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LadyVolFan said:
Vowelguy, do you have an updated excel spreadsheet with class rankings posted anywhere?
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Updated ranks have just 2 changes to the top 20 from above:
Tenn up to #6 with 1604 pts
St Johns to #19 with 906 pts
 
vowelguy said:
Updated ranks have just 2 changes to the top 20 from above:
Tenn up to #6 with 1604 pts
St Johns to #19 with 906 pts
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If Jatarie White did go to Tennessee what would the rank be then? just curious.
 
Miami gets #85 Aisha Edwards, its 4th top-150 player, and jumps to #21.

23 of the top 150 (15%) are uncommitted:
#1-50: 8
#51-100: 4
#101-150: 11
 
Long time reader (of this thread), first time poster...

The Kathryn Westbeld sweepstakes could soon be coming to a close as she has already had her official visit with tOSU and has her official visit with ND this coming weekend. What impact would Westbeld have on the ranking of tOSU and ND?

...thanks, I'll sign-off and wait for your answer.
 
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Can someone ask Vowelguy how he will rank Canada when she commits somewhere? He has me on ignore. Thanks.
 
Stray Cat said:
Long time reader (of this thread), first time poster...

The Kathryn Westbeld sweepstakes could soon be coming to a close as she has already had her official visit with tOSU and has her official visit with ND this coming weekend. What impact would Westbeld have on the ranking of tOSU and ND?

...thanks, I'll sign-off and wait for your answer.
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Ohio St would be #2; ND would be #6.
 
UConnCat said:
Canada? Hasn't she already committed to UCLA?
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That's funny. I saw DD's comment and read Nurse, not Canada. Anyway, Kia Nurse is ranked #65 (LINK) because she is unranked by some services and so VG would give her the default low ranking.
 
Fightin Choke said:
That's funny. I saw DD's comment and read Nurse, not Canada. Anyway, Kia Nurse is ranked #65 (LINK) because she is unranked by some services and so VG would give her the default low ranking.
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I knew he meant Nurse.
 
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UConnCat said:
I knew he meant Nurse.
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No, you misinterpreted my post. I meant when I read DD's post, I didn't even notice he had typed "Canada." My brain immediately flipped it to "that UConn recruiting target from Canada." You were more observant than I was.
 
Fightin Choke said:
That's funny. I saw DD's comment and read Nurse, not Canada. Anyway, Kia Nurse is ranked #65 (LINK) because she is unranked by some services and so VG would give her the default low ranking.
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Having her as the 65th ranked recruit in his list it will impact the team that she commits to inaccurately considering her talent level. I've read she is more like a 10-15 level recruit.
 
Fightin Choke said:
No, you misinterpreted my post. I meant when I read DD's post, I didn't even notice he had typed "Canada." My brain immediately flipped it to "that UConn recruiting target from Canada." You were more observant than I was.
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That's the way I read it too.
 
Not trying to steal your thunder vowelguy, and I'm not even going to attempt to recreate the colored chart you did :eek: , but I've posted my own version of consensus/class rankings on my blog. They are obviously similar, but there are a few differences.

I started doing those consensus rankings a few years ago for a class and really enjoyed it. I've also been wanting to start a blog for a while now, so I decided to share these rankings as my first entry.

I'll update my class rankings over on the Summitt, but if you guys want to check out my blog I will try to keep it updated!

http://dubhoops.blogspot.com/
 
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tnvolfan65 said:
I'll update my class rankings over on the Summitt, but if you guys want to check out my blog I will try to keep it updated!

http://dubhoops.blogspot.com/
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tnvolfan65, I appreciate the tremenous amount of work put into this. My only issue is the formula, which I explain below.

This was my understanding of your formula:

I assigned the following values to players.
1: 100
2,3: 95
4,5: 90
6-10: 85
11-15: 80
16-25: 75
26-35: 70
36-50: 65
51-65: 60
66-80: 55
81-100: 50
101-130: 40
131-160: 30
161-200: 20
200+: 10

To calculate the number of points for the class I used this formula:
Recruit No. 1 x 3 + Recruit No. 2 x 2 + Recruit No. 3 x 1.5 + Recruit 4 + Recruit 5...

I felt like these values emphasized the elite of the elite recruits and the formula emphasized the top of each class. I feel like that both of these things are what makes major differences for teams.


My issue is that the formula rewards the quanitity of the class over the quality. For example, UConn has three players, all ranked between #10 and #16 on your list. Louisville has five players, none ranked in the Top 25 (the highest rated is #27). Yet Louisville has a higher rated class, in part because it has more recruits to accumulate more points.

I think there needs to be less differential among the top ten and among most of the top categories. As it stands, the formula rewards the larger classes more than the classes with fewer commitments but commitments from all truly elite players.
 
#37 McKenzie Calvert to USC.

Great pick up for Cooper and the Trojans.
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
#37 McKenzie Calvert to USC.

Great pick up for Cooper and the Trojans.
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Or #33
:)

With that, USC launches from the 40s to #16.

Just when I was about to say that it's been quiet!
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
tnvolfan65, I appreciate the tremenous amount of work put into this. My only issue is the formula, which I explain below.

