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USC and UCLA looking to leave PAC 12 for the Big 10 in 2024

I wonder how this will affect USC and UCLA's recruiting (for non-football sports) recruiting. Imagine staying "home" and playing pretty much all your games on the other side of the country. Wouldn't really feel like staying home to play in front of your family and friends.
For every other school in the new Big 10, it’ll be one trip a year to LA for a game or games at USC/UCLA. For USC & UCLA, half of their conference schedule will involve cross country flights. That’s a lot of travel for so-called student-athletes.
 
Don't laugh. If it makes dollars, it makes sense. ;) You can throw logic and common sense out the window in 2022. Anything is possible now-a-days.
University of Alaska will join SEC and University of Puerto Rico will join Ivy League.... :p

Hawaii will join CUBA (Chinese University Basketball Association) .
 
It is being reported that Oregon and Washington are applying to join the Big 10 as well. If accepted by the Big 10, expect the remaining PAC 12 teams and Big 12 teams to merge.
 
USC or UCLA have a wrestling program for Penn State to wipe the floor with?

Only other sport besides football that benefits from USC and UCLA joining tB1G is volleyball.

What are the odds that the SEC or tB1G take UConn Football?

:p :D
 
What is it the millennials say--"I just can't with this." I've been a Pac 10/12 fan my entire life, and it seems like it might be on the verge of disappearing. Stupid football and $$$ has absolutely ruined college sports. Hate it, hate it, hate it.
 
What is it the millennials say--"I just can't with this." I've been a Pac 10/12 fan my entire life, and it seems like it might be on the verge of disappearing. Stupid football and $$$ has absolutely ruined college sports. Hate it, hate it, hate it.

Only college sports that I pay attention to are :

UConn WBB.
women's Volleyball.
women's Cross Country.
women's Track & Field.

I will take this any day over college (pro) football.

 
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Well I love college football but admit I don't like what's happening at all. I was about to enter college when Ark and SC joined the SEC. It took some time to get used to but whatever. When A&M and Missouri joined, I wasn't thrilled at MU because it seemed like a terrible geographic and cultural fit. Nothing against them but Columbia, MO, is about as midwest as you can get. A&M sort of made sense due to their location in TX.

Now TX and OU are coming on board, and the race is on again. This is about nothing but TV revenue. It will ultimately kill the things I like best about the sport. For years the B12 is the one everyone assumed would disappear. It's about to be the PAC.
 
Only college sports that I pay attention to are :

UConn WBB.
women's Volleyball.
women's Cross Country.
women's Track & Field.

I will take this any day over college (pro) football.


softball is a good sport. But they don't have enough scholarships. 9 positions and a Dan Hurley, and only 12.5 scholarships. (same for baseball).

Personally, I think wbb should reduce to 13 scholarships and "extra" two to softball.
 
Continuation of the now inevitable process of major conference realignment to result in 1? 2? or 3? Super Conferences. NIL is also a growing factor in the acceleration of these decisions. Through all of this UConn remains a perennial bridesmaid to the Power conferences…..:(
If Mora can bring us back to some kind of respectability, then our chances of getting into the realignment mix will be greatly improved. Football has really screwed us in all the fazes of realignment. If BC hadn't blackballed us years ago, we would be sitting pretty right about now.
 
Did Larry Scott deliberately set out to destroy the Pac 12? Cuz right about now, that's looking like what his incompetence accomplished. How in the world did all of the school presidents just sit around and watch that happen?
 
softball is a good sport. But they don't have enough scholarships. 9 positions and a Dan Hurley, and only 12.5 scholarships. (same for baseball).

Personally, I think wbb should reduce to 13 scholarships and "extra" two to softball.
I would hope with the popularity of softball getting larger each year that the NCAA would increase the number of scholarships. But the tv networks (SEC, ACC, Big12 on ESPN+, and B1G) would need to increase their broadcasts to help justify the increase.
 
What is it the millennials say--"I just can't with this." I've been a Pac 10/12 fan my entire life, and it seems like it might be on the verge of disappearing. Stupid football and $$$ has absolutely ruined college sports. Hate it, hate it, hate it.
Being a Maryland fan I feel your pain. Maryland should be in the ACC. But they are making way more money now. But the cost is pretty significant. No hope of winning anything significant in football.
 
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I would hope with the popularity of softball getting larger each year that the NCAA would increase the number of scholarships. But the tv networks (SEC, ACC, Big12 on ESPN+, and B1G) would need to increase their broadcasts to help justify the increase.
The SEC has said that it wants to increase softball and baseball scholarships but the smaller NCAA schools oppose it due to expense.
 
PAC 12 Network will go down as one of the biggest failures in sports business history

Who should take the majority of blame for negotiation failures? PAC 12 Network or carriers like DirecTV? Grateful to anyone who knows the details.
 
Who should take the majority of blame for negotiation failures? PAC 12 Network or carriers like DirecTV? Grateful to anyone who knows the details.
Can't really blame DirecTV, although I always wished they carried it. Dish does.

