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Oregon and Washington application to the Big 10 is on hold. Once again since the 70's and 80's, the Big 10 is making a big play to have Notre Dame join the conference. If ND finally accepts, they will accept the other two applications. Then the Big 10 will have to find a 20th team. That won't be easy.
Unclear what financial obligations Notre Dame would have under the ACC’s GOR (+ exit fees) for its non-football sports. The GOR agreement is through 2036 so could be a significant amount of $$. Again, not sure if ND has a special arrangement on that.

Adding USC/UCLA was driven by Fox. Not the first time a network has driven expansion and destroyed a conference in the process. ESPN destroyed the Big East to bolster the ACC.
 
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I think the Big 10 should stay at 16 and leave it at that. I would like the ACC go to 16 and add UConn. Football will never allow that to happen but UConn would be great at all the other sports.
 

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The SEC has said that it wants to increase softball and baseball scholarships but the smaller NCAA schools oppose it due to expense.
Just because the NCAA allows more scholarships doesn't mean every school has to use them. If a school offers the current number of scholarships then they have to deal with the consequences, if there are any.
 

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If these schools were as concerned about greenhouse gases as they say they are, they wouldn’t be making multiple nationwide conferences.
 
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Just because the NCAA allows more scholarships doesn't mean every school has to use them. If a school offers the current number of scholarships then they have to deal with the consequences, if there are any.
Be that as it may, there are caps. 12.5 for baseball is ridiculous. There are nine positions. add aa designated hitter. Add three more to have four starting pitchers per week.add two fort a bullpen. That’s fifteen weekly contributors Out of a total of 27 team players.

Basketball allows three deep for every position. Football allows four deep. Baseball and softball allow less than one scholarship per position.

Ok, Softball doesn’t require as many pitchers ( though some conferences are now limiting weekly pitch count). Still, assuming only one starting pitcher, you have only 12.5 schollies for ten positions. The transfer portal can ruin a team.

The SEC would like to give 27 schollies per team. Small schools oppose that on the ground of expense and have many more votes than the P-5s. I guess that’s how a Coastal Carolina can win a CWS ( though they could afford 27 schollies.) Keeps the SEC and other P-5s from stocking up.

Are baseball and softball going to cause SECession? I doubt it, but the commissioner has cited those two sports as factors the conference is thinking about.
 

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Unclear what financial obligations Notre Dame would have under the ACC’s GOR (+ exit fees) for its non-football sports. The GOR agreement is through 2036 so could be a significant amount of $$. Again, not sure if ND has a special arrangement on that.

Adding USC/UCLA was driven by Fox. Not the first time a network has driven expansion and destroyed a conference in the process. ESPN destroyed the Big East to bolster the ACC

- I'm not sure of the financial obligations ND would be under per the ACC's GOR, either, but I can't see Swarbrick anchoring the non-football/hockey sports for that long a period. I'll continue to look for more on that.

- Agree with you that Fox was the driver. I read somewhere that one AD joked that at some point you'd have the Fox and ESPN conferences/leagues, for all intensive purposes.

- Pete Sampson of the Athletic, has covered ND football for a long time and he wrote one article on how things have changed, using ND as an example. When Charley Weis got the Irish to the Fiesta Bowl, the Irish -- because they were independent -- pocked their entire share of the Fiesta payout. While a lot of that was plowed back into the football program, generous sums also applied to financial aid (for non athletes) and non-football sports.

Now, ND just started it's big doner push and the number one subject in need: sports (that's a first, according to Sampson -- and my memory, too). Keeping sports at the top of the game to simply stay in the game.

With that in mind, here's Sampson's Friday take on where he thinks the Irish stand, giving the ACC as an example:

"Notre Dame doesn’t need to have its final answer on conference realignment today and entered the weekend as a rank-and-file (partial) member of the ACC. When the league had a call for its athletics directors on Friday, Notre Dame’s Jack Swarbrick was a regular participant. So, while Swabrick has publicly predicted a new world order at the top of college athletics, that doesn’t mean Notre Dame will drive the train to make it happen, even following the departures of USC and UCLA to the Big Ten.

