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We earn a 2 seed or 3 seed.

Jaydumo20 said:
You are correct, but we've won two since then
and the brand was kind of "down" before '23 nationally, but thats not my issue here.

they use a bunch of metrics. But they still vote. There are rules involved with who can be in the room when they discuss to try to eliminate bias etc. So there is variability- its not all done by computer and not every members ballot looks the same. Im not an expert but I'm pretty sure this is the case.

Also, im mainly talking about the UConn factor as difference between 1 maybe 2 seeding spots. The committee also usually gives favorable locations to Duke, the UConn women etc. in spite of their seasons, and preferential treatment to certain big name programs. Within reason of course. i.e. Kansas wont be a 1 seed
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I think Im saying that the metric they use mostly (WAB) favors UConn, but also objectively looking at wins, record, WAB, the 2 seed is what UConn deserves, and it's not because of brand if they get it. If UConn was some other BE school I believe they would also get a 2 seed
 
DCKembaFan said:
Not entirely a UConn comment, but it will be an absolute joke if Houston gets to play in Houston without being a 1 seed
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That would be unprecedented.

I posted elsewhere the closest comp was 2003 Kansas playing in Oklahoma State regional.

That was 316 miles from campus. Houston would be 3.

Ultimately we will be a 2 or 3 regardless of today's games. Michigan will win (most likely) and even if they don't they are maybe the 4th 1 seed now and nothing changes for them.

Houston put up a fight; we did not.
But Florida lost to a sub .500 team in their quarters like if we had lost to Georgetown.

It's somewhat likely Houston gets a 1 out of best of the rest. Equally likely is if Florida gets moved up to the 1 line in the South and Houston goes there as the top 2. Totally defensible for the committee.
 
upstater said:
I think Im saying that the metric they use mostly (WAB) favors UConn, but also objectively looking at wins, record, WAB, the 2 seed is what UConn deserves, and it's not because of brand if they get it. If UConn was some other BE school I believe they would also get a 2 seed
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I thought WAB mainly deals with Bubble teams? I'm not saying youre wrong. I really dont know
 
Lafayette said:
That would be unprecedented.

I posted elsewhere the closest comp was 2003 Kansas playing in Oklahoma State regional.

That was 316 miles from campus. Houston would be 3.
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Again, Purdue played in Indianapolis as a 4 seed, LAST YEAR.

Really strange comments on seeding and placements.
 
Jaydumo20 said:
I thought WAB mainly deals with Bubble teams? I'm not saying youre wrong. I really dont know
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It's a way to differentiate the quality of Quad 1 wins. How do differentiate between a win against Illinois and a win AT Northwestern? When it comes to racking Q1 wins, they both count the same.

I read where Gavitt has said that Auburn earned their surprise #1 seed on the basis of WAB.
 
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Lafayette said:
That would be unprecedented.

I posted elsewhere the closest comp was 2003 Kansas playing in Oklahoma State regional.

That was 316 miles from campus. Houston would be 3.

Ultimately we will be a 2 or 3 regardless of today's games. Michigan will win (most likely) and even if they don't they are maybe the 4th 1 seed now and nothing changes for them.

Houston put up a fight; we did not.
But Florida lost to a sub .500 team in their quarters like if we had lost to Georgetown.

It's somewhat likely Houston gets a 1 out of best of the rest. Equally likely is if Florida gets moved up to the 1 line in the South and Houston goes there as the top 2. Totally defensible for the committee.
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BFieldHusky said:
Again, Purdue played in Indianapolis as a 4 seed, LAST YEAR.

Really strange comments on seeding and placements.
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Yup. We played in the Boston regional 87 miles from Storrs two years ago and who knows how many times UNC and Duke have been assigned to Greensboro and Charlotte regionals over the years. This stuff happens a lot
 
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DCKembaFan said:
Not entirely a UConn comment, but it will be an absolute joke if Houston gets to play in Houston without being a 1 seed
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It's semantics, as flipping Florida and Houston seeds wouldn't matter at all. But I agree Houston engineering a basic home game if they make the 2nd Weekend is BS.
 
jibsey said:
What is St. John’s?
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I thought they deserved at the worse a three. I know there are several good team but a five. They finished first in the BE and won the conference tourney. They have a great coach. There are not 16 better teams.
 
Jaydumo20 said:
We will be a 2 seed. But I think this is the first time, as a 35 year Husky fan, where I think we are over-seeded. For anyone who thinks the NCAA has it in for us, this year should erase that idea. They believe in the brand and our tourney history and will reward us as such. We've earned the benefit of the doubt. Go Huskies
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At the worse UCONN would have fallen to a three. Two seems right to me. The twos can all beat any of the ones. UCONN and Duke both not playing with full rosters makes them a little more vulnerable but I think they are the class of the East.
 
Greg said:
I thought they deserved at the worse a three. I know there are several good team but a five. They finished first in the BE and won the conference tourney. They have a great coach. There are not 16 better teams.
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The whole season matters, and SJU beat nobody out of conference.
 
Excalibur said:
The whole season matters, and SJU beat nobody out of conference.
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I dislike St. John’s and their fans number one but their OOC failure and our success was a long time ago at the very early season. They sucked then the BE started. The late season trend is we are playing worse than a 2 seed with those late losses and they are playing better than a 5. We are 5-3 in our last 8 games with losses to bad Marquette, bad Creighton and St. John’s. They are 7-1 with the loss to us. The trend is they are improving and we are worsening.
I’d like this not to be true and we all hope this team gets back to what we did.
So the question arises, is this the result of BE style of play and reffing? This is what Hurley has basically alluded to in his comments.
We will all know soon.
 
