Villanova is the Blueprint

[CL82]

1.) You're a fan. Great. Not as many people get as jazzed about Yankee Conference history... well, no one does. I'd be willing to bet 75%+ of posters on this board even know about that let alone care about it.

Lol, backing off the whole "experiement, no history" thing I see. Maybe be better educated on a topic before you go off making nonsense statements?

2.) Read the end of the tweet, Corky. I know you can. He's received $28,000 in performance incentives this season for being 1-7.

That's not what you said. What you said was that Edsall made $28,000 losing to UMass. That's not true. It's okay to admit that you are wrong. Again, by any measure, paying a FBS football coach $1M is extraordinarily inexpensive.

3.) It's not $1 million. It's that, but also the $9.5 million buy out for Diaco, $750K buy out for Pasqualoni... That's a ton of money to pay to move backwards, you don't think?

Yeah, that's not what we are are paying Edsall, right? Again those are sunk costs that we incur regardless of whether we field a football team. Do you understand the difference?

One final piece of advice:

 

[Adios]

No - i've just spent 15 years of my life in and around college athletics.

It sucks, I don't like it any more than you do.... but no - they don't need UConn to grab the TV market - or enough of it to move the needle. This is why the ACC and B1G are trying to put their things in MSG. Notice they haven't invited us along for the ride.

I went to UConn while we were FCS. And?

Notice we've been on the radars of both conferences, only one publicly.

 

[Towney007]

Lol, backing off the whole "experiement, no history" thing I see. Maybe be better educated on a topic before you go off making nonsense statements?

That's not what you said. What you said was that Edsall made $28,000 losing to UMass. That's not true. It's okay to admit that you are wrong. Again, by any measure, paying a FBS football coach $1M is extraordinarily inexpensive.


Yeah, that's not what we are are paying Edsall, right? Again those are sunk costs that we incur regardless of whether we field a football team. Do you understand the difference?

One final piece of advice:
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1.) Not backing off it at all. This school has no meaningful football history to anyone that matters in big time college football. Maybe to some alums and homers who can't let it go - but no one cares about the Yankee Conference or ever did, for that matter. They definitely don't care about the program these days. Hey - AIC made the DII Final Four in 1969 w/ Jim Calhoun on the team, so I guess the Big East should be knocking on the door any day now.

2.) Are you Okay with a coach getting performance incentives for putting together a 1-7 team that just lost to UMass and puts game plans together and play calls according to the weather? He got $4,000 for the UMass game. He's received $28,000 in performance bonuses this season. He's made nearly a full time normal human's salary for being indescribably bad at his job. If you're okay with that, then you deserve what you have. You're entitled to want to believe in the dream. You're just going to be really, really, really disappointed.

3.) Who cares what Edsall is getting paid? You could put the coach from Xavarian on the field and pay him $50k a year to get a win over Maine and then get blown out by everyone else. For what he's giving you - he's not worth $1 million even. Which should tell you about the viability of the program as a whole if that's the best we can do.

4.) /Meme

 

[Towney007]

I went to UConn while we were FCS. And?

Notice we've been on the radars of both conferences, only one publicly.

On the radar? Hahaa really? On the radar?

The ACC isn't interested at all right now. The B1G isn't either.

Both are trying to run events in New York City because they can. The ACC already has. And they're going to continue doing so and spray their stuff all over ESPN and expanding their brand recognition in that market without adding UConn or anyone for that matter. Meanwhile, our hoops team is playing on ESPN the Ocho because our AD is trying to salvage the steaming remains of a football program no one cares about and building a $45 million, 500 seat hockey arena we don't have money for.

That's reality.

I swear you're like the nerdy girl who's been sitting on the curb of the road waiting for the prom king to come pick her up but hasn't realized he was joking yet.

Football doesn't have 4-5 years. It's dead. It's best shot is Danny Hurley coaches UConn basketball real good and takes enough eyes off them so they can quasi-justify their existence for MAYBE another round of realignment. That's literally the only hope. Football isn't fixing football.

 

[CL82]

1.) Not backing off it at all. This school has no meaningful football history to anyone that matters in big time college football.

Again, not what you said. You said UConn football was an experiment without history. That was flat out wrong. You have an issue with admitting when you are wrong, not just on the board but generally. Am I right?

2.) Are you Okay with a coach getting performance incentives for putting together a 1-7 team

Did you read the link? There was no incentive for putting together a 1-7 team. You understand that right?

