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tcf15 said:
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Im starting to like Vital more and more. He shows that he has that attitude and wants to win, but im not so sure about some of the other guys, and I think thats what CV is getting at with his quote.

We need more players that have that attitude. We need players that all the other fans love to hate. That last time we had a player like that was Boatright. After he graduated, it just seems like we just never had a true leader with that killer instinct who hates to lose and wants to win.
 
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RayIsTheGOAT said:
No. He had 37% of our points while not even looking interested.
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I think he’s interested. But the fire of a leader and maybe knowing how to lead isn’t there. He’s got skills but there is that missing piece. He is what he is.

But the lack of a physical front line is the fatal problem. And Wilson has all kinds of athleticism, unfortunately on a UConn frame, and a little bit too much playground still there.

Is Diarra going to be able to play?
 
cohenzone said:
I think he’s interested. But the fire of a leader and maybe knowing how to lead isn’t there. He’s got skills but there is that missing piece. He is what he is.

But the lack of a physical front line is the fatal problem. And Wilson has all kinds of athleticism, unfortunately on a UConn frame, and a little bit too much playground still there.

Is Diarra going to be able to play?
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Not until February at the earliest. Don’t expect him in other words. Big loss this year for sure.
 
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Ts5034 said:
Im starting to like Vital more and more. He shows that he has that attitude and wants to win, but im not so sure about some of the other guys, and I think thats what CV is getting at with his quote.

We need more players that have that attitude. We need players that all the other fans love to hate. That last time we had a player like that was Boatright. After he graduated, it just seems like we just never had a true leader with that killer instinct who hates to lose and wants to win.
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I liked Vital since day one. Of course the freshman mistakes, but would always pull through with great energy and good plays. Somebody gave him great suggestions when he was testing the NBA waters.
 
AntG168 said:
Well if we're going to lose anyway with him halfin it. You might as well bench him
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Last night as Adams went, the team went. In the first 15-18 minutes he was very good. But when it starts going downhill, instead of rallying the team like a leader, his body language changes, his intensity lags, and he plays head down hero ball or just floats on the perimeter. Given his seniority and (flashes of ) talent, he is the defacto leader of the team on the floor, but is failing at that job.
 
Edward Sargent said:
No he was our best player the first 15 minutes of the first half.
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So 3/4 of the first half? We need to stop with the ridiculous hot takes about how this player or that player "sucks" and needs to be benched. They all need to be better.

The team did a lot of things right in that first 15 minutes. They did a lot of things wrong after that, especially with a let up on defensive effort and especially rebounding. And while I saw some one on three offensive action, what I mostly saw were guys making an effort to move the ball and move without the ball, getting good looks and missing all of them. It was a horrendous shooting night. Those misses lead to USF boards due to our lack of size, strength and will...and they converted them into points on the other end.

There was no great defensive effort by USF, there was no inability for UConn to get shooters open, they just missed everything. All the outside shots, many, many layups and midrange stuff too. If even a reasonable percentage of those shots fall, our defense would be more effective, and we win this game going away. In short it would look like the first 15 minutes. Our lack of size and physicality inside means that when the outside shots won't go in, we can only score by guards attacking the rim. Against a long, strong, physically imposing front court like USF's, that was never going to work.
 
Ts5034 said:
Im starting to like Vital more and more. He shows that he has that attitude and wants to win, but im not so sure about some of the other guys, and I think thats what CV is getting at with his quote.

We need more players that have that attitude. We need players that all the other fans love to hate. That last time we had a player like that was Boatright. After he graduated, it just seems like we just never had a true leader with that killer instinct who hates to lose and wants to win.
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It's obvious that Hurley can't wait to get his own guys in here (and no, I don't mean grad transfer stop-gaps and Brendan Adams).

Vital might be the only holdover with the attitude he's looking for.
 
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This is probably the most level headed and accurate post loss thread ever. Everyone seems.to know what the problem is. They just seem to forget at halftime.

I do think a less than focused atmosphere still exists off the court and they revert to it on the court when things get tough.

In the 2011 title game the first half was incredibly frustrating on offense but that team didn't lose control on defense and in the second half they found the sideline ball screen set that worked and pounded it over and over again until the clock hit zero.

This team would get bored running the same effective set over and over. They would start to freelance and get beat. I think that is 50% of the problem. The other 50% is lack of sustained commitment on defense whether it be loss of stamina or focus because we have seen them defend in spots.
 
Ts5034 said:
Im starting to like Vital more and more. He shows that he has that attitude and wants to win, but im not so sure about some of the other guys, and I think thats what CV is getting at with his quote.

We need more players that have that attitude. We need players that all the other fans love to hate. That last time we had a player like that was Boatright. After he graduated, it just seems like we just never had a true leader with that killer instinct who hates to lose and wants to win.
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I agree, and I'll go further and admit that I underestimated Vital's ceiling as a player and his ability to be coached. One of the best coaching moves Hurley has made since coming here imo was his decision to invest his confidence in Vital. As it turns out, it's a wiser investment than I had appreciated at the time.