Their best wins are us twice then @ Villanova. Their OOC resume was more like a non-tourney team if anything, it was that bad.

5 seed makes perfect sense since the committee doesn’t just view the last 8 games. Even Bracket Matrix clocked this.
 
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jibsey said:
I dislike St. John’s and their fans number one but their OOC failure and our success was a long time ago at the very early season. They sucked then the BE started. The late season trend is we are playing worse than a 2 seed with those late losses and they are playing better than a 5. We are 5-3 in our last 8 games with losses to bad Marquette, bad Creighton and St. John’s. They are 7-1 with the loss to us. The trend is they are improving and we are worsening.
I’d like this not to be true and we all hope this team gets back to what we did.
So the question arises, is this the result of BE style of play and reffing? This is what Hurley has basically alluded to in his comments.
We will all know soon.
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Almost everyone goes through peaks and valleys. I know there were several close wins and some losses. Alot has to do with the league understanding what CT is trying to do.
 
jibsey said:
I dislike St. John’s and their fans number one but their OOC failure and our success was a long time ago at the very early season. They sucked then the BE started. The late season trend is we are playing worse than a 2 seed with those late losses and they are playing better than a 5. We are 5-3 in our last 8 games with losses to bad Marquette, bad Creighton and St. John’s. They are 7-1 with the loss to us. The trend is they are improving and we are worsening.
I’d like this not to be true and we all hope this team gets back to what we did.
So the question arises, is this the result of BE style of play and reffing? This is what Hurley has basically alluded to in his comments.
We will all know soon.
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The committee hasn't considered "how a team is playing lately" in a while. It's a question of who had the best season overall. By every metric we did, despite my and others' reservations about how far we can actually go. Recent performance may matter for betting/prediction purposes, but it doesn't matter for seeding.
 
I have a college buddy who is a diehard St. John's fan. He has been up in arms since the brackets came out about how St. John's should be seeded where UConn is. When I explaining that we beat a 1, 3, and 6 seed on neutral floors, have an away victory vs a 4 seed, and even a home win against Texas in the OOC, he responded "yeah but that was early in the season."

My analogy to him, and to others, is imagine your favorite NFL team wins it's first two games of the season on the road against division opponents. Those games count just as much as Week 17/18.
 
BFieldHusky said:
I have a college buddy who is a diehard St. John's fan. He has been up in arms since the brackets came out about how St. John's should be seeded where UConn is. When I explaining that we beat a 1, 3, and 6 seed on neutral floors, have an away victory vs a 4 seed, and even a home win against Texas in the OOC, he responded "yeah but that was early in the season."

My analogy to him, and to others, is imagine your favorite NFL team wins it's first two games of the season on the road against division opponents. Those games count just as much as Week 17/18.
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There’s many weird takes by SJU fans. Some even suggest they should be #2 seed instead of UConn since they have 2-1 record va UConn this season. They lost their minds based on one game.
 
Greg said:
Almost everyone goes through peaks and valleys. I know there were several close wins and some losses. Alot has to do with the league understanding what CT is trying to do.
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This is exactly why I'm glad it worked out that we're not in the same region as Florida. Their players have already prepared for and played us twice in the last calendar year.
 
The St John's complaining is a little irrelevant to me. I probably would have had them as a 4 seed given all the success during the back half of the season but I also wouldn't have put Kansas anywhere close to a 4 seed. If you ignore the seeding numbers I think they actually got a pretty favorable 2nd round matchup and after that, they were always going to get one of the #1 seeds in the sweet 16. Duke with their injuries may also turn out to be more favorable than playing any of the other three #1s.
 
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lateralous said:
The St John's complaining is a little irrelevant to me. I probably would have had them as a 4 seed given all the success during the back half of the season but I also wouldn't have put Kansas anywhere close to a 4 seed. If you ignore the seeding numbers I think they actually got a pretty favorable 2nd round matchup and after that, they were always going to get one of the #1 seeds in the sweet 16. Duke with their injuries may also turn out to be more favorable than playing any of the other three #1s.
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Duke won the ACC title with those injuries. Any word on their players?
 
I guess I'll say this. It's a few days before our first NCAA game and IDGAF about St John's seed. They spent the 24 hrs after their BET win talking about how Pitino is the greatest college coach of all time, then proceed to switch gears to how they should have gotten a 4 instead of a 5 seed? Talk about a fan base that's not used to being relevant....
 
Excalibur said:
The committee hasn't considered "how a team is playing lately" in a while. It's a question of who had the best season overall. By every metric we did, despite my and others' reservations about how far we can actually go. Recent performance may matter for betting/prediction purposes, but it doesn't matter for seeding.
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And shouldn’t.
 
jibsey said:
Duke won the ACC title with those injuries. Any word on their players?
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Spoke to a Duke alum and big time fan this morning. The Center they don’t know if he’ll be back, and if so how healthy, for the second weekend. They don’t expect the PG will be ready to play earlier than the Final Four, if then. This isn’t like the old days where everyone would get a shot and play through as much pain as they could. Everyone today, quite rationally, is worried about protecting their health (and thus ability to earn) long term.
 
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