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Look, I'll admit he had decent success here but why wouldn't it matter? If he was lighting up there I'm sure you'd be using it as a measuring stick of how great he is. Fact of the matter is he is nothing special. The right guy to transition UConn to FBS. It was clear he was never going to be a guy who led you to double digit win seasons or end the year ranked. His record at Maryland is worse than P's here. You don't think its relevant I do. They both suck and have caused the programs they took over to regress severely. Would Edsall be doing better here than P, I think so, but he left so fluck him.
 
Hmmm... That's weird. Frey ran for 389 yards on 75 carries that season in a backfield w/ Todman who already announced he was leaving for the NFL. Frey would have been the Huskies' most experienced tailback going into 2011. He was also the top return threat coming back. One would think his PT would increase. Young love...

Not only that, Frey's numbers were down from what they would have been because he was nursing an injury the first part of the year. He would have gone into spring ball as the presumptive starting TB. Sheesh.
 
It was clear he was never going to be a guy who led you to double digit win seasons or end the year ranked..

For the record, that wasn't nearly as clear to me as the fact that we had fans who were totally unrealistic about where a good coach should have us less than ten years into playing I-A ball.

But you are right on he left so fluck him. That I have no issue with.
 
The same complaints were going around then. But not from people with triple digit I.Qs

And no one who doesn't live in bizarro world finds it to be a negative when you win your conference and reap the rewards of doing so in anything.

The posts here can be used as evidence that IQ is only one tool for measuring intelligence no matter how many digits are in the result.

Believe me I reaped the Fiesta and I have the pictures and witnesses to prove it. I think some just have a loftier view of where the program is compared to what it actually is.

UConnDan97 - thanks for that link, I stand corrected, I honestly don't remember that article, I do however remember it being reported that he didn't get in, either way we could have used him he chose another path
 
For the record, that wasn't nearly as clear to me as the fact that we had fans who were totally unrealistic about where a good coach should have us less than ten years into playing I-A ball.

But you are right on he left so fluck him. That I have no issue with.
If he was really in it for the long haul at UConn , maybe you're right but we Wii never know.. To me he always had one eye on the door and that made him even more unlikeable than he already was.

I doubt he ever coaches a game in the big 10. Do people really think that wouldn't speak to his overall coaching abilities if it happens???
 
The posts here can be used as evidence that IQ is only one tool for measuring intelligence no matter how many digits are in the result.

Believe me I reaped the Fiesta and I have the pictures and witnesses to prove it. I think some just have a loftier view of where the program is compared to what it actually is.

UConnDan97 - thanks for that link, I stand corrected, I honestly don't remember that article, I do however remember it being reported that he didn't get in, either way we could have used him he chose another path

Honestly Jerry, I think the reason that you remember it being reported differently is that so many on the Boneyard have propagated that myth. But you're right that we could have definitely used him. Don't get me wrong; McCombs had a good year that year and Nick Williams began to show that he was....Nick Williams...but having an athlete like Robbie would have certainly helped us a lot. I heard that he got cut from the Atlanta Falcons, but I'm rooting for him to make his way back into the NFL...
 
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quote="noeynox, post: 451855, member: 156"]If he was really in it for the long haul at UConn , maybe you're right but we Wii never know.. To me he always had one eye on the door and that made him even more unlikeable than he already was.

I doubt he ever coaches a game in the big 10. Do people really think that wouldn't speak to his overall coaching abilities if it happens???[/quote]

I don't care enough how he does at Maryland to make the case. But having decided to blow the program up to start from square one and do it his way doesn't really get to his coaching.
 
I think that's a convenient excuse. Good coaches win early at their new jobs. Hell even Charlie Weis was an immediate upgrade. When coaches do as poorly as Edsall and P have at their new jobs, the writing is on the wall. I think because we watch ALL of UConn s plays we see deficiencies in his coaching that weren't there under Edsall and conclude he is worlds worse as a HC. To me they're about the same. It took P two years to match Edsall s win total against ranked teams. Speaks volumes to me.
 
