Maybe, I'm not sure what the difference between "media coverage" releases and the stated factual evidence of what various members of the PSU admin buried. There was a lot that was terrible about the PSU case, but I would say that the media coverage would not be anywhere near the top of my list. The decisions of a group of four men would be at the top.
The is no information to date that JoePA did anything other than exactly what he should under PA law nor that he knew anything more about any of it than what McQuerry had told him. There is no evidence he participated in any cover up or ever made any attempt to hide any information. I will not be surprised to find out the Schultz and Curley handled everything between themselves and in house. You mentioned the students defending Joe not surprising because the media never followed up or gave coverage to the efforts students made on behalf of victims and against abuse. It wasn't sensational I guess. They held Blue Out events, raised funds, held vigils, and organized One Heart PSU.
Tell me David what you actually know about this. Anything first hand. I doubt it. You likely only know the image painted by ESPN which was crap. Tell me how many people knew how wide spread that knowledge was.
Well, again, everyone has different codes of conduct. The RC hierarchy did what was required of them by church law in their institution about the horrible abuses going on. And it grew into a massive system of accommodation. None of the prelates "needed" to speak up about the abuses, and all but a few ignored them.
Oh just get over it. Duke is the one to blame in this mess. If the Devils hadn't exerted such extreme pressure on the Heels to succeed in football and the other sports, they never would have felt compelled to put a toe or two over the line. I think there should be a huge no-holds-barred investigation into Duke's role in this mess, maybe starting with JP McCallie. That's where the smoking gun lies.Ok.... lets get this thread back to the original topic .... bashing UNC
Wow. Judgmental much?
If you say so. Some of us don't really worship guys who facilitate child abuse with their silence, but you can have your own views on that. Just different standards of personal conduct. Maybe the victims could persuade you otherwise, but probably not.
Since you do not live as a mandated reporter under PA law and I do I can tell you that you are off the mark. We are warned not to make further inquiries once we have reported suspected abuse or we can face interference and obstruction of justice charges. The training is very specific. You report it to the top of the pyramid and let it go. If I wrote the law I would require it to be the State Police but that is not how the law is written.
It's not that. You have the typical media driven hysterical response to this story. I do not worship anything about PSU or the Paterno family, but I will readily admit that I don't know the whole story, and neither do most people who are screaming for a public hanging who have mostly based their opinion on biased sources like ESPN and the bought by PSU (as if that isn't suspicious in and of itself) Freeh report.
A few basic facts were brought out that you can't just sweep with claims of some media hysteria witch hunt. Joe Paterno was informed by his assistant of what had happened in a shower room, and he decided over the years that the only follow-up that was needed from him was to have Sandusky's responsibilities quietly closed down so that he could be shunted off to his "charity work" with young boys.
Ah, the letter of the law. We can never do more than just bow our heads to the letter of the law, can we?
A number of years ago as I was pondering my future after my job ended, I did a good deal of research into the possibility of providing some audit services (not books, policies and procedures) for the multiple small churches in the NJ area. As part of that I discovered the various mandatory reporting laws of the various local states that I would have been working in - in fact, the information in NJ that I could find at the time was so vague that I had to correspond by e-mail with the state office responsible to get a clear understanding.
No one said anything different than what you just wrote. All I am talking about is where for PA educators a teacher reports (to the administrator) who then files the report with Youth and Family and police. In the case to PSU those are exactly who Tim Curley and Gary Schultz are the administrator and the person responsible for the university police who are a full police force. Required reporting to State Police would help to move such reports beyond all local interests and politics not just at PSU or any university but, also, local communities.
As I said the explanation given to me was that there had been past problems of prosecution. My suspicion is the process is to isolate the primary reporter (the teacher) from any supposed possibility of back flow of information from investigations by further inquiries.
All the details about the Sandusky case have been argued over very eloquently and sometimes too heatedly on many sites, and rehashing them all here is maybe not the best use of time. The Paterno backers will say he knew nothing of all the early investigations about Sandusky and that the defensive coordinator's very early retirement was just coincidental, and others will say that Paterno knew about absolutely everything that happened at PSU and that the schedule interruptions for Paterno in the late 1990s point to involvement in the school's handling of a ghastly situation. But yeah, until the smoking gun is found, the Paterno apologists will proclaim that the man who knew everything happening at his school knew "nothing