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[ZooCougar]

I just wrote a huge Spackleresque rambling post, I pressed the wrong key on the keyboard and POOF it's gone. We're probably all better off for it too.

Bottom line up front: Assuming the ACC decides to replace Maryland with someone soon, the whole question will be settled on how many votes UConn can win. If Louisville is really being considered and Tom Jurich is pushing for it, then we could have a real problem on our hands.

The implied task is that Herbst and Warde are polling their ACC contacts and counting votes. Which has probably been a ongoing process since last fall.

Aside from academics, there isn't much to differentiate us from them. We have slightly more basketball cache, they have much more football cache. If the football centric schools like Clemson and FSU say they want Louisville and the rest of the ACC is cowed by the prospect of them leaving for the Big 12, then expect the ACC to be held hostage by that threat. UConn just isn't worth it the prospect of even more instability.

Louisville may have an inside track to the Big 12 that we don't know about, and this is a non-issue. Or Jurich might play the ACC and use that to force the Big 12 to make a move. That would be brilliant.

Lastly Here is my completely ignorant take on how schools in the ACC might vote, and I think the vast majority of them are undecided, but I could be completely wrong

Clemson: Louisville
FSU: Louisville
Miami: Swing but may be a Louisville lean...
Georgia Tech: Swing but I suspect a UConn lean
UNC: UConn
NC State: Swing
Wake Forest: UConn
Duke: UConn
UVA: Swing
Virginia Tech:Swing
Pitt:Swing
Syracuse: Swing
BC: Swing
ND: Swing

 

[Pudge]

That ain't the way it happens.

That's the Tranghese methodology. Swofford does whatever --- he wants. Maybe checks the UNC people for a thumbs up.

 

[ZooCougar]

That ain't the way it happens.

That's the Tranghese methodology. Swofford does whatever --- he wants. Maybe checks the UNC people for a thumbs up.

It isn't anywhere near that simple. Swofford actually develops a plan and then he sells it. The ACC may be at a tipping point. If he wants UConn and the FSU group does not it will not be that straight forward. There will be a vote, just like there was last time.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

FSU, Clemson, Miami - Louisville

NC St, VT - On the fence.

UNC, UVA, Duke, Wake, GT, Cuse (if they get to vote), Pitt (if they get to vote), ND (if they get to vote), BC - UConn

 

[ZooCougar]

FSU, Clemson, Miami - Louisville

NC St, VT - On the fence.

UNC, UVA, Duke, Wake, GT, Cuse (if they get to vote), Pitt (if they get to vote), ND (if they get to vote), BC - UConn

That's a majority for us. If ND gets to vote. I am not so sure that SyraPitt is in our corner, but I hope you are right.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You guys are way off.

Wake, Miami, VTech, Uva, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Wake would NEVER vote for Louisville over UConn because of academics alone. There isn't even a debate about it.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

UConn's biggest risk is that the ACC sits on 13 football schools. I think, as do most analysts looking at the situation, that Louisville is not under serious consideration at this point.

 

[TuxedoYoda]

The "football" schools of the ACC will be furious if Lville is passed over. Just the way it is......

FYI - Lville had an inside track to the Big 12 when it looked like the ACC schools were all solid because of the ND addition. Now that a charter member is ejecting, the Big 12 feels FSU & Clemson are available again. Let's be honest, the SEC and the Big 12 (maybe even the Big 10) are eyeing additional ACC schools. The ACC is most likely going to be gutted. Why should Uconn bother considering a move at this moment.....it is likely that the leftovers of the ACC & the Big East will merger into a stud basketball conference anyway.

 

[willie99]

what about TV? we help with a much bigger market

although that hasn't done us any good yet

 

[Vuce]

Why should Uconn bother considering a move at this moment......

Are you asking that question with a straight face?

 

[ZooCougar]

UConn's biggest risk is that the ACC sits on 13 football schools. I think, as do most analysts looking at the situation, that Louisville is not under serious consideration at this point.

Thanks for adding nothing. The whole idea of the thread was to discuss what would happen if there was a decision to replace Maryland.

 

[ZooCougar]

The "football" schools of the ACC will be furious if Lville is passed over. Just the way it is......

FYI - Lville had an inside track to the Big 12 when it looked like the ACC schools were all solid because of the ND addition. Now that a charter member is ejecting, the Big 12 feels FSU & Clemson are available again. Let's be honest, the SEC and the Big 12 (maybe even the Big 10) are eyeing additional ACC schools. The ACC is most likely going to be gutted. Why should Uconn bother considering a move at this moment.....it is likely that the leftovers of the ACC & the Big East will merger into a stud basketball conference anyway.

I'll take a gutted ACC over the NNBE. It just puts us back to where we were a year or two ago, only with more schools with similar missions and interests and a bid to the Orange Bowl.

 

[ZooCougar]

You guys are way off.

Wake, Miami, VTech, Uva, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Wake would NEVER vote for Louisville over UConn because of academics alone. There isn't even a debate about it.

I hope you're right. But you rarely are, so that gives me cause to worry.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The "football" schools of the ACC will be furious if Lville is passed over. Just the way it is......

FYI - Lville had an inside track to the Big 12 when it looked like the ACC schools were all solid because of the ND addition. Now that a charter member is ejecting, the Big 12 feels FSU & Clemson are available again. Let's be honest, the SEC and the Big 12 (maybe even the Big 10) are eyeing additional ACC schools. The ACC is most likely going to be gutted. Why should Uconn bother considering a move at this moment.....it is likely that the leftovers of the ACC & the Big East will merger into a stud basketball conference anyway.

Nope. Just because you say it on twitter over and over does not mean it is true. The ACC is good enough to get a FSU or Clemson into the playoff, but not so hard that the route is impossible. FSU cares about cash and access. They are not happy about the cash, but UConn or Louisville is not going to move that needle, and with the playoff money the extra $3-5MM doesn't seem so bad.