I should have said win early when they're not taking over GROB type situation which neither P or Edsall were and you see how quickly Marrone turned that nightmare around.
 
I should have said win early when they're not taking over GROB type situation which neither P or Edsall were and you see how quickly Marrone turned that nightmare around.

At risk of sounding like I want to defend Edsall (because I don't; I want to punch him in the throat for the way he left the team), have you seen his last two recruiting years at Maryland??? They are ridiculously impressive; the type of stuff that he wasn't even close to doing here. That team is going to be really good really soon, I'm afraid:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/football/recruiting/commitments/2012/maryland-5
http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/maryland-5

We already know what Stefon Diggs and Perry Hills could do as freshmen. But give Edsall one or two more years with that type of talent, and I really believe he's going to make some big time waves. They aren't going to get rid of him anytime soon...
 
At risk of sounding like I want to defend Edsall (because I don't; I want to punch him in the throat for the way he left the team), have you seen his last two recruiting years at Maryland??? They are ridiculously impressive; the type of stuff that he wasn't even close to doing here. That team is going to be really good really soon, I'm afraid:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/football/recruiting/commitments/2012/maryland-5
http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/maryland-5

We already know what Stefon Diggs and Perry Hills could do as freshmen. But give Edsall one or two more years with that type of talent, and I really believe he's going to make some big time waves. They aren't going to get rid of him anytime soon...

As long as he has Locksley - he'll be fine (unless NCAA comes calling)...
 
As long as he has Locksley - he'll be fine (unless NCAA comes calling)...

Yeah, but can it all really be due to Locksley? I've heard that Locksley is a really good recruiter, but it has to also say something about belief in the head guy when you see recruiting classes like that. Hell, he's even got the number 1 JUCO prospect this year! I don't remember him going after a lot of JUCO's in his time at UConn, but I guess he's getting them from everywhere now...
 
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Locksley is a stud recruiter, but if they don't go bowling this year, I doubt they get year four. We will see. I could care less how he does, except when he is constantly brought up here as if he was forced out to bring in P, like fridge was forced out to bring him in.

In regards to Riggs, his mom wanted him there and no where else. Think Aaron Hernandez before his dad passed .
 
except when he is constantly brought up here as if he was forced out to bring in P, like fridge was forced out to bring him in.
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Is there any chance whatsoever you actually have a quote that anyone claims Edsall was forced out to bring in P? Even one in the two years since Edsall left?
 
No, but I do get tired of hearing the lamenting that he is gone. Fluck him he left. In the time since he's left he has sucked worse than both the guy he replaced, and the guy that replaced him. He even managed to lose to the guy we want fired head to head at home. Sorry I don't miss him, and yeah P was a bad hire. See the two things aren't mutually exclusive. I could be glad Edsall left and hate that P was the guy hired to replace him.
 
No, but I do get tired of hearing the lamenting that he is gone. Fluck him he left. In the time since he's left he has sucked worse than both the guy he replaced, and the guy that replaced him. He even managed to lose to the guy we want fired head to head at home. Sorry I don't miss him, and yeah P was a bad hire. See the two things aren't mutually exclusive. I could be glad Edsall left and hate that P was the guy hired to replace him.

What a post. You admit you were caught in a flat out lie, and then you just go on attacking anyway. Bravo, that takes balls.
 
Thanks. You go right on taking yourself so seriously. Who am I "attacking" ? its an attack that I don't think he is a special coach? Some here talk about like we lost Brian Kelly. I can't wait till P is gone so we could just move forward from Edsall.

Deep down inside I just know you wish Edsall was tearing it up so you can rub it in the anti Edsall group. Sorry your hero has disappointed.
 
Thanks. You go right on taking yourself so seriously. Who am I "attacking" ? its an attack that I don't think he is a special coach? Some here talk about like we lost Brian Kelly. I can't wait till P is gone so we could just move forward from Edsall.

