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alexrgct said:
She's been terrific for much of the Olympics, but was pretty lousy this game.
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Lousy is right. I'll bet Cambage scored more on Parker than anyone else and it's probably not close.
 
Griner is lucky that the US pulled it out. Not sure would have been well received after turning down the chance to play. I am, also, not sure she is willing to play physical enough to have dealt with Cambage. I was surprised by how the officials were letting Cambage get away with knocking players around and slamming them.
 
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Icebear said:
Griner is lucky that the US pulled it out. Not sure would have been well received after turning down the chance to play. I am, also, not sure she is willing to play physical enough to have dealt with Cambage. I was surprised by how the officials were letting Cambage get away with knocking players around and slamming them.
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If Steph gets that kind of officiating this year, she could be first team AA...
 
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Wow, I just read the thread, travelling and could not even get on line. What a amazingly exiting thread! You guys are the best!
 
Icebear said:
Hammon is not nearly as good as any of those and a couple of others as well.
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I think she's pretty darned good and on any given night (only too often, speaking as a Lynx fan) in the "W" she can take over like no other.

Still fine with the guard selections for this team, though.
 
Dee was getting pissed at the physical play and officiating.

Cambage was using her elbows a lot. The officials allow a lot of body contact inside. It's amazing. But we let her get position, get O boards, and get passes in good position.

Candace gave up about 60 pounds, and Tina and Asjha gave up 5-6". I was surprised that Syl was not more effective.
 
MilfordHusky said:
Dee was getting pissed at the physical play and officiating.

Cambage was using her elbows a lot. The officials allow a lot of body contact inside. It's amazing. But we let her get position, get O boards, and get passes in good position.

Candace gave up about 60 pounds, and Tina and Asjha gave up 5-6". I was surprised that Syl was not more effective.
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Syl is used to being able to muscle players...she needed to finesse Cambage on offense and get lower on her at the defensive end...I only saw her go around her once on offense, the rest of the time it was all power moves. On defense, no one seemed to be boxing her out effectively until her lack of conditioning took her legs away.
 
speedoo said:
Yeah, I don't think Geno likes the way the Aussie coach has her team play so rough.
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I actually thought is was more of an 'exhausted' hand shake. I don't think Geno expected anything else from the Opals - he was just disappointed in the USA defense in the first half. Big change in the second half - very few AUS wing players were able to dribble drive into the paint and dish to Liz/Lauren - the help rotations were also much quicker so the available passes were being tipped or stolen.
 
VAMike23 said:
I think she's pretty darned good and on any given night (only too often, speaking as a Lynx fan) in the "W" she can take over like no other.

Still fine with the guard selections for this team, though.
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She is fine many nights but the three named and a couple of others are still better than her to my eye. Piph and Cappie just to name two.
 
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ladybears4eva said:
and really... i doubt that Jones or Cash get any minutes in a game this close.....

what a waste of spots...

i know we could have used Dupree, Brunson, or any tough minded player..... to bang in the paint...rebound and secure the ball better. and play better defense
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That is a seriously ignorant comment and surprising for someone who should know better. Jones has better offense that Brunson, better defense than Dupree, and was a much better choice. You ought to think before you post.

I think Jones pretty much showed exactly why she was chosen. Her defense and "toughness" was spectacular. As for Cash, even tho she didn't get in, she's much more versatile an offensive player than Brunson or Dupree. She's developed a better mid-range and 3-point game than those 2. Neither of them would have seen the court either in this game, anyway.
 
OneTrickPony said:
Lisa Leslie credits Tina Charles with the turnaround on Cambage...says Candace Parker just too light...
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I'm betting some fans will say that's because Geno misused Parker. Even at 6'5", she fancies herself a 3 and likes to play more on the perimeter than Geno allowed her to. It's one of the reasons IMHO Geno benched her and put in Maya as a starter. The other reason was the effort she was putting forth, and the intensity of defense. Maya was better in all accounts.
 
ericsandiego said:
That is a seriously ignorant comment and surprising for someone who should know better. Jones has better offense that Brunson, better defense than Dupree, and was a much better choice. You ought to think before you post.

I think Jones pretty much showed exactly why she was chosen. Her defense and "toughness" was spectacular. As for Cash, even tho she didn't get in, she's much more versatile an offensive player than Brunson or Dupree. She's developed a better mid-range and 3-point game than those 2. Neither of them would have seen the court either in this game, anyway.
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You should defend a former UConn player, but that's a lot of opinion not a ton of fact. You have no idea who would have gotten in and how they would have performed since it's all about match-ups. The truth is that outside of Connecticut Brunson has been considered at the very least on par with Jones if not better. Their head to head match-ups have favored Brunson recently. I'm sure there have been other factors like injury and health. As far as Dupree, it's been documented that she was superior in the last worlds than Jones who wasn't even used while Dupree led in rebounding and was a part-time starter. Cash's playing time is a "victim" of depth not talent. They all would have been fine picks for team USA. There is no clear cut superiority. No need to suggest replacing either Cash or Jones and no need to downgrade the abilities of Brunson or Dupree. I've said it before and I still feel you could replace at least a 1/3 of this team with players who would give you just as much on the court and the US would be fine and win gold.
 