He's made nearly a full time normal human's salary for being indescribably bad at his job.

Yeah not at all sure what you are trying to say? Are you upset by the amount of money paid to college's coaches generally? Sorry the market is what it is. Here's the thing though. Coaching salaries in all money sports are only going one direction, up. P5 programs are going to drive that. If a school isn't a P5 program, it will be left behind. P5 is the term to describe the 5 biggest BCS football conferences. If we don't have a BCS program we will be squeezed out. But given your handle, maybe that's what you are rooting for? No more traffic, am I right?

3.) Who cares what Edsall is getting paid?

Lol, well it's pretty apparent that you do right?

 

[ZenConn]

UConn is the blueprint for UConn.

^^^^ This. We created the blueprint for ourselves and the architect is still around. We just need to follow it and we'll be good.

 

[Towney007]

Again, not what you said. You said UConn football was an experiment without history. That was flat out wrong. You have an issue with admitting when you are wrong, not just on the board but generally. Am I right?

Did you read the link? There was no incentive for putting together a 1-7 team. You understand that right?

Yeah not at all sure what you are trying to say? Are you upset by the amount of money paid to college's coaches generally? Sorry the market is what it is. Here's the thing though. Coaching salaries in all money sports are only going one direction, up. P5 programs are going to drive that. If a school isn't a P5 program, it will be left behind. P5 is the term to describe the 5 biggest BCS football conferences. If we don't have a BCS program we will be squeezed out. But given your handle, maybe that's what you are rooting for? No more traffic, am I right?

Lol, well it's pretty apparent that you do right?

This is circular at this point.

1.) It has no history. If people don't care about it your history, it's pretty well meaningless as a thing to be used for marketing purposes and to sell the program.

Do you honestly think an 18 year old kid gives two craps that UConn we co-champs in the Yankee Conference in DII 18,000 years ago? Honestly.

Do you think the tipping point for Texas in deciding whether to let us into the Big XII is our history of beating Maine?

Do you really think anyone not on the football team at the time or just completely past drunk on all things UConn care?

They don't. So they don't have a history that's useful. Yes, they existed, congrats to them, they're still breathing.

2.) I'm going to spell it out because this is really, really hard for you, I get it.

-Randy Edsall has done a bad job.
-Performance incentives are for doing a good job.
-The team is doing really poorly, worse, in-fact - than nearly every single team in Division-1 football right now
-Why are you ok with a coach getting $28,000 in performance incentives for this? You clearly want P5 treatment but don't carry P5 standards.

3.) Hope floats, I guess. You're just going to be disappointed.


The only P5 conference on the table at all anymore is the Big East. Maybe.

 

[CL82]

This is circular at this point.

1.) It has no history. If people don't care about it your history, it's pretty well meaningless as a thing to be used for marketing purposes and to sell the program.

Do you honestly think an 18 year old kid gives two craps that UConn we co-champs in the Yankee Conference in DII 18,000 years ago? Honestly.

Do you think the tipping point for Texas in deciding whether to let us into the Big XII is our history of beating Maine?

Do you really think anyone not on the football team at the time or just completely past drunk on all things UConn care?

They don't. So they don't have a history that's useful. Yes, they existed, congrats to them, they're still breathing.

2.) I'm going to spell it out because this is really, really hard for you, I get it.

-Randy Edsall has done a bad job.
-Performance incentives are for doing a good job.
-The team is doing really poorly, worse, in-fact - than nearly every single team in Division-1 football right now
-Why are you ok with a coach getting $28,000 in performance incentives for this?

3.) Hope floats, I guess. You're just going to be disappointed.


The only P5 conference on the table at all anymore is the Big East. Maybe.

So I feel like I guessed wrong on not treating you like a troll, at least on this issue, but just sum up:

1) The fact that you weren't aware that we've been playing football in Storrs doesn't mean that we don't have a long history playing football, it just means you are ill-informed. Likewise the fact that you weren't aware that UConn football has won 17 championships doesn't mean that they never happened, it just means you are ill-informed. See the trend?

2) Randy Edsall in his second year of the rebuild. He may succeed, he may not, but anyone who even tangentially follows sports understands that it is too soon to tell. You aren't expecting Hurley to win a natty this year are you?

3) Randy's deal is that he took a low salary that was incentive laden. That's the agreement. He's entitled to those incentives whenever he hit's them. That's not a hard concept.