Deep down inside I just know you wish Edsall was tearing it up so you can rub it in the anti Edsall group. Sorry your hero has disappointed.

I hope you are enjoying arguing with the voices in your head.

The only people worried about Maryland are the anti-Edsall posters who want to use their results to say something about what Edsall did at UConn. I noticed you haven't commented on Brown or Holtz because in doing so you'd have to admit your argument is moronic.

Harping on the win loss record of a program that used a true freshman linebacker at QB is pretty silly. Lets say they make the chip shot FG against NCSU and they get one stop on BC's final drive and finish 6-6. Are you still making these arguments?

It does not matter why Diggs is at Maryland, only that he is there. In case you've never noticed there is a bit of a correlation between where a player lives and where they go to school.

Jesus I get some of y'all have delusions of grandeur, but a decade into FBS going 8-5 year in and year out in an improving program.... You'd think the last two years would show you that was a pretty decent accomplishment. I can't wait to hear how next year's 3-9 campaign is Edsall's fault.
 
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Whaler what does Donald Brown or any player have to do with coaching. Great college players don't always make great pro players. Surely Donald Brown isn't the first college star you've heard of who's college success doesn't translate to the pros. I didn't address that because its as you say moronic. Funny you bring up Holtz, South Carolina certainly didntcregress under him that's for sure.

I think were arguing to different things. If you want to compare just what they did at UConn, Edsall is better hands down. When talking about how good a coach is I look at the whole record. That means P at Cuse and Edsall at UMD. Their abilities are pretty similar to me. Edsall is younger so he has that going for him.

To me Edsall is no different than Al groh at uva, or chan gailey at Georgia Tech. You're never going to get over the hump with those guys. That is not to say he is terrible because he isn't. He's just nothing special.

Since were talking hypothetical s, if Christen makes one fg, against Temple and were bowling instead of sitting home do you feel differently about P? Didn't think so.

I don't hide the fact that Edsall s personality through the media rubbed me the wrong way. When we lost it was always the "players didn't execute", when we beat ND, the first thing out his mouth was how proud he was ofctje coaches, not the players the coaches.

The day I began disliking Edsall was the day we got blown out against WVU in 2007, when he chose to be a dick to reporters trying to do their job and you know ask questions. If your going to be that type of lrick you better win like a Parcells or Calhoun.

To each their own. Hopefully when P is gone, so too will Edsall shadow be gone with him. I have repeated ly stated Edsall did a fine job here. The perfect guy for the transition, but nothing special long term like A Brian Kelly or Bill Snyder.
 
Whaler what does Donald Brown or any player have to do with coaching. Great college players don't always make great pro players. Surely Donald Brown isn't the first college star you've heard of who's college success doesn't translate to the pros. I didn't address that because its as you say moronic. Funny you bring up Holtz, South Carolina certainly didntcregress under him that's for sure.

I think were arguing to different things. If you want to compare just what they did at UConn, Edsall is better hands down. When talking about how good a coach is I look at the whole record. That means P at Cuse and Edsall at UMD. Their abilities are pretty similar to me. Edsall is younger so he has that going for him.

To me Edsall is no different than Al groh at uva, or chan gailey at Georgia Tech. You're never going to get over the hump with those guys. That is not to say he is terrible because he isn't. He's just nothing special.

Since were talking hypothetical s, if Christen makes one fg, against Temple and were bowling instead of sitting home do you feel differently about P? Didn't think so.

I don't hide the fact that Edsall s personality through the media rubbed me the wrong way. When we lost it was always the "players didn't execute", when we beat ND, the first thing out his mouth was how proud he was ofctje coaches, not the players the coaches.

The day I began disliking Edsall was the day we got blown out against WVU in 2007, when he chose to be a dick to reporters trying to do their job and you know ask questions. If your going to be that type of lrick you better win like a Parcells or Calhoun.

