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Message: [QUOTE="Tenspro2002, post: 3433087, member: 889"] This. He would be a Craig Austrie type with more athleticism. Vital was a key guy early in his career as one of the only guys to play hard and play with pride on those KO teams. He's tough, he plays great defense, he rebounds terrifically for a guard. He gets tremendous respect for all of that. But his play on the offensive end almost always strikes you as the kind of play you'd expect from the leader of a losing team -- forced drives into traffic, ill-advised and heat-check 3's early in the shot clock, hero ball late. We're trying to move beyond those habits. That's where the frustration comes from. He was better yesterday, but the lack of winning throughout his tenure -- and his style of play being emblematic of it -- is a reason why he isn't a universal favorite. [/QUOTE]