Feel free to get the last word is if you'd like. I'm out, since it seems clear that you aren't interested in a rational conversation.

 

[HooperScooper]

I haven't read this entire thread so someone could have said this already, but wasn't UConn the blueprint and Villanova copied UConn? They've just done it better very recently than we have.

 

[kansashusky]

If UConn is the blue print, why isn't Villanova in the AAC?

 

[polycom]

So only a few years until the bubble bursts. Good to know.

Live sports is the only thing that really sells...

 

[Scrutineer]

If UConn is the blue print, why isn't Villanova in the AAC?

We took their Defensive Coordinator so they can't play at as high a level as UConn.

 

[superjohn]

Of course you can make exactly the same argument for basketball, right? Are you advocating we fire Hurley and shut down that as well?
Again, that argument applies to basketball as well. Of course Hurley appears to have turned it on it's head.
Haha, have a link for that?

Edsall's base is $1M which phenomenally low. Randy's comp is probably not the best place to try and attack football.
Sure it has. That "new" facility contributed to two Big East Conference Championships and Fiesta Bowl berth. Regardless, it is a sunk cost and frankly that works against your premise to downgrade or disband football right? We've already made the major capital outlay. Not to utilize assets which are in the prime of their useful life is horrific fiscal planning.
You could not be more wrong.
I guess I was mistaken... you are even "more wrong" with this hot take.

How on earth did this get some likes? Dude, compared UConn basketball to UConn football.

 

[Scrutineer]

Let's take a break from the detour into a pis__ng contest and talk about the title of this epoch, Villanova.

It's amazing how Jay Wright has been elevated in accomplishments and stature in the last FIVE years. Except for 05/06, he wallowed in mediocrity for his first 12 years at Villanova, including 13-19 in 11/12 and 20-14 in 12/13.

In the five years since, he's had great winning records each year but went out in the round of 32 three times and won the National Championship the other two years. Not a criticism, but all we heard for his first twelve years was how well dressed he was because there was not much else to praise.

I may be wrong, but wasn't Ollie in the mix for Hart and Brunson? If he lost them due to his lack of effort in recruiting, as some say, Jay Wright was the beneficiary and instead of two NC's he might still be looking for his first Final Four.

 

[intlzncster]

We were passed on when we actually had a decent football program. Now the landscape is vastly different and top tier football has passed us by. No football conference wants us and we don't provide anything they don't already have. So lets just keep throwing money we don't have/make at a dead football program?

You look at the landscape and see what is, not what could be. Can't operate like that.

We were passed largely because of some shenanigans (BC) and shortsightedness. I'm willing to bet we'd be in next time if conferences are looking to add. That last bit is what decides our fate.

 

[intlzncster]

I haven't read this entire thread so someone could have said this already, but wasn't UConn the blueprint and Villanova copied UConn? They've just done it better very recently than we have.

The blueprint is to hire a Hall of Fame coach. That's it really.

 

[intlzncster]

We were competitive in football and winning basketball championships left and right and they told us to take a hike, surely they'll want us if we somehow miraculously become mildly competitive.

If they are looking to add, who is our competition? That's what you have to look at. We have a pretty good resume among who's out there.

If they aren't looking to add, we're !@#%#$!.

 

[superjohn]

If they are looking to add, who is our competition? That's what you have to look at. We have a pretty good resume among who's out there.

If they aren't looking to add, we're !@#%#$!.

We had a better resume than everyone added last time.

 

[StunningSteve]

If UConn is the blue print, why isn't Villanova in the AAC?

Nova tried to upgrade to FBS and were more inept at securing a worthy stadium than UMASS.

NBE just had mass defections and lost another signature coach to the ACC. That most definitely is no haven for UConn. How is St John’s and Georgetown recruiting working out?? Those are 2 of their premier brands and their recruiting is mediocre at best.

As was said, FB $$$ drives TV deals. The next AAC contract puts UConn in a better situation, on a much better network.

 

[intlzncster]

We had a better resume than everyone added last time.

Yes, and we got screwed by politics, incompetence, and I'm guessing a fair bit of under the table dealing. What can you do? The disparity is even more striking for the next round.

No harm in being patient. If we don't get selected, then make some decisions.

 

[CL82]

Nova tried to upgrade to FBS and were more inept at securing a worthy stadium than UMASS.

NBE just had mass defections and lost another signature coach to the ACC. That most definitely is no haven for UConn. How is St John’s and Georgetown recruiting working out?? Those are 2 of their premier brands and their recruiting is mediocre at best.

As was said, FB $$$ drives TV deals. The next AAC contract puts UConn in a better situation, on a much better network.

IIRC, Nova balked and then passed on the upgrade. I actually think that that might helped stabilize the BE had they done it.

 

[Towney007]

Yes, and we got screwed by politics, incompetence, and I'm guessing a fair bit of under the table dealing. What can you do? The disparity is even more striking for the next round.

No harm in being patient. If we don't get selected, then make some decisions.

I love your optimism - and in all honestly i'm with you in being patient and not making a move for the sake of it. I'm fine waiting for that next round of realignment - assuming that happens. But I just don't think we realistically have much of any kind of shot at this point - And if we do get in, we'll get into a P5 *in spite* of our football program, not because of it.

 

[intlzncster]

I love your optimism - and in all honestly i'm with you in being patient and not making a move for the sake of it. I'm fine waiting for that next round of realignment - assuming that happens. But I just don't think we realistically have much of any kind of shot at this point - And if we do get in, we'll get into a P5 *in spite* of our football program, not because of it.

I'm not banking on it per se. Just that it's a silly idea to kill the football program now. There's an appropriate time to have that conversation (after the next round). If we're out in the cold, we'll take stock and move on from there. Who knows how the AAC will be at that point? Maybe BB is on the come for this league.

 

[Towney007]

I'm not banking on it per se. Just that it's a silly idea to kill the football program now. There's an appropriate time to have that conversation (after the next round). If we're out in the cold, we'll take stock and move on from there. Who knows how the AAC will be at that point? Maybe BB is on the come for this league.

I mean i'm pretty direct in that i'm fine if they killed it now. There's still obvious downside to it and after possible realignment - there wouldn't be any.

I'm actually pretty optimistic about this conferences ability to build on itself as a hoops conference and in many regards it has. Had Memphis not flushed itself and remained mostly competitive and had we not gone down the drain - we'd be in a really fantastic spot, overall. Houston has made big strides as much as Sampson makes me want to grab a vomit bag. I think Dunleavy can make Tulane decent and bring it up to the level of say - a Temple or a Tulsa - where they can field a tournament team every now and then. So long as Wichita keeps their coaching staff in place - they're a super add. UCF has been perfectly fine and we honestly couldn't ask much more from them considering where they started from.

I guess what i'm saying - to my original point - is football's best hope is the hoops program gets good enough again quickly enough to take some heat off them and make enough noise to make it appealing in realignment. Basketball is football's best bet.

 

[Adios]

On the radar? Hahaa really? On the radar?

The ACC isn't interested at all right now. The B1G isn't either.

Both are trying to run events in New York City because they can. The ACC already has. And they're going to continue doing so and spray their stuff all over ESPN and expanding their brand recognition in that market without adding UConn or anyone for that matter. Meanwhile, our hoops team is playing on ESPN the Ocho because our AD is trying to salvage the steaming remains of a football program no one cares about and building a $45 million, 500 seat hockey arena we don't have money for.

That's reality.

I swear you're like the nerdy girl who's been sitting on the curb of the road waiting for the prom king to come pick her up but hasn't realized he was joking yet.

Football doesn't have 4-5 years. It's dead. It's best shot is Danny Hurley coaches UConn basketball real good and takes enough eyes off them so they can quasi-justify their existence for MAYBE another round of realignment. That's literally the only hope. Football isn't fixing football.

You are clueless. That's a lot of time wasted on nonsense.

 

[Towney007]

You are clueless. That's a lot of time wasted on nonsense.

I'll be sure to check your schedule next time I post.

 

[Adios]

I'll be sure to check your schedule next time I post.

Go right ahead. Your whining is useless.

 

[xclamations]

Id say Gonzaga is the blueprint. Theyre in a weak conference like uconn. But have a loyal coach. Im not so sure hurley is mark few as far as that goes once he gets the ball rolling

 

[Towney007]

Go right ahead. Your whining is useless.

And your whining about my whining is more useless.

 

[intlzncster]

Id say Gonzaga is the blueprint. Theyre in a weak conference like uconn. But have a loyal coach. Im not so sure hurley is mark few as far as that goes once he gets the ball rolling

While I'm not knocking the sentiment, AAC >>>>>>>>>>>> WCC. That kinda accentuates your point I suppose.