The Big 12 has turned down FSU and Clemson already. Do those strike you as the kind of schools that like to be publicly rejected, and then will come back again?

 

[ZooCougar]

Nope. Just because you say it on twitter over and over does not mean it is true.

You should take your own advice. It's a legitimate point he is making. Some of the ACC schools might push hard for a member with stronger football. That's not out of left field like 100% of your arguments.

The ACC is good enough to get a FSU or Clemson into the playoff, but not so hard that the route is impossible. FSU cares about cash and access. They are not happy about the cash, but UConn or Louisville is not going to move that needle, and with the playoff money the extra $3-5MM doesn't seem so bad.

Not true. FSU's decline coincides with the SEC's rise. There is a common opinion out there that FSU is the way it is because it can't recruit at the same level in the ACC. The same could be said about Clemson. Both schools could be looking to shake things up.

The Big 12 has turned down FSU and Clemson already. Do those strike you as the kind of schools that like to be publicly rejected, and then will come back again?

They may change their minds. And we don't even know the truth behind that. The Big 12 will expand to 12 at some point, they may go as high as 14.

 

[Doggie Style]

You guys are way off.

Wake, Miami, VTech, Uva, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Wake would NEVER vote for Louisville over UConn because of academics alone. There isn't even a debate about it.

This is what I'm thinking, but its not as cut and dry as you say. Behind the scenes there is definitely splintering amongst the original ACC schools hence the Maryland departure. It could go in ANY direction at this point......

 

[Doggie Style]

The "football" schools of the ACC will be furious if Lville is passed over. Just the way it is......

FYI - Lville had an inside track to the Big 12 when it looked like the ACC schools were all solid because of the ND addition. Now that a charter member is ejecting, the Big 12 feels FSU & Clemson are available again. Let's be honest, the SEC and the Big 12 (maybe even the Big 10) are eyeing additional ACC schools. The ACC is most likely going to be gutted. Why should
Uconn bother considering a move at this moment.....it is likely that the leftovers of the ACC
& the Big East will merger into a stud basketball conference anyway.

Well that's easy..... Because there are NO OTHER OPTIONS!!!!

 

[ZooCougar]

This is what I'm thinking, but its not as cut and dry as you say. Behind the scenes there is definitely splintering amongst the original ACC schools hence the Maryland departure. It could go in ANY direction at this point......

Then we need to find out which splinter the NC schools belong to and tell them when we are in the ACC, then we are the newest member of their coalition. Those schools have influence, they will get us the votes we need. This is how you force what you want to happen to actually happen.

 

[Doggie Style]

Then we need to find out which splinter the NC schools belong to and tell them when we are in the ACC, then we are the newest member of their coalition. Those schools have influence, they will get us the votes we need. This is how you force what you want to happen to actually happen.

I have some friends out of Chapel Hill, and the sports radio shows down there were in favor of Uconn coming in last time around. We know that's mostly on account of hoops but we'll take it. The real issue is that GTech,FSU,Clemson are not happy w/ the way UNC & Duke wield so much power politically when these those programs are historic football powers. My concern is tha things are chippy already behind the scenes in the ACC and those southern schools vote against tobacco row's wishes just out of principle/spite, whatever...... And we pay the price for it.

 

[06029]

ND will not have a vote at all. They will have an opinion but they are not close to being in the conference yet as a full member. Same with Pitt and Cuse. I am sure all 3 will be on a call but when the secret ballot takes place, they will not be in the room.

And don't write off FSU. This weekend they can jump about 4 places in the poll if they beat FL. And Clemson, much like WVU, needs to recruit some defensive players. If they do that, they are a top 5-10 team. Both those teams have SEC speed where it counts on offense.

 

[ZooCougar]

I have some friends out of Chapel Hill, and the sports radio shows down there were in favor of Uconn coming in last time around. We know that's mostly on account of hoops but we'll take it. The real issue is that GTech,FSU,Clemson are not happy w/ the way UNC & Duke wield so much power politically when these those programs are historic football powers. My concern is tha things are chippy already behind the scenes in the ACC and those southern schools vote against tobacco row's wishes just out of principle/spite, whatever...... And we pay the price for it.

I think Duke and Company's group will outnumber the FSU/Clemson group. I think they can get us UVA, BC, Wake, NC State, UNC, Duke, Miami, Syracuse and Pitt at a minimum. One would think that Herbst might be able to work Georgia Tech as well, but they may be trying to get out of the ACC no matter what.

 

[ZooCougar]

ND will not have a vote at all. They will have an opinion but they are not close to being in the conference yet as a full member. Same with Pitt and Cuse. I am sure all 3 will be on a call but when the secret ballot takes place, they will not be in the room.

How do you know that? ND, Pitt and Syracuse are all stakeholders. Pitt and Syracuse certainly have a bigger stake, if I were SyraPitt I would not be pleased in not having a say.

 

[Doggie Style]

I think Duke and Company's group will outnumber the FSU/Clemson group. I think they can get us UVA, BC, Wake, NC State, UNC, Duke, Miami, Syracuse and Pitt at a minimum. One would think that Herbst might be able to work Georgia Tech as well, but they may be trying to get out of the ACC no matter what.

Maybe we should throw the game at The Garden against NC State in return for their vote......

 

[The Funster]

I think we'd be the ACC's #1 choice. I think FSU & Clemson would be against it but would live with it. L'ville and Cincy would go to the Big 12

 

[ZooCougar]

Maybe we should throw the game at The Garden against NC State in return for their vote......

If ND has a vote, we should agree to play 5 games on the moon against them if it means the difference between getting left out in the cold and a secure future.