We just this year signed up to one of the on-line streaming TV services (Sling) to get it. I admit the motivation was more about the winter Olympics and a problem with our DirecTV DVR, but it enabled us to watch a few Women's Basketball games and a couple tournament games for the PAC.

All in all, I would blame Larry Scott, as well.
 
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USC or UCLA have a wrestling program for Penn State to wipe the floor with?

Only other sport besides football that benefits from USC and UCLA joining tB1G is volleyball.

What are the odds that the SEC or tB1G take UConn Football?

:p :D
UCLA cut wrestling around 1981, shortly after fielding an NCAA champion. Both schools currently have a club wrestling team.

Also, UCLA, at least, won't be sending all of volleyball to the B1G. Men's Volleyball and Beach will remain in their (non-Pac-12) conference, the MPSF. Both Men's and Women's Water Polo teams, too.

Women's Volleyball, the indoor variety, will be going to the B1G.
 
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Oregon and Washington application to the Big 10 is on hold. Once again since the 70's and 80's, the Big 10 is making a big play to have Notre Dame join the conference. If ND finally accepts, they will accept the other two applications. Then the Big 10 will have to find a 20th team. That won't be easy.
 
Oregon and Washington application to the Big 10 is on hold. Once again since the 70's and 80's, the Big 10 is making a big play to have Notre Dame join the conference. If ND finally accepts, they will accept the other two applications. Then the Big 10 will have to find a 20th team. That won't be easy.
Unclear what financial obligations Notre Dame would have under the ACC’s GOR (+ exit fees) for its non-football sports. The GOR agreement is through 2036 so could be a significant amount of $$. Again, not sure if ND has a special arrangement on that.

Adding USC/UCLA was driven by Fox. Not the first time a network has driven expansion and destroyed a conference in the process. ESPN destroyed the Big East to bolster the ACC.
 
I think the Big 10 should stay at 16 and leave it at that. I would like the ACC go to 16 and add UConn. Football will never allow that to happen but UConn would be great at all the other sports.
 
The SEC has said that it wants to increase softball and baseball scholarships but the smaller NCAA schools oppose it due to expense.
Just because the NCAA allows more scholarships doesn't mean every school has to use them. If a school offers the current number of scholarships then they have to deal with the consequences, if there are any.
 
If these schools were as concerned about greenhouse gases as they say they are, they wouldn’t be making multiple nationwide conferences.
 
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Just because the NCAA allows more scholarships doesn't mean every school has to use them. If a school offers the current number of scholarships then they have to deal with the consequences, if there are any.
Be that as it may, there are caps. 12.5 for baseball is ridiculous. There are nine positions. add aa designated hitter. Add three more to have four starting pitchers per week.add two fort a bullpen. That’s fifteen weekly contributors Out of a total of 27 team players.

Basketball allows three deep for every position. Football allows four deep. Baseball and softball allow less than one scholarship per position.

Ok, Softball doesn’t require as many pitchers ( though some conferences are now limiting weekly pitch count). Still, assuming only one starting pitcher, you have only 12.5 schollies for ten positions. The transfer portal can ruin a team.

The SEC would like to give 27 schollies per team. Small schools oppose that on the ground of expense and have many more votes than the P-5s. I guess that’s how a Coastal Carolina can win a CWS ( though they could afford 27 schollies.) Keeps the SEC and other P-5s from stocking up.

Are baseball and softball going to cause SECession? I doubt it, but the commissioner has cited those two sports as factors the conference is thinking about.
 
Unclear what financial obligations Notre Dame would have under the ACC’s GOR (+ exit fees) for its non-football sports. The GOR agreement is through 2036 so could be a significant amount of $$. Again, not sure if ND has a special arrangement on that.

Adding USC/UCLA was driven by Fox. Not the first time a network has driven expansion and destroyed a conference in the process. ESPN destroyed the Big East to bolster the ACC

- I'm not sure of the financial obligations ND would be under per the ACC's GOR, either, but I can't see Swarbrick anchoring the non-football/hockey sports for that long a period. I'll continue to look for more on that.

- Agree with you that Fox was the driver. I read somewhere that one AD joked that at some point you'd have the Fox and ESPN conferences/leagues, for all intensive purposes.

- Pete Sampson of the Athletic, has covered ND football for a long time and he wrote one article on how things have changed, using ND as an example. When Charley Weis got the Irish to the Fiesta Bowl, the Irish -- because they were independent -- pocked their entire share of the Fiesta payout. While a lot of that was plowed back into the football program, generous sums also applied to financial aid (for non athletes) and non-football sports.

Now, ND just started it's big doner push and the number one subject in need: sports (that's a first, according to Sampson -- and my memory, too). Keeping sports at the top of the game to simply stay in the game.