My issue is that the formula rewards the quanitity of the class over the quality. For example, UConn has three players, all ranked between #10 and #16 on your list. Louisville has five players, none ranked in the Top 25 (the highest rated is #27). Yet Louisville has a higher rated class, in part because it has more recruits to accumulate more points.

I think there needs to be less differential among the top ten and among most of the top categories. As it stands, the formula rewards the larger classes more than the classes with fewer commitments but commitments from all truly elite players.
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Thanks Cam. I really appreciate your input.

I'm getting some of the same feedback on the Summitt with Vanderbilt's class being ranked above Tennessee's.

I'm completely open to changing up my formula. However, I would like to point out that while Uconn does have a quality trio, Louisville's quintet isn't too shabby. No they didn't have any players in the top 25, but they had four players in the top 50 with their latest coming in at 66th.

I did try to weigh the elite recruits heavily. A'ja Wilson alone would rank 27th as a recruiting class. Her and White together would rank seventh.

I know some may be biased here, but who's class is better in y'all's opinion?

Uconn- 10, 15, 16
Louisville- 27, 35, 48, 49, 66
 
tnvolfan65 said:
Thanks Cam. I really appreciate your input.

I'm getting some of the same feedback on the Summitt with Vanderbilt's class being ranked above Tennessee's.

I'm completely open to changing up my formula. However, I would like to point out that while Uconn does have a quality trio, Louisville's quintet isn't too shabby. No they didn't have any players in the top 25, but they had four players in the top 50 with their latest coming in at 66th.

I did try to weigh the elite recruits heavily. A'ja Wilson alone would rank 27th as a recruiting class. Her and White together would rank seventh.

I know some may be biased here, but who's class is better in y'all's opinion?

Uconn- 10, 15, 16
Louisville- 27, 35, 48, 49, 66
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I'm not a UConn fan, but I believe that UConn's class (based just on the rankings) is the class I would rather have. You get lots of quality without filling up too many slots. Most teams only give 7-8 players decent minutes, so if those players can all be highly regarded, you're doing great! I think the top 5 players typically encompass the 'franchise' players (difference makers for a program like Chiney, Diggins, Griner, KML, Stewart, Sims, Gray, etc.), so recruiting them is generally much better than getting 2 players in the early 20's. The talent drop-off is very steep, so players in the 40's are generally worth much less than players in the 20's. Of course there are always gems that are unearthed/developed who are much better than their rankings. Dolson was 39th in HoopsGurlz, but I don't know her composite ranking. Kayla McBride was ranked 20th, but she's better than many of the players ranked above her. But these players are very rare exceptions, statistically much less common than top 5 players that never reach their projected potential (list your favorite bust here, mines probably Sophia Loren). There's lots of information in the rankings, but there's a bit of variance that makes interpreting them literally a treacherous enterprise.
 
Fightin Choke said:
But these players are very rare exceptions, statistically much less common than top 5 players that never reach their projected potential (list your favorite bust here, mines probably Sophia Loren).
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One of the worst years was 97-98 Bluestar rankings.
#4 Carolyn Moos, #5 Juana Brown, #7 Maren Walseth, #8 Latoyna Sims and #9 Lisa Shepard all rated above, get this.....#22 Katie Douglas, #29 Coco Miller, #53 Ruth Riley, #72 Deanna "Tweety" Nolan. Yikes! :eek:
 
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meyers7 said:
One of the worst years was 97-98 Bluestar rankings.
#4 Carolyn Moos, #5 Juana Brown, #7 Maren Walseth, #8 Latoyna Sims and #9 Lisa Shepard all rated above, get this.....#22 Katie Douglas, #29 Coco Miller, #53 Ruth Riley, #72 Deanna "Tweety" Nolan. Yikes! :eek:
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You are comparing what they did in college and the pros, then going back to judge the high school rankings? Maybe they were not at that level in high school.
 
Fightin Choke said:
(list your favorite bust here, mines probably Sophia Loren).
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Or maybe Raquel Welch instead, but Sophia is a fine choice!

:D

[declining to post a suitable image here, tempting tho it may be]
 
vowelguy said:
Changes since last time:

  • [ ]Ohio St sneaks up to 3rd by landing #54 Asia Doss.
    [ ]Cal leaps 17th to 8th by getting #6 Gabby Green.
    [ ]Kentucky was nowhere earlier, but enters at 12th with Alyssa Rice (#22) and Alexis Jenninfgs (#67).
    [ ]Wake Forest (?!) debuts at #17.
    [ ]While most schools got pushed down by the new entrants, Stanford held at #21 thanks to improved ratings for Kaylee Johnson (up to #97).
    [ ]Vic Schaefer, former TAMU assistant, gets things going in his 2nd year at Miss St, entering at 24th
    [ ]ACC still leads by a wide margin with 13 top 50 and 22 of the top 100 players. The _average_ school has 814 pts.
    [ ]The AAC has Cincy at 48th, Temple 50, SMU 56, and Memphis 57.

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Does anyone factor in the past success the coach of each team has had with high ranking classes? It is subjective but does impact the results, up or down, each school with have with the chosen players.
 
meyers7 said:
ummm, yea, that's kinda the point.


Obviously.
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This is what I was referring to in the "impacts" the coach has once they are playing at UCONN. I feel Geno is the best at getting the most out of his players.
 
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