To each their own. Hopefully when P is gone, so too will Edsall shadow be gone with him. I have repeated ly stated Edsall did a fine job here. The perfect guy for the transition, but nothing special long term like A Brian Kelly or Bill Snyder.


You want to ding Edsall at UConn because of what happened at Maryland. Are you willing to ding Brown at UConn for what happened in Indianapolis?

The UConn beat reporters are so terrible they don't deserve the time of day. I can't even imagine why anyone would give a shit about someone being rude to them. We have 12 games to judge coaches. What they say to idiots in between games... Who gives a shit? Half the shit people killed Edsall for has been regurgitated by the walking corpse we currently have as a head coach - at least Edsall was beating MAC teams.

No one has ever compared Edsall to Snyder or Kelly. If you know who the next Brian Kelly is feel free to point them out now - it would be handy information for next December.

As for pining for Kelly:

A: read the Washington Post story about how Kelly's program is allowing rapists to play

B: take a quick spin on Google and read about how Kelly sent the student manager to his death.

But Edsall was mean to idiot reporters, and mentioned his coaches before his players..... How do you possibly rectify those points?
 
Kelly is a dirty, dirty man. Unsurprising ND fans are not calling for his ouster. Win at all costs.
 
It does not matter why Diggs is at Maryland, only that he is there. In case you've never noticed there is a bit of a correlation between where a player lives and where they go to school.

Except in Connecticut, where the grass is always greener elsewhere.
 
Is there any chance whatsoever you actually have a quote that anyone claims Edsall was forced out to bring in P? Even one in the two years since Edsall left?
I would like to interject something. I can't support it with evidence. I still find it interesting.

IMO, RE and JC had major problems with Hathaway. Hathaway did not back either coach in the most basic things - PR, academic accommodation, and support staff. JC and RE are polar opposite personalities. JC grumbles publicly, RE does things privately. JC will rebel openly, give someone the finger and move on, RE will follow the rules but resent things. The results of UConn's current situation can directly be linked to Hathaway.

Coaches at all institutions are squeezed between various competing interests and powers. There are those who are unwilling to compromise academic standards with athletes and those who are willing to compromise. Like it or not the majority, if not the overwhelming majority of universities are gaming the system when it comes to ensuring that athletes enter and stay at the universities and comply with NCAA rules. They have lowered standards of courses and attendance or fudged results or both.

JH refused to allow RE and JC the same option. If he did it on principles, I would have supported him. But JH was not a principled person. He was vindictive and his approach to the coaches was a power play only. To keep up the profile of the bb program in an environment where more and more schools were "cheating" at ever greater lengths, JC chose to accept players with character and academic issues. Most universities were doing the same but they created a system to reduce the impacts of those issues. The negative result of JC's decision was threefold. Problems developed which became public and impacted the reputation of JC and the program. The APR fiasco arose. And JC's health was impacted. JH imo fostered these things.

RE followed the rules. But the result was a plateauing of the program. His resentment of JH, and JH's unwillingness to bend the rules, resulted in his decision to bolt. There was no excuse for his approach to the players, but his resentment to JH and the university had been going on for years. Hence his poor approach to his exit.

There is a reason why PP was chosen by Hathaway. Hathaway does not like to be challenged, and when he is, he undermines the challenger. PP fit the mold of a person JH wants. He is quiet and non challenging. And if JH was going to chose someone else, Burton's actions ensured the hire of PP. Burton absolutely created his own PR fiasco with how he handled things. And he allowed JH to get public sympathy at the time he chose PP. But the choice by JH was to scr*w Burton and get a yes man into position. JH was not interested in pushing anything to the forefront other than himself, and this included football, basketball, academic standards, or fundraising.