"If there’s a precedent for how Notre Dame behaved in the world of conference realignment before, it’s how Swarbrick found a match for Notre Dame in the ACC originally. Almost exactly one year after Syracuse and Pittsburgh bolted the Big East for the ACC, Notre Dame did too. The Irish weren’t the first to jump, but they weren’t the last, either. Swarbrick understood Notre Dame’s leverage and played it, grasping that the ACC needed Notre Dame to stabilize the conference and launch the ACC Network. The Irish still had a television partner with NBC, still had a home for Olympic sports in the Big East and now had better access to the postseason with guaranteed Power 5 games.

"Those three things are still true today. For now.

"If the ACC loses a football-first member like Clemson, Miami or Florida State, what’s left behind could be so reduced Notre Dame may view the ACC the same way it viewed the Big East back then. And even if the ACC holds firm, the financial implications of not joining the Big Ten are severe. Swarbrick has said Notre Dame makes less money as an independent than it would as a full-time ACC member. That means membership in the Big Ten would be a windfall, with school payouts potentially approaching $100 million. Even for a school with an endowment of $13 billion, that’s real money.

"Sources around the Big Ten indicate the league will be patient with Notre Dame. Yet, if the league delayed its next media rights deal to maximize the financial impact of USC and UCLA, wouldn’t the league want to do the same with Notre Dame? If there’s a factor that might lead to a decision sooner than later, that might be it." — Pete Sampson
 

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- I'm not sure of the financial obligations ND would be under per the ACC's GOR, either, but I can't see Swarbrick anchoring the non-football/hockey sports for that long a period. I'll continue to look for more on that.

- Agree with you that Fox was the driver. I read somewhere that one AD joked that at some point you'd have the Fox and ESPN conferences/leagues, for all intensive purposes.

- Pete Sampson of the Athletic, has covered ND football for a long time and he wrote one article on how things have changed, using ND as an example. When Charley Weis got the Irish to the Fiesta Bowl, the Irish -- because they were independent -- pocked their entire share of the Fiesta payout. While a lot of that was plowed back into the football program, generous sums also applied to financial aid (for non athletes) and non-football sports.

Now, ND just started it's big doner push and the number one subject in need: sports (that's a first, according to Sampson -- and my memory, too). Keeping sports at the top of the game to simply stay in the game.

With that in mind, here's Sampson's Friday take on where he thinks the Irish stand, giving the ACC as an example:

"Notre Dame doesn’t need to have its final answer on conference realignment today and entered the weekend as a rank-and-file (partial) member of the ACC. When the league had a call for its athletics directors on Friday, Notre Dame’s Jack Swarbrick was a regular participant. So, while Swabrick has publicly predicted a new world order at the top of college athletics, that doesn’t mean Notre Dame will drive the train to make it happen, even following the departures of USC and UCLA to the Big Ten.

"If there’s a precedent for how Notre Dame behaved in the world of conference realignment before, it’s how Swarbrick found a match for Notre Dame in the ACC originally. Almost exactly one year after Syracuse and Pittsburgh bolted the Big East for the ACC, Notre Dame did too. The Irish weren’t the first to jump, but they weren’t the last, either. Swarbrick understood Notre Dame’s leverage and played it, grasping that the ACC needed Notre Dame to stabilize the conference and launch the ACC Network. The Irish still had a television partner with NBC, still had a home for Olympic sports in the Big East and now had better access to the postseason with guaranteed Power 5 games.

"Those three things are still true today. For now.

"If the ACC loses a football-first member like Clemson, Miami or Florida State, what’s left behind could be so reduced Notre Dame may view the ACC the same way it viewed the Big East back then. And even if the ACC holds firm, the financial implications of not joining the Big Ten are severe. Swarbrick has said Notre Dame makes less money as an independent than it would as a full-time ACC member. That means membership in the Big Ten would be a windfall, with school payouts potentially approaching $100 million. Even for a school with an endowment of $13 billion, that’s real money.

"Sources around the Big Ten indicate the league will be patient with Notre Dame. Yet, if the league delayed its next media rights deal to maximize the financial impact of USC and UCLA, wouldn’t the league want to do the same with Notre Dame? If there’s a factor that might lead to a decision sooner than later, that might be it." — Pete Sampson
Curious that Sampson doesn’t mention the GOR agreement when other, recent stories have said that ND is indeed bound by the GOR agreement (and exit fee) for its non-football sports and that is for the remainder of the ACC deal (2036). As a partial member I suspect the value of ND’s media rights under the ACC deal is less than that of other ACC schools but the ACC would still own the rights for the non-football sports for the duration of the agreement.
 
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