hit one and that opened up a deluge of great long arcs, the results of which truly determined the game in favor of Pheesa's team, including enough from her personally that she broke the all-time All Star game scoring record. They at times seemed to be lining up to get to the aforementioned circle to get their personal turn. Of course, if the 4-pointer was ever made part of an actual game, it wouldn't be quite so bizarre, but in the final minutes of a game, I could see something almost as detached from what we have come to know as the game we love as the trailing team would certainly seek 4 points on every trip down the court to catch up. One could say that the 3-pointer was also a break with tradition but at least the shots from "beyond the arc" could be launched from anywhere, not just from one of two quite small circles to qualify. To me it would be bedlam at the close of every game that a team wasn't behind by 2 points or less. Just my opinion. Yours?
 
i thought it was unbearable to watch...while it is clear the players had a great time, i don't see a real reason for a fan of the game of basketball to watch this display of 0 defense and everyone shooting from everywhere....by the way this is my opinion of the NBA All Star game which is the same concept. For this game they'll added the 4 point shot...what is next, a half-court shot worth 5 points?
 
I loved the 4 point shot. Maybe I'm in the minority. And if people want to watch a competitive game with lots of defense, watch regular season games. This game was a celebration of the best in the W - a game to be enjoyed like a light popcorn snack as opposed to the heavy meal of regular season games.

I thought it was great to see the players having fun, setting aside their competitive juices for the regular season / playoffs, and just go out and shoot. I thought it was great fun for the players and the fans.
 
This was a travesty and an abomination! This was not the way to either attract new fans or reward old ones! Then to compound their misstep, they chose to wear a t-shirt that demanded,”Pay us what you owe us!” I am forced to conclude this league has some people in decision making positions that are simply not very smart! First; they (owners) owe you nothing but are rather owed millions themselves and second; why would you deliberately p*ss off the very people you are negotiating with by wearing such an obviously delusional and insulting shirt?
 
The 4-pointers were fun, for a minute or two... But that's it. Players were just trotting around taking turns hoisting shots; the "game" was unwatchable.

I do have an idea that the defensive play might have racheted up a bit if the score had stayed close, maybe... But that didn't happen.
 
It's a joke, and disgrace to the game - same for the All-Star Game play! Might as well just televise a shoot around!
Any relation to that game and real basketball was purely coincidental. I couldn't watch past the first quarter. But have to admit, glad to see POaige get the first four pointer.
 
You need to remember that during real college and professional games that if they did have four point dots on the court players would not be hoisting shots at will. I seriously doubt that coaches would let the players just heave shots up. I would assume that they would be used more so at end of quarters or if a team is down by 4, 8, 12 points. And the dots would need to be closer to the half court line not the three point arch.
 
This was a travesty and an abomination! This was not the way to either attract new fans or reward old ones! Then to compound their misstep, they chose to wear a t-shirt that demanded,”Pay us what you owe us!” I am forced to conclude this league has some people in decision making positions that are simply not very smart! First; they (owners) owe you nothing but are rather owed millions themselves and second; why would you deliberately p*ss off the very people you are negotiating with by wearing such an obviously delusional and insulting shirt?
Have to agree with Cuango on the tee shirt and some issues that some players brought up. There are positive and negative tactics to use to gain benefits and increase your overall brand image. The basic issue with the WNBA is that they are not doing enough to attract fans and most (all?) teams are losing money. If you like basketball and women's sports, this league is very entertaining. Negative marketing does little to help. Does not appear that WNBA management has a viable plan to grow its business model.
 
Have to agree with Cuango on the tee shirt and some issues that some players brought up. There are positive and negative tactics to use to gain benefits and increase your overall brand image. The basic issue with the WNBA is that they are not doing enough to attract fans and most (all?) teams are losing money. If you like basketball and women's sports, this league is very entertaining. Negative marketing does little to help. Does not appear that WNBA management has a viable plan to grow its business model.
HopJim, I concur with your assessment regarding the optics and messaging - both sides need to do a better job messaging to the public.
That said, I am skeptical on the position that any of the teams are losing money. As a semi-retired auditor (second career), I have seen a lot of financial statements. Income statements, statements of net cost and cash flow statements can be structured to present a "losing money" posture in order to legally avoid paying taxes (and for other legitimate objectives). Just like statements of net worth can be presented to show increased or decreased levels of present and future value to affect equity loans and sales of teams.

Without being privy to the financial records of the league in general and teams in specific, I suspect the central issue is about how much revenue will be going to the players vice repaying loans from owners' equity group LLCs, and when (pre-tax or post-tax) the players receive their increased cut.

Bottom line is that the WNBA is in a growth period and the projections forward indicate that the growth will continue (as evidenced by the decisions to bring in new teams into new markets).

I think the Commissioner's Office understands that there is a way forward where all parties involved will share in the increased benefits of the growth. However, representing all thirteen current owners groups - as well as the owners groups for the expansion teams - could be a daunting task.

Which brings me back to your very salient point - negative marketing does little to help this situation.

I am also not a fan of the carnival atmosphere of the WNBA All-star game. Like others, I switched the channel after the first quarter. :(
 
Don’t ever make it a thing. I am more in favor of removing the 3 pointer than I would be in adding a 4 pointer.
For an exhibition game, the 4 pointer was kind of fun, but I don't confuse an exhibition game for a real one.

When you look at the genesis of the 3 point shot, it was a gimmick to provide more "offense" (or points, really), to the ABA game in an attempt to make the ABA game more entertaining than the NBA game. Being alive at the time, I never saw, nor do I think there was, a "basketball" reason for rewarding one shot more than another. I, too, would be in favor of getting rid of the 3 point shot.
 
