"We have to get bigger, tougher, stronger, nastier upfront on both sides of the ball"

[ZOOCONN]

Just curious...How did UCF make such an amazing jump from 2015, when they lost 40-13 to Uconn and were 0-12 including a loss to FIU to where they are now, at 10-0, just two years later, with a shot at at least a major bowl game. USF has had quite the rise but it is more gradual. Any way , maybe what UCF has done in two years sets a blue print for Uconn? Not sure, I know way more about bball. Can Uconn get to 10 wins in 2 years if RE stays?

it all has to do with the ability to recruit, Florida is flush with talent, you take darien down to Florida and have them play a full season and they'll maybe win 2 games. level of competition here is just different thus the ability to recruit a higher level of talent on a more consistent basis is much more difficult here than say at UCF/FIU

 

[businesslawyer]

I think it is a little more complex. During Edsall 1.0, we had 240 lb fullbacks that helped with blocking. In the Lashlee offense, the spread is supposed to help open the holes for the RBs. Our offense seems to work until we get into a short field situation. Then, the spread doesn't open up as much space and when we run, the RBs don't have big holes and they don't have the size or strength to break tackles. Clearly, the OL needs to bet stronger, but the RBs need to be stronger and faster.

The whole team needs to be stronger and faster. You can mask talent more easily between the 20s where the defense has to protect a lot of space. As the field shortens, good schemes and play calling isn't enough -- someone has to either knock someone over or outrun them.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I can't speaks for the Diaco years but during the P years the players were basically on their own in terms of conditioning/lifting and I seriously doubt any additional encouragement or praise was offered to those who took it upon themselves to put the work in.

 

[huskyrob1]

One thing that has stuck we me most of the season (and kept running through my mind Saturday) was that Fatukasi would be an ideal end in this defense but with him at most tackle we are too small at all three positions.

We will need our ends to be guys RE always played at tackle during his first run here and we will need RE to find true nose tackles (315 lbs - 325 lbs), a body type he seldom wentafter in the past.

He already has one coming in the late spring, Travis Jones. 6'5"- 350lbs. Originally recruited as an OL, I think he's our nose tackle next year.

 

[JMick]

He already has one coming in the late spring, Travis Jones. 6'5"- 350lbs. Originally recruited as an OL, I think he's our nose tackle next year.

Once he drops 20-30lbs he's going to be a complete monster. He's already unbelievably fast for his size. It will be interesting to see if they keep him on offense or transition him to defense

 

[huskyrob1]

Once he drops 20-30lbs he's going to be a complete monster. He's already unbelievably fast for his size. It will be interesting to see if they keep him on offense or transition him to defense

He's already faster at 350 than Foley ever was at nose tackle. Foley is too slow to play defense end, which I saw suggested in another post.

 

[huskysupporter]

He's already faster at 350 than Foley ever was at nose tackle. Foley is too slow to play defense end, which I saw suggested in another post.

Foley is absolutely not too slow to play defensive end is a 3 down lineman alignment.

 

[ZOOCONN]

Once he drops 20-30lbs he's going to be a complete monster. He's already unbelievably fast for his size. It will be interesting to see if they keep him on offense or transition him to defense

i think he will be well suited to play nose for us, hes a real gap filler, can take on double teams (which will be huge in our 3-5) and still has the athletic ability to shed blockers and make the play. kids gonna thrive in this system

 

[huskyrob1]

it all has to do with the ability to recruit, Florida is flush with talent, you take Darien down to Florida and have them play a full season and they'll maybe win 2 games. level of competition here is just different thus the ability to recruit a higher level of talent on a more consistent basis is much more difficult here than say at UCF/FIU

Maybe this year's Darien, yes, but the team with Evanchik and Steuber would have done very well even in Florida. That was one of the strongest teams in Connecticut in many years. That was the year Jasen Rose committed to UCONN with Southington ranked #1 in the state until Darien blew them out something like 49-0 in the playoffs. If I recall, the score was 30 something to nothing at the half with Rose running for his life all game, and Southington was really a very good team as CT teams normally stack up. That Darien team that year, would have done very very well in Florida.