When Sue Herbst was appointed president, she did what should have been done years earlier. She would have fired JH immediately, but legal restraints forced her to go through the protocols of examining the AD office. There were reasons JH went quietly and quickly after the report was finalized. And there are reasons, from JH's point of view, that he wanted the report sealed. Sue Herbst had no need to do otherwise. She just wanted him out of the university as quickly as possible.

After taking her position, President Herbst immediately reached out to JC to begin the mending process of a valuable asset to the university. It was too late for RE. The mess Sue Herbst inherited when she took over was considerable. No one knows how things will play out, but I like her at the helm. And if she supports WM, I'll support him as well even if I might disagree with some of his approaches to things. I recognize he is in a bind with how he has to approach things relative to the damage that was created by his predecessor, and, fairly or not, how much scrutiny the university is receiving from outside positions that have their own agendas.
 
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I would like to interject something. I can't support it with evidence. I still find it interesting.

IMO, RE and JC had major problems with Hathaway. Hathaway did not back either coach in the most basic things - PR, academic accommodation, and support staff. JC and RE are polar opposite personalities. JC grumbles publicly, RE does things privately. JC will rebel openly, give someone the finger and move on, RE will follow the rules but resent things. The results of UConn's current situation can directly be linked to Hathaway.

Coaches at all institutions are squeezed between various competing interests and powers. There are those who are unwilling to compromise academic standards with athletes and those who are willing to compromise. Like it or not the majority, if not the overwhelming majority of universities are gaming the system when it comes to ensuring that athletes enter and stay at the universities and comply with NCAA rules. They have lowered standards of courses and attendance or fudged results or both.

JH refused to allow RE and JC the same option. If he did it on principles, I would have supported him. But JH was not a principled person. He was vindictive and his approach to the coaches was a power play only. To keep up the profile of the bb program in an environment where more and more schools were "cheating" at ever greater lengths, JC chose to accept players with character and academic issues. Most universities were doing the same but they created a system to reduce the impacts of those issues. The negative result of JC's decision was threefold. Problems developed which became public and impacted the reputation of JC and the program. The APR fiasco arose. And JC's health was impacted. JH imo fostered these things.

RE followed the rules. But the result was a plateauing of the program. His resentment of JH, and JH's unwillingness to bend the rules, resulted in his decision to bolt. There was no excuse for his approach to the players, but his resentment to JH and the university had been going on for years. Hence his poor approach to his exit.

There is a reason why PP was chosen by Hathaway. Hathaway does not like to be challenged, and when he is, he undermines the challenger. PP fit the mold of a person JH wants. He is quiet and non challenging. And if JH was going to chose someone else, Burton's actions ensured the hire of PP. Burton absolutely created his own PR fiasco with how he handled things. And he allowed JH to get public sympathy at the time he chose PP. But the choice by JH was to scr*w Burton and get a yes man into position. JH was not interested in pushing anything to the forefront other than himself, and this included football, basketball, academic standards, or fundraising.

When Sue Herbst was appointed president, she did what should have been done years earlier. She would have fired JH immediately, but legal restraints forced her to go through the protocols of examining the AD office. There were reasons JH went quietly and quickly after the report was finalized. And there are reasons, from JH's point of view, that he wanted the report sealed. Sue Herbst had no need to do otherwise. She just wanted him out of the university as quickly as possible.

After taking her position, President Herbst immediately reached out to JC to begin the mending process of a valuable asset to the university. It was too late for RE. The mess Sue Herbst inherited when she took over was considerable. No one knows how things will play out, but I like her at the helm. And if she supports WM, I'll support him as well even if I might disagree with some of his approaches to things. I recognize he is in a bind with how he has to approach things relative to the damage that was created by his predecessor, and, fairly or not, how much scrutiny the university is receiving from outside positions that have their own agendas.

That is an absolutely great post.

While I will always believe that it was way too early to come to the conclusion that our football program had gone as high as it would with our former coach (I recognize the possibility but to reach that conclusion was too soon), I think you are spot on in terms of his relationship with Hathaway being a huge part of the cause behind his departure.
 
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