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You asked for this Cornell. I am not scared to debate this topic. I already have admitted sympathy for Geno for this year’s schedule. I know UConn got really unlucky with their schedule this year.

Best wins:

UCLA:
@ Michigan State
@ Michigan
Iowa
Maryland
@ Minnesota
@ Ohio State
N Tennessee
N Duke
N North Carolina
N Oklahoma

UConn:
Tennessee
N Iowa
N Ohio State
N Louisville
N Michigan

Three of UConn’s best wins are against big 10 teams that UCLA has also beaten. UCLA also has much better road wins than UConn. UConn really doesn’t have a marquee road win. I think USC is probably the best true road win.

Imagine if UCLA adds additional wins over Michigan, Iowa, and Illinois via the big 10 tournament.

The smart thing to do is to just get it over with and put UCLA number one now. Waiting a reveal or two will only be more controversial.
 
Stagnant said:
You asked for this Cornell. I am not scared to debate this topic. I already have admitted sympathy for Geno for this year’s schedule. I know UConn got really unlucky with their schedule this year.

Best wins:

UCLA:
@ Michigan State
@ Michigan
Iowa
Maryland
@ Minnesota
@ Ohio State
N Tennessee
N Duke
N North Carolina
N Oklahoma

UConn:
Tennessee
N Iowa
N Ohio State
N Louisville
N Michigan

Three of UConn’s best wins are against big 10 teams that UCLA has also beaten. UCLA also has much better road wins than UConn. UConn really doesn’t have a marquee road win. I think USC is probably the best true road win.

Imagine if UCLA adds additional wins over Michigan, Iowa, and Illinois via the big 10 tournament.

The smart thing to do is to just get it over with and put UCLA number one now. Waiting a reveal or two will only be more controversial.
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Does MOV matter at all in these? I don’t believe it does, UCONN beat almost all of these teams by 25+ where a lot of the UCLA games were more competitive.
 
Stagnant said:
You asked for this Cornell. I am not scared to debate this topic. I already have admitted sympathy for Geno for this year’s schedule. I know UConn got really unlucky with their schedule this year.

Best wins:

UCLA:
@ Michigan State
@ Michigan
Iowa
Maryland
@ Minnesota
@ Ohio State
N Tennessee
N Duke
N North Carolina
N Oklahoma

UConn:
Tennessee
N Iowa
N Ohio State
N Louisville
N Michigan

Three of UConn’s best wins are against big 10 teams that UCLA has also beaten. UCLA also has much better road wins than UConn. UConn really doesn’t have a marquee road win. I think USC is probably the best true road win.

Imagine if UCLA adds additional wins over Michigan, Iowa, and Illinois via the big 10 tournament.

The smart thing to do is to just get it over with and put UCLA number one now. Waiting a reveal or two will only be more controversial.
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As if teams want to hand UCONN any more motivation.
 
bballnut90 said:
Does MOV matter at all in these? I don’t believe it does, UCONN beat almost all of these teams by 25+ where a lot of the UCLA games were more competitive.
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I think MOV is part of the NET if I am not mistaken. And that is supposed to be a metric the committee uses.

It didn’t help UConn get a number one seed last season though.
 
PacoSwede said:
perhaps the loss of pierre was addition-by-subtraction (chemistry-wise)
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Interesting thought but I really think the addition of unrated spark plug Aubrey Galvan and the swagger she brings each night to be "Robin" to Blakes "Batman" is the key factor here. Blakes is pretty much unstoppable against most teams. Add in the fact Texas is still an offensively challenged team who can't shoot 3's and you can see why Vandy is a distant second to SC. Match ups matter and for the most part Vandy matches up well with everyone except SC in the SEC.
 
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A couple things caught my eye watching the replay today. Mwenentanda had a solid game against her former team. Played most of the game too along with Blakes and Galvan. While Del Rosario didn't impact the score board, she did a decent job disrupting Cunningham and Oldacre in the paint. She doesn't play much but she did enough to help the team yesterday.
 
browns said:
Blakes is going to beat out SS when Uconn is undefeated?..not happening!!
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Agreed. Sarah strong does not play the fourth quarter in virtually all of the big east games and yet She probably leads in all major player win metrics. Blake’s is good but no one and I mean no one is a three level scorer, defender and rebounder as Sarah strong. Prove me wrong guys
 
Stagnant said:
You asked for this Cornell. I am not scared to debate this topic. I already have admitted sympathy for Geno for this year’s schedule. I know UConn got really unlucky with their schedule this year.

Best wins:

UCLA:
@ Michigan State
@ Michigan
Iowa
Maryland
@ Minnesota
@ Ohio State
N Tennessee
N Duke
N North Carolina
N Oklahoma

UConn:
Tennessee
N Iowa
N Ohio State
N Louisville
N Michigan

Three of UConn’s best wins are against big 10 teams that UCLA has also beaten. UCLA also has much better road wins than UConn. UConn really doesn’t have a marquee road win. I think USC is probably the best true road win.