I watched the first quarter and moved on.. it was nice to see Paige hit that 4 ball right out of the gate. Other than that, a typical all-star game, which means boring.

All- star games by their nature are problematic
The league wants to showcase their stars, without anyone getting hurt, and make a few bucks in the process. The players have both ego and financial reasons to wanting to be selected as all-star but also don't want to get hurt in a meaningless game.
The various sports tried to find a way to have an entertaining game without injuries mostly without success.

The NFL had their Pro-Bowl which was disliked by fans and players alike. Football involves hitting and getting hit and once player salaries reached a certain point the money to play in the Pro-Bowl Bowl was chump change. The league would hold the game in Hawaii to entice player interest. In 1970 that was meaningful, not in 1990. Finally last year the NFL surrendered to reality and replaced the game with a skills contest and flag football game. Who wouldn't want to watch the best pros play flag football? I did.

MLB had an easier time sustaining interest in their All-star game as their wasn't much of an injury issue and the games resembled a normal game. For a while the leagues awarded the winning league home field advantage in the World Series to make the game meaningful; thankfully that was discontinued. As is the All-star game is ok to watch although I'm not a fan of pulling the starting pitchers after an inning


NBA All-star games used to be entertaining but are now unwatchable. Players didn't want to get hurt but back in the day the the first 3 quarters looked like a real game without hard fouls and the 4th quarter was for real. That evolved into a game that involved no defense. Uncontested dunks, layups and 3 point shots by the best players in the world is full. In 2024 the winning team has more than 200 points. And so starting this year the game was scrapped and replaced by a four team round robin affair. Not heat but not terrible.

I'm surprised Paige was surprised that the WNBA game didn't resemble real basketball. Or that she would think Geno would be shocked as the lack of defense. The game was typical All-star fare and will hopefully be replaced by something more entertaining in the future. Flag football? A spelling bee?
 
i thought it was unbearable to watch...while it is clear the players had a great time, i don't see a real reason for a fan of the game of basketball to watch this display of 0 defense and everyone shooting from everywhere....by the way this is my opinion of the NBA All Star game which is the same concept. For this game they'll added the 4 point shot...what is next, a half-court shot worth 5 points?
This is my line of thinking too. Last year's game was a lot more fun when it was USA vs. All Stars and both teams played with some fire in their bellies even if it was just for fun. Also more fun in years past where players try to make some crazy passes or highlight level plays. This game was almost exclusively uncontested layups and wide open shots on every possession. Might as well just watch shoot around warmups instead.
 
Gimmicks are fine for an exhibition game or all star game, but in real games it would detour the integrity of the league. It would be so stupid to incorporate that shot for real. Just what we need, another record for CC to set by camping out at the 4 point circle. Gimmicks' are for losers, of course if the intent was to destroy the league, they are on their way to doing so.
 
Gimmicks are fine for an exhibition game or all star game, but in real games it would detour the integrity of the league. It would be so stupid to incorporate that shot for real. Just what we need, another record for CC to set by camping out at the 4 point circle. Gimmicks' are for losers, of course if the intent was to destroy the league, they are on their way to doing so.
I pulled this from Wiki:

In June 1979, the NBA adopted the three-point line (initially on a one-year trial) for the 1979–80 season, despite the view of many that it was a gimmick. Chris Ford of the Boston Celtics is credited with making the first three-point shot in NBA history on October 12, 1979. The season opener at Boston Garden was more remarkable for the debut of Larry Bird (and two new head coaches).

Like I said earlier, I liked the 4 point shot. I liked it wasn't a line, but rather circles they needed to shoot out of. The 3 point shot was originally strongly disliked and termed "gimmicky". Even players like Bird didn't take many the first year or 2 it was there. But now it's a staple.

Honestly I don't care if they adopt it or not - they probably won't, but I do like growing the game and changing things up in fun ways. If players are able to make 28 foot shots (6 feet further than the 3 point line), then not only kudos to them, but they should be rewarded. Again I get some really dislike it so I'm not trying to argue.

As for people hating the game... The audience for the game peaked from 10:30 – 10:43 p.m. ET with 4,054,000 viewers. Additional context: It was the first time in 19 years that the WNBA All-Star Game game crossed the 1-million viewership mark and only the third time in history (2003 and 2005) where the game topped the 1 million viewers. So you guys are firmly in the minority. But shout it loud and proud! LOL
 
As for people hating the game... The audience for the game peaked from 10:30 – 10:43 p.m. ET with 4,054,000 viewers. Additional context: It was the first time in 19 years that the WNBA All-Star Game game crossed the 1-million viewership mark and only the third time in history (2003 and 2005) where the game topped the 1 million viewers. So you guys are firmly in the minority. But shout it loud and proud! LOL
That’s great if the general public loved it and there are more eyes watching the WNBA. Big win for women’s sports. It’s also okay for people to come on women’s basketball message boards and express their opinions even if they differ from yours or the general public.
 
That’s great if the general public loved it and there are more eyes watching the WNBA. Big win for women’s sports. It’s also okay for people to come on women’s basketball message boards and express their opinions even if they differ from yours or the general public.
Absolutely. Just pointing out to some of the ALL CAPS HATING THE GAME people that the viewership overall was over 4x that of previous games.

And for people who are used to the NBA all star games, it's really not any different. Again, I get that some people didn't like it. Then don't watch. And some didn't. But a LOT more did. And overall, the players loved it, had a great weekend, were treated well, and the game was a big hit on TV.
 

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