 

[JMick]

Maybe this year's Darien, yes, but the team with Evanchik and Steuber would have done very well even in Florida. That was one of the strongest teams in Connecticut in many years. That was the year Jasen Rose committed to UCONN with Southington ranked #1 in the state until Darien blew them out something like 49-0 in the playoffs. If I recall, the score was 30 something to nothing at the half with Rose running for his life all game, and Southington was really a very good team as CT teams normally stack up. That Darien team that year, would have done very very well in Florida.

That was the best team I've ever seen in Connecticut. 2010 Masuk is probably the 2nd best

 

[huskyrob1]

Foley is absolutely not too slow to play defensive end is a 3 down lineman alignment.

Yes, in a 4-3 he might be ok, but in a classic 3-4, I think he's too slow. Even at nose tackle against USF, Foley got good pressure but was always a half step away from Flowers when Flowers pulled the trigger or just side stepped Foley and ran with the ball towards the corners for a nice gain.

 

[huskymedic]

Fuller: Focus turns to the future for rebuilding UConn football team

>>With eight true freshmen played this season, 14 of those on scholarship did not, including quarterbacks Jordan McAfee and Marvin Washington, defensive lineman Caleb Thomas, offensive linemen Robert Holmes, Stanley Hubbard and James Tunstall and tight end Ryan Fitton.<<

>>More help will be on the way with 19 known commitments and a few more expected.

Ten UConn commits led their team to the state playoffs and it could be 11 if Kevon Jones’ East Hartford team beats Manchester on Wednesday night.

Edsall has talked about getting bigger, stronger and faster and it should be noted that the Huskies have nine commitments from July 27 and six of them (including Wilbur Cross High School’s Travis Jones) are projected to play on either the offensive or defensive line at UConn.<<

 

[ZOOCONN]

Maybe this year's Darien, yes, but the team with Evanchik and Steuber would have done very well even in Florida. That was one of the strongest teams in Connecticut in many years. That was the year Jasen Rose committed to UCONN with Southington ranked #1 in the state until Darien blew them out something like 49-0 in the playoffs. If I recall, the score was 30 something to nothing at the half with Rose running for his life all game, and Southington was really a very good team as CT teams normally stack up. That Darien team that year, would have done very very well in Florida.

ok ill use that as a perfect example, that was the best team we may have had ever in the state. how many of them went on to play at top 25 colleges? or even D1 schools for that matter. we up here truly don't understand the level of competition down in FLA. you throw a rock in any direction in florida you'll hit a 3 star kid going to a D1 college. thats just facts.
just a quick search on rivals/ 247 sports there is just about 300 players ranked 3 stars or more in the state of florida compared to the maybe 4-5 in the state of CT, if you wanna include all players with star ratings that number jumps to 550 FL and 20 for CT. I love the state of CT and CTHSFB is near and dear to my heart but they truly are apples and oranges.

 

[bmayuc]

Under Edsall we played in the International Bowl in Toronto a number of years back against a very good Buffalo team that won the MAC champion that season.

Early in the game a Buffalo kid went in motion and at the snap continued to run parallel to the LOS. Reggie McClain knocked him out of the game...literally. Kid woke up and was all pissed and Reggie just shrugged his shoulders as if to say what the hell did you expect.

By the second half Donald Brown was on his way to run for over 250 yards and Buffalo could not keep defenders on the field. They were substituting constantly because our OL were on them at all levels blowing people up.

It was complete and total physical domination.

I remember watching the Buffalo game in a bar in NYC thinking that it was the single most physically dominant game I had watched at the college level. Our RB weren't even getting touched for 8 yards. I think we threw it like 4 times?

Those OLines with Moe Petrus, Hurd, Beatty were the absolute strength of the team. Need to get back to that for sure.

As a Giant/UConn fan, the last 5 years have been an absurdity as a fan. Probably the two worst Offensive Lines I've ever seen in football. It craters everything else a team looks to accomplish. 2nd & 9 instead of 2nd & 4 is a complete gamechanger on every level.

 

[UConnJim]

ok ill use that as a perfect example, that was the best team we may have had ever in the state. how many of them went on to play at top 25 colleges? or even D1 schools for that matter. we up here truly don't understand the level of competition down in FLA. you throw a rock in any direction in florida you'll hit a 3 star kid going to a D1 college. thats just facts.
just a quick search on rivals/ 247 sports there is just about 300 players ranked 3 stars or more in the state of florida compared to the maybe 4-5 in the state of CT, if you wanna include all players with star ratings that number jumps to 550 FL and 20 for CT. I love the state of CT and CTHSFB is near and dear to my heart but they truly are apples and oranges.