With that in mind, here's Sampson's Friday take on where he thinks the Irish stand, giving the ACC as an example:

"Notre Dame doesn’t need to have its final answer on conference realignment today and entered the weekend as a rank-and-file (partial) member of the ACC. When the league had a call for its athletics directors on Friday, Notre Dame’s Jack Swarbrick was a regular participant. So, while Swabrick has publicly predicted a new world order at the top of college athletics, that doesn’t mean Notre Dame will drive the train to make it happen, even following the departures of USC and UCLA to the Big Ten.

"If there’s a precedent for how Notre Dame behaved in the world of conference realignment before, it’s how Swarbrick found a match for Notre Dame in the ACC originally. Almost exactly one year after Syracuse and Pittsburgh bolted the Big East for the ACC, Notre Dame did too. The Irish weren’t the first to jump, but they weren’t the last, either. Swarbrick understood Notre Dame’s leverage and played it, grasping that the ACC needed Notre Dame to stabilize the conference and launch the ACC Network. The Irish still had a television partner with NBC, still had a home for Olympic sports in the Big East and now had better access to the postseason with guaranteed Power 5 games.

"Those three things are still true today. For now.

"If the ACC loses a football-first member like Clemson, Miami or Florida State, what’s left behind could be so reduced Notre Dame may view the ACC the same way it viewed the Big East back then. And even if the ACC holds firm, the financial implications of not joining the Big Ten are severe. Swarbrick has said Notre Dame makes less money as an independent than it would as a full-time ACC member. That means membership in the Big Ten would be a windfall, with school payouts potentially approaching $100 million. Even for a school with an endowment of $13 billion, that’s real money.

"Sources around the Big Ten indicate the league will be patient with Notre Dame. Yet, if the league delayed its next media rights deal to maximize the financial impact of USC and UCLA, wouldn’t the league want to do the same with Notre Dame? If there’s a factor that might lead to a decision sooner than later, that might be it." — Pete Sampson
 
- I'm not sure of the financial obligations ND would be under per the ACC's GOR, either, but I can't see Swarbrick anchoring the non-football/hockey sports for that long a period. I'll continue to look for more on that.

- Agree with you that Fox was the driver. I read somewhere that one AD joked that at some point you'd have the Fox and ESPN conferences/leagues, for all intensive purposes.

- Pete Sampson of the Athletic, has covered ND football for a long time and he wrote one article on how things have changed, using ND as an example. When Charley Weis got the Irish to the Fiesta Bowl, the Irish -- because they were independent -- pocked their entire share of the Fiesta payout. While a lot of that was plowed back into the football program, generous sums also applied to financial aid (for non athletes) and non-football sports.

Now, ND just started it's big doner push and the number one subject in need: sports (that's a first, according to Sampson -- and my memory, too). Keeping sports at the top of the game to simply stay in the game.

With that in mind, here's Sampson's Friday take on where he thinks the Irish stand, giving the ACC as an example:

"Notre Dame doesn’t need to have its final answer on conference realignment today and entered the weekend as a rank-and-file (partial) member of the ACC. When the league had a call for its athletics directors on Friday, Notre Dame’s Jack Swarbrick was a regular participant. So, while Swabrick has publicly predicted a new world order at the top of college athletics, that doesn’t mean Notre Dame will drive the train to make it happen, even following the departures of USC and UCLA to the Big Ten.

"If there’s a precedent for how Notre Dame behaved in the world of conference realignment before, it’s how Swarbrick found a match for Notre Dame in the ACC originally. Almost exactly one year after Syracuse and Pittsburgh bolted the Big East for the ACC, Notre Dame did too. The Irish weren’t the first to jump, but they weren’t the last, either. Swarbrick understood Notre Dame’s leverage and played it, grasping that the ACC needed Notre Dame to stabilize the conference and launch the ACC Network. The Irish still had a television partner with NBC, still had a home for Olympic sports in the Big East and now had better access to the postseason with guaranteed Power 5 games.

"Those three things are still true today. For now.

"If the ACC loses a football-first member like Clemson, Miami or Florida State, what’s left behind could be so reduced Notre Dame may view the ACC the same way it viewed the Big East back then. And even if the ACC holds firm, the financial implications of not joining the Big Ten are severe. Swarbrick has said Notre Dame makes less money as an independent than it would as a full-time ACC member. That means membership in the Big Ten would be a windfall, with school payouts potentially approaching $100 million. Even for a school with an endowment of $13 billion, that’s real money.

"Sources around the Big Ten indicate the league will be patient with Notre Dame. Yet, if the league delayed its next media rights deal to maximize the financial impact of USC and UCLA, wouldn’t the league want to do the same with Notre Dame? If there’s a factor that might lead to a decision sooner than later, that might be it." — Pete Sampson
Curious that Sampson doesn’t mention the GOR agreement when other, recent stories have said that ND is indeed bound by the GOR agreement (and exit fee) for its non-football sports and that is for the remainder of the ACC deal (2036). As a partial member I suspect the value of ND’s media rights under the ACC deal is less than that of other ACC schools but the ACC would still own the rights for the non-football sports for the duration of the agreement.
 
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