rjp172 said:
You should defend a former UConn player, but that's a lot of opinion not a ton of fact. You have no idea who would have gotten in and how they would have performed since it's all about match-ups. The truth is that outside of Connecticut Brunson has been considered at the very least on par with Jones if not better. Their head to head match-ups have favored Brunson recently. I'm sure there have been other factors like injury and health. As far as Dupree, it's been documented that she was superior in the last worlds than Jones who wasn't even used while Dupree led in rebounding and was a part-time starter. Cash's playing time is a "victim" of depth not talent. They all would have been fine picks for team USA. There is no clear cut superiority. No need to suggest replacing either Cash or Jones and no need to downgrade the abilities of Brunson or Dupree. I've said it before and I still feel you could replace at least a 1/3 of this team with players who would give you just as much on the court and the US would be fine and win gold.
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Thanks for correcting us. :rolleyes:
 
rjp172 said:
You should defend a former UConn player, but that's a lot of opinion not a ton of fact. You have no idea who would have gotten in and how they would have performed since it's all about match-ups. The truth is that outside of Connecticut Brunson has been considered at the very least on par with Jones if not better. Their head to head match-ups have favored Brunson recently. I'm sure there have been other factors like injury and health. As far as Dupree, it's been documented that she was superior in the last worlds than Jones who wasn't even used while Dupree led in rebounding and was a part-time starter. Cash's playing time is a "victim" of depth not talent. They all would have been fine picks for team USA. There is no clear cut superiority. No need to suggest replacing either Cash or Jones and no need to downgrade the abilities of Brunson or Dupree. I've said it before and I still feel you could replace at least a 1/3 of this team with players who would give you just as much on the court and the US would be fine and win gold.
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Then i would tell those people "outside" UCONN that they are ignorant as well. not that it matters, but Jones (13.1) is averaging 1.5 LESS PPG than Dupree (14.6). Hardly newsworthy. Jones hits 33% of her 3 pointers, neither Dupreee nor Brunson has that kind of range. This year alone, Jones is averaging over 2 PPG more than Brunson. I still maintain Jones is a superior defender to Dupree, a better offensive player than Brunson, and a better choice for the team.

And BTW, in the W this year, Jones 10.3 rebounds per game blows away Dupree's 7.2 by a mile. Brunson's 12.8 is clearly better. But we've already established based on FACTS that Jones is more versatile than either of the other two, and her offense is clearly superior to Brunson and her defense is clearly superior to Dupree's.

Additionally, Jones averaged over 20 PPG and 11 RPG in the Euroleague championships. Frankly, I would have chosen Jones over Cash, but to argue that Brunson or Dupree were better choices than Jones is ignorant. So i don't know how long ago you are using statistics, but if that were the only factor, Jones is superior recently to either of the other two. So yeah, the people who are angry that so many UCONN players represent team USA can say what they want. It's simply ignorant to say Jones is undeserving. And there you have a "ton of fact".

Any of those players would indeed have been fine choices. But it's people who are jealous of the success of UCONN and the fact that we represent 50% of the US National team that rankles those who criticize Jones' choice. And as I said before, people who say that are ignorant.
 
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Icebear said:
It was true. It is clear that CP3 just doesn't like being physical and bumping bodies inside. Interesting that Lisa as a former teammate would call her out.
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LLL said "TOO LIGHT" and that's a far cry from liking physicality. Some match ups are simply ba match ups, but that has nothing to do with what a player likes to do. CP3 gets to the line often, more often than most, and that's because she initates the contact. Players that initiate contact and get to the line are physical players that don't shy away from contact. Players like Tina and Big Syl have a stronger base and better ability to push players like Cambage out of the paint. That's why some players are defensive backs while other players are line backers...physical make up...but both like being physical.


Liz Cambage weighs 214
Fowles weighs 200
Tina weighs 198
Candace weighs 175
 
Justavisitor said:
LLL said "TOO LIGHT" and that's a far cry from liking physicality. Some match ups are simply ba match ups, but that has nothing to do with what a player likes to do. CP3 gets to the line often, more often than most, and that's because she initates the contact. Players that initiate contact and get to the line are physical players that don't shy away from contact. Players like Tina and Big Syl have a stronger base and better ability to push players like Cambage out of the paint. That's why some players are defensive backs while other players are line backers...physical make up...but both like being physical.


Liz Cambage weighs 214
Fowles weighs 200
Tina weighs 198
Candace weighs 175
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Lisa Leslie said she is too light. My observation was that CP3 doesn't like the contact, she doesn't, it is obvious in her play and hesitancy to go inside. I am not talking offense. She has little commitment to the battle.
 
Icebear said:
Lisa Leslie said she is too light. My observation was that CP3 doesn't like the contact, she doesn't, it is obvious in her play and hesitancy to go inside. I am not talking offense. She has little commitment to the battle.
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As you stated, that is your observation. However, those that have coached her don't share those same sentiments. There is no way a non-committed player can grab that many rebounds and block that many shots in the professional game. Stats don't support what you state and neither do her many coaches.
 
Justavisitor said:
LLL said "TOO LIGHT" and that's a far cry from liking physicality. Some match ups are simply ba match ups, but that has nothing to do with what a player likes to do. CP3 gets to the line often, more often than most, and that's because she initates the contact. Players that initiate contact and get to the line are physical players that don't shy away from contact. Players like Tina and Big Syl have a stronger base and better ability to push players like Cambage out of the paint. That's why some players are defensive backs while other players are line backers...physical make up...but both like being physical.


Liz Cambage weighs 214
Fowles weighs 200
Tina weighs 198
Candace weighs 175
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Liz Cambage weighed 214 when she was 12...not even close to that now! Don't believe everything you read...
 
ladybears4eva said:
and really... i doubt that Jones or Cash get any minutes in a game this close.....

what a waste of spots...

i know we could have used Dupree, Brunson, or any tough minded player..... to bang in the paint...rebound and secure the ball better. and play better defense
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Talk about chutzpah!

You Lady Bares All fans ought to be quiet. You had an Olympic roster spot offered to your All-American and she declined.
 
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