Yes and no. Clearly, there is more talent per capita in Florida, but because of the high density of talent, there are more rating resources devoted to Florida so more kids are rated. In the Northeast, kids get overlooked as the rating services don't spend much time evaluating and rating kids. You can see where the rating service scouts are based and what territories they cover.

Look at a kid like Tyler Coyle out of Windsor. He was rated 2* as a 6'1" 195 DB. But, he was recorded at 10.78 100 meters and 6'10" high jump which is elite. No way he is a 2* in Florida, but it happens in Connecticut. Same with Byron Jones from Bristol. Rated 2*, but a freak athlete. He would not have been overlooked in Florida.

 

[huskyrob1]

ok ill use that as a perfect example, that was the best team we may have had ever in the state. how many of them went on to play at top 25 colleges? or even D1 schools for that matter. we up here truly don't understand the level of competition down in FLA. you throw a rock in any direction in florida you'll hit a 3 star kid going to a D1 college. thats just facts.
just a quick search on rivals/ 247 sports there is just about 300 players ranked 3 stars or more in the state of florida compared to the maybe 4-5 in the state of CT, if you wanna include all players with star ratings that number jumps to 550 FL and 20 for CT. I love the state of CT and CTHSFB is near and dear to my heart but they truly are apples and oranges.

No, it wasn't the best team we ever had in the state, but like I said it was the best team in many years. Only thing you are doing is way way understating Connecticut talent. We got destroyed by BC the other day and were clearly outclassed by their player personnel. Their best offensive player, AJ Dillon, born and raised in New London CT. Their best defensive player, Zach Allen, born and raised in New Canaan CT.
As to the best CT team ever, they sent six of their players to division 1 colleges, and many others to D2 schools. One stared at Maryland, another distinguished himself at Harvard, and another to Yale, while two others from that team went to Notre Dame, with one of the two making first team AA two years in a row and was instrumental in winning a national championship for ND. Alot of CT kids, and by that I mean top notch division 1 talent don't go on to play college football, by choice. They have different priorities, that the kids in Florida have.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

I think it is a little more complex. During Edsall 1.0, we had 240 lb fullbacks that helped with blocking. In the Lashlee offense, the spread is supposed to help open the holes for the RBs. Our offense seems to work until we get into a short field situation. Then, the spread doesn't open up as much space and when we run, the RBs don't have big holes and they don't have the size or strength to break tackles. Clearly, the OL needs to bet stronger, but the RBs need to be stronger and faster.

The offense also starts to go conservative inside the red zone. It is easier to predict UConn's play calling once the field shortens, especially on first down. Hasn't changed in forever.

 

[Exit 4]

Yes and no. Clearly, there is more talent per capita in Florida, but because of the high density of talent, there are more rating resources devoted to Florida so more kids are rated. In the Northeast, kids get overlooked as the rating services don't spend much time evaluating and rating kids. You can see where the rating service scouts are based and what territories they cover.

Look at a kid like Tyler Coyle out of Windsor. He was rated 2* as a 6'1" 195 DB. But, he was recorded at 10.78 100 meters and 6'10" high jump which is elite. No way he is a 2* in Florida, but it happens in Connecticut. Same with Byron Jones from Bristol. Rated 2*, but a freak athlete. He would not have been overlooked in Florida.

Hmmm, well Devon Matthews is a two star by Rivals and when compare his tape to Coyle’s there is no comparison - Matthews is much more physical. Of course there are over looked players here, but by and large, there is less talent and i’m not really buying there is a lot of over looked talent... some - but not that much...maybe 2 to 5 kids a year in all of New England. It’s not like we really see a bunch of NE kids routinely surprise rosters here or anyone else.

 

[Exit 4]

No, it wasn't the best team we ever had in the state, but like I said it was the best team in many years. Only thing you are doing is way way understating Connecticut talent. We got destroyed by BC the other day and were clearly outclassed by their player personnel. Their best offensive player, AJ Dillon, born and raised in New London CT. Their best defensive player, Zach Allen, born and raised in New Canaan CT.
As to the best CT team ever, they sent six of their players to division 1 colleges, and many others to D2 schools. One stared at Maryland, another distinguished himself at Harvard, and another to Yale, while two others from that team went to Notre Dame, with one of the two making first team AA two years in a row and was instrumental in winning a national championship for ND. Alot of CT kids, and by that I mean top notch division 1 talent don't go on to play college football, by choice. They have different priorities, that the kids in Florida have.

