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Message: [QUOTE="TheFarmFan, post: 4854298, member: 9403"] +1. I tend to put more faith in a combination of statistics and "eye test" than mere Win/Loss, because over the years I've seen so many teams with terrible losses in November march to huge upsets in March. Was at the Stanford game where Duke took us to the brink, and I was very impressed. They are not a team that is going to beat themselves, so you're going to have to beat them. In that sense, they remind me a lot of OreSU: a little deficient in the ability to generate offense, but tidy, efficient, relentless defensive pressure, as well as a nifty ability to draw fouls. I would be extremely unhappy to be a #2 seed and face either of them in the second round as a #7 seed, so a ranking around 21-24 seems not unreasonable to me. [/QUOTE]