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Message: [QUOTE="mauconnfan, post: 3499303, member: 489"] Crushing on him for what? Who has the love fest now? Stop this we won't agree at all. If you thought the kid was a good kid then great, he probably was and I never said he wasn't. Fishy actually confirmed he was a good kid. If you thought he played really hard you are wrong, he didn't and he still doesn't. Have at it, I'm through. EDIT: I walked away but thought of something else. To defend Vance from my point of "not playing hard" he didn't have the same coach who was an assistant to JC and then won a title so maybe he wasn't forced to play hard like a JC or Dan Hurley would. Maybe there was too much leniency due to the lost of focus as a coach so not all on Vance on the court or off so I will walk away thinking the blame should be shared. But again, enough! [/QUOTE]