You are not getting the Zach Allen’s and AJ Dillons anytime soon, hence the need to find the overlooked equivalents in FL.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[huskyrob1]

You are not getting the Zach Allen’s and AJ Dillons anytime soon, hence the need to find the overlooked equivalents in FL.

As already pointed out, there are no overlooked players in Florida, but they are overrated compared to kids up here. The overlooked kids are up here for the most part, if you find an overlooked kid in Florida then you are damn lucky. If AJ Dillon or Zach Allen had come from Florida they'd both be 5 stars. BTW, Zach Allen did visit the Storrs campus during his recruitment.

 

[ktuck911]

You are not getting the Zach Allen’s and AJ Dillons anytime soon, hence the need to find the overlooked equivalents in FL.

THIS

 

[ktuck911]

it all has to do with the ability to recruit, Florida is flush with talent, you take darien down to Florida and have them play a full season and they'll maybe win 2 games. level of competition here is just different thus the ability to recruit a higher level of talent on a more consistent basis is much more difficult here than say at UCF/FIU

This.. and bring New Canaan down there too... 0 advantages because of $$$ down there...

 

[ktuck911]

i think he will be well suited to play nose for us, hes a real gap filler, can take on double teams (which will be huge in our 3-5) and still has the athletic ability to shed blockers and make the play. kids gonna thrive in this system

BIG question here though is does/will he have the desire to play Nose Guard for us if we put him on D??? Historically speaking, when it comes to CT kids... there's only one town I'm aware of where kids that play make it at DT at the FBS level.. That town happened to be Windsor... Right now, my $$$ is on T Jones playing OL somewhere, primarily OG...but it would be nice to see him show a little versatility and dominate on that side of the ball at either OG or OT....

I say we look elsewhere to fill the gaps along the defensive front for this system ( JUCO, GS, transfer, overlooked under the radar kids the way Edsall knows how to recruit them - Kendall Reyes types )

 

[huskysupporter]

Travis jones best position is offensive guard

 

[huskysupporter]

As already pointed out, there are no overlooked players in Florida, but they are overrated compared to kids up here. The overlooked kids are up here for the most part, if you find an overlooked kid in Florida then you are damn lucky. If AJ Dillon or Zach Allen had come from Florida they'd both be 5 stars. BTW, Zach Allen did visit the Storrs campus during his recruitment.

There are a ton of overlooked kids in Florida.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Yes, in a 4-3 he might be ok, but in a classic 3-4, I think he's too slow. Even at nose tackle against USF, Foley got good pressure but was always a half step away from Flowers when Flowers pulled the trigger or just side stepped Foley and ran with the ball towards the corners for a nice gain.

Just so I'm clear on what you are saying:

You believe a DE in a three man front requires more speed than a DE in a four man front?

 

[huskysupporter]

Just so I'm clear on what you are saying:

You believe a DE in a three man front requires more speed than a DE in a four man front?

I compare Foley to ends like Cullen Jenkins. Big guys who can stop the run in the 3-4 but can also push the pocket which helps other pass rushers. Glad he took one for the team and played NT but his best spot is DE.

 

[Exit 4]

As already pointed out, there are no overlooked players in Florida, but they are overrated compared to kids up here. The overlooked kids are up here for the most part, if you find an overlooked kid in Florida then you are damn lucky. If AJ Dillon or Zach Allen had come from Florida they'd both be 5 stars. BTW, Zach Allen did visit the Storrs campus during his recruitment.

When did I say there are no overlooked players in FL?
The key for UConn after 7 losing seasons it to find overlooked guys in both markets. I'm not going to completely ignore one area over the other. But I completely disagree that overlooked talent is rare in FL. I think you are way off base. Way off.

 

[Excalibur]

Just so I'm clear on what you are saying:

You believe a DE in a three man front requires more speed than a DE in a four man front?

Yeah that was strange. Speed is paramount in a 4-3 DE -- think Cody Brown or Trevardo.

As for Foley, I think he's best suited to a 4-3 DT. He's capable of playing DE in a 3-down formation but it's not his strong suit. He is not by any stretch of the imagination meant to play inside in a 3-4 or 3-3-5.