Imagine if UCLA adds additional wins over Michigan, Iowa, and Illinois via the big 10 tournament.

The smart thing to do is to just get it over with and put UCLA number one now. Waiting a reveal or two will only be more controversial.
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Stagnant you make valid points. But the eye test is important as well. I also believe and I am very very biased on this but let’s say all the major contenders (say top 12 teams, you decide) are told they are in the elite 8 and they had to choose between the choices of UCLA, Texas, SC, LSU, Vanderbilt, Louisville on an opponent to play to get to final four, I would find it hard pressed anyone of the top teams would put UCOnN as a team they would want to face. Everyone knows UConn when healthy is another kind of animal in the big dance.
 
If there is anything we’ve learned from past tournament selections it’s that the committee always gives itself wiggle room, whatever the metrics say. If UConn remains undefeated, the Huskies will be the #1 overall seed, mark my word.

Nobody on the committee is going to remotely want to explain why the only undefeated team in the nation, #1 ranked, prior year’s national champion, who absolutely destroyed UCLA & SC (twice) is anything but the #1 seed this year.
 
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ABCDFE said:
Agreed. Sarah strong does not play the fourth quarter in virtually all of the big east games and yet She probably leads in all major player win metrics. Blake’s is good but no one and I mean no one is a three level scorer, defender and rebounder as Sarah strong. Prove me wrong guys
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I’ll point out that Blakes didn’t play long minutes the first half of the year going up against weaker competition. Her stats are notably better when she’s facing much better competition. She’s also leading a team that was preseason #19 to a #4 ranking and potential #1 seed in the tournament.
 
bballnut90 said:
I’ll point out that Blakes didn’t play long minutes the first half of the year going up against weaker competition. Her stats are notably better when she’s facing much better competition. She’s also leading a team that was preseason #19 to a #4 ranking and potential #1 seed in the tournament.
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For the record, YTD Sarah averages 27.1 mpg while Blakes averages 34.1 mpg, basically 25% more. Even against ranked OOC teams Sarah didn’t play all that many minutes because UConn typically had the game in hand by the 4th qtr.
 
Stagnant said:
You asked for this Cornell. I am not scared to debate this topic. I already have admitted sympathy for Geno for this year’s schedule. I know UConn got really unlucky with their schedule this year.

Best wins:

UCLA:
@ Michigan State
@ Michigan
Iowa
Maryland
@ Minnesota
@ Ohio State
N Tennessee
N Duke
N North Carolina
N Oklahoma

UConn:
Tennessee
N Iowa
N Ohio State
N Louisville
N Michigan

Three of UConn’s best wins are against big 10 teams that UCLA has also beaten. UCLA also has much better road wins than UConn. UConn really doesn’t have a marquee road win. I think USC is probably the best true road win.

Imagine if UCLA adds additional wins over Michigan, Iowa, and Illinois via the big 10 tournament.

The smart thing to do is to just get it over with and put UCLA number one now. Waiting a reveal or two will only be more controversial.
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I appreciate your passion and reasoning on the subject. Unfortunately your off base in my opinion. Minus a monumental upset, UConn will be the #1 overall seed. You can bank on it.
 
oldude said:
For the record, YTD Sarah averages 27.1 mpg while Blakes averages 34.1 mpg, basically 25% more. Even against ranked OOC teams Sarah didn’t play all that many minutes because UConn typically had the game in hand by the 4th qtr.
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I agree that Strong's stats could be even more gaudy if she played the number of minutes that Blakes does, but your last statement is incorrect. Strong is logging close to full games (36.4 mpg) against teams in current top 25:
37 vs Tennessee
34 vs Iowa
40 vs Michigan
33 vs Ohio State
38 vs Louisville

USC was ranked when they played and Sarah played 32 minutes but she likely would've played more if not for picking up 2 fouls in the first half.
 
bballnut90 said:
I agree that Strong's stats could be even more gaudy if she played the number of minutes that Blakes does, but your last statement is incorrect. Strong is logging close to full games (36.4 mpg) against teams in current top 25:
37 vs Tennessee
34 vs Iowa
40 vs Michigan
33 vs Ohio State
38 vs Louisville

USC was ranked when they played and Sarah played 32 minutes but she likely would've played more if not for picking up 2 fouls in the first half.
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I appreciate the correction. If that’s so, then it stands to reason that Blakes got a lot more minutes against Vandy’s OOC schedule of cupcakes.
 
bballnut90 said:
I agree that Strong's stats could be even more gaudy if she played the number of minutes that Blakes does
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We can normalize minutes using per 40 minute stats. And using those, and advanced stats &1, Sarah clearly has the more impactful (per-possession/ per-minute) stats (vs. Mikayla).

&1 Here’s RAPM and BPM.

Sarah’s Stats:
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Mikayla’s Stats:
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Stagnant said:
You asked for this Cornell. I am not scared to debate this topic. I already have admitted sympathy for Geno for this year’s schedule. I know UConn got really unlucky with their schedule this year.

Best wins:

UCLA:
@ Michigan State
@ Michigan
Iowa
Maryland
@ Minnesota
@ Ohio State
N Tennessee
N Duke
N North Carolina
N Oklahoma

UConn:
Tennessee
N Iowa
N Ohio State
N Louisville
N Michigan

Three of UConn’s best wins are against big 10 teams that UCLA has also beaten. UCLA also has much better road wins than UConn. UConn really doesn’t have a marquee road win. I think USC is probably the best true road win.

Imagine if UCLA adds additional wins over Michigan, Iowa, and Illinois via the big 10 tournament.

The smart thing to do is to just get it over with and put UCLA number one now. Waiting a reveal or two will only be more controversial.
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What the 12-member Committee does in S-Curve seeding is do a rolling hypothesis testing based on the overall body of work (using team sheets and other information).

Below is the body of work for UConn and UCLA. Some posters make it seem that UConn plays a much less competitive schedule than UCLA. UConn does not. UConn’s and UCLA’s schedules are fairly comparable.
UCLA has a blemish (an 11-point loss to TX) vs undefeated UConn. They both won vs Michigan by 3 points — UConn in November and UCLA in February. UConn has more dominant wins than UCLA vs other common opponents (Iowa, Ohio State, TN).
  • There is a reason to reject the hypothesis that UCLA is the #1 overall seed;
  • There is no compelling reason to reject the hypothesis that UConn is the #1 overall seed.
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ABCDFE said:
Agreed. Sarah strong does not play the fourth quarter in virtually all of the big east games and yet She probably leads in all major player win metrics. Blake’s is good but no one and I mean no one is a three level scorer, defender and rebounder as Sarah strong. Prove me wrong guys
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This will come down to what kind of player the voters like better.

Strong is the unicorn, a current front court player with guard skills, quietly leading a perennial power to a #1 ranking.

Blakes is a very good combo guard, (Overlooked a bit is she plays both guard spots for Vandy) leading an historically awful team into the top 5.

This is the same model that brought Plum, Ionescu and Clark to prominence.

I'm a UConn fan, so I would pick Strong, but certainly Blakes and Vandy offer a compelling story. This debate will continue in 27 and 28.
 
packwrap said:
This will come down to what kind of player the voters like better.

Strong is the unicorn, a current front court player with guard skills, quietly leading a perennial power to a #1 ranking.

Blakes is a very good combo guard, (Overlooked a bit is she plays both guard spots for Vandy) leading an historically awful team into the top 5.

This is the same model that brought Plum, Ionescu and Clark to prominence.

I'm a UConn fan, so I would pick Strong, but certainly Blakes and Vandy offer a compelling story. This debate will continue in 27 and 28.
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Vanderbilt is not "an historically awful team." On the contrary, they are historically a very strong team. If you examined the wins and losses from somewhere in the 80s through Melanie Balcomb's third-to-last year, you would probably come up with a win-lost percentage in the all-time top 25. The program dropped off badly during Balcomb's final two years. I don't know why. Then, admittedly, the Stephanie White tenure was truly awful. Following that, Shea had to pick up the pieces and it took her a few years for things to get on track. She now has some size and a superstar to compete with and she's having success.
 
😁 Guess it depends on definition of awful.

  • Vandy has one final four in 1993.
  • Has not yet won an SEC league title.
  • Was not in the ncaa tourney between 2015 and 2024.

Shea and Blakes (and now Galvan) have had to do some heavy lifting.

A bit like Coach Cignetti elevating Indiana in the Big10 in football.
 
Gus Mahler said:
Vanderbilt is not "an historically awful team." On the contrary, they are historically a very strong team. If you examined the wins and losses from somewhere in the 80s through Melanie Balcomb's third-to-last year, you would probably come up with a win-lost percentage in the all-time top 25. The program dropped off badly during Balcomb's final two years. I don't know why. Then, admittedly, the Stephanie White tenure was truly awful. Following that, Shea had to pick up the pieces and it took her a few years for things to get on track. She now has some size and a superstar to compete with and she's having success.
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packwrap said:
😁 Guess it depends on definition of awful.

  • Vandy has one final four in 1993.
  • Has not yet won an SEC league title.
  • Was not in the ncaa tourney between 2015 and 2024.

Shea and Blakes (and now Galvan) have had to do some heavy lifting.

A bit like Coach Cignetti elevating Indiana in the Big10 in football.
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First, Let me say that, in general, UConn fans like the predominant posters here do not have an appreciation of what “awful” really is.

Vandy is not historically awful . Their history is better than probably 300 . I prefer to think of them as I think of my pre-Dawn Gamecocks. “MEDIOCRE.”

Yes, Vandy has only one excellent year of reaching the finals four but they have .five very good years during which they went to the elite 8. They were good during the 14 years they went to the Sweet Sixteen.many programs envy Bandy’s 30 tournament appearances.

They deserve the fav “Mediocre””
 
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