I think some criticism of Hurley at this point is valid because we are seeing other teams make adjustments at the end of the first half and the entire second half, and we are not responding with adjustments of our own. Admittedly we do not have the plethora of options that we thought we might have, and he is still learning how to get these players to respond. But his work with Vital alone gives me confidence that, with the right types of players, he can build something we can be proud of again here.
 
HuskyHawk said:
So 3/4 of the first half? We need to stop with the ridiculous hot takes about how this player or that player "sucks" and needs to be benched. They all need to be better.

The team did a lot of things right in that first 15 minutes. They did a lot of things wrong after that, especially with a let up on defensive effort and especially rebounding. And while I saw some one on three offensive action, what I mostly saw were guys making an effort to move the ball and move without the ball, getting good looks and missing all of them. It was a horrendous shooting night. Those misses lead to USF boards due to our lack of size, strength and will...and they converted them into points on the other end.

There was no great defensive effort by USF, there was no inability for UConn to get shooters open, they just missed everything. All the outside shots, many, many layups and midrange stuff too. If even a reasonable percentage of those shots fall, our defense would be more effective, and we win this game going away. In short it would look like the first 15 minutes. Our lack of size and physicality inside means that when the outside shots won't go in, we can only score by guards attacking the rim. Against a long, strong, physically imposing front court like USF's, that was never going to work.
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Lets face the facts. The main problem with this team is the lack of discipline and low basketball IQ. I thought Hurley would control this team but he hasn't. It looks like Ollie is still in charge. They play school ground basketball with little gametime coaching. Jalen could be an outstanding player if he want's but chooses to play out of control. He had so many turnovers but yet didn't get pulled out. This is a perfect example of a team that needed a Calhoun type coach. I thought Hurley would be that type coach to a certain extent but it looks like he doesn't have have control of this team.
 
tower1 said:
Lets face the facts. The main problem with this team is the lack of discipline and low basketball IQ. I thought Hurley would control this team but he hasn't. It looks like Ollie is still in charge. They play school ground basketball with little gametime coaching. Jalen could be an outstanding player if he want's but chooses to play out of control. He had so many turnovers but yet didn't get pulled out. This is a perfect example of a team that needed a Calhoun type coach. I thought Hurley would be that type coach to a certain extent but it looks like he doesn't have have control of this team.
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Put me squarely in the camp that as a program going forward, Hurley needs to use Jalen for his teaching moments to the rest of the team. It's obvious to all of us fans, coaches and players that Jalen has the most basketball talent. He does stuff throughout a game that clearly shows low BB IQ and can be corrected and coached.

USF has a guard who is leading the country in steals. That is an easy part of the scouting report and should be on the chalk board in the locker room before the game. Every player on UConn needs to account for his presence on every pass. As fans we have seen great on the ball defenders- Ricky and Lyman. We've seen great passing lane defenders- Burrell, Dove and Caronimo. We've seen great rim protectors too.

So what do we see during a game? Slow, telegraphed passes and players standing there waiting to receive the ball rather than coming towards the ball to decrease the length of the pass. When players do that, they need to take a seat. When you pull the player for that mistake, at halftime or back home you go over that moment on film and compare that to the game plan laid out in the locker room.

When Jalen refuses to draw contact at the rim or go to his left hand, you put him on the bench. Use that to communicate to the rest of the team why off season work outs are essential for expanding your game and skill set. The coaches also show that to the rest of the team that opponents scout and learn how to overcome your skills and as players they need to improve.
 
tower1 said:
Lets face the facts. The main problem with this team is the lack of discipline and low basketball IQ. I thought Hurley would control this team but he hasn't. It looks like Ollie is still in charge. They play school ground basketball with little gametime coaching. Jalen could be an outstanding player if he want's but chooses to play out of control. He had so many turnovers but yet didn't get pulled out. This is a perfect example of a team that needed a Calhoun type coach. I thought Hurley would be that type coach to a certain extent but it looks like he doesn't have have control of this team.
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I disagree. I think the play has been much more disciplined than last year and Hurley is a Calhoun style coach. The suspensions have shown it. Meanwhile, I watched some fantastic ball movement last night from our guys, and much better movement off the ball than I saw in any game last year. They often made too many passes leading to turnovers on several occasions. I think they are trying too hard and aren't playing instinctively. They have to find the balance, and of course, they have to make open looks. Several times guys made one pass too many, they need to take the open shots without hesitation and with confidence.

Last night they missed several open layups and nearly every outside shot they took. Most of those were clean open looks, not the rushed, hand in your face shots with 2 seconds on the clock we saw last year. They didn't fall. This team needs to practice 3 point shots 2 hours a day every day.

Most of the out of control play stems from the guards being asked to do too much. When the outside shots aren't falling we have to score at the rim. That lands on the guards because our bigs are essentially useless on offense. So we begin to see what we saw last night, small guards driving into traffic. It's a symptom of two other problems (a) Bigs that don't occupy the attention of the defense and (b) poor outside shooting. It isn't the cause, it's a symptom.

We see what happens when the shots fall. The whole offense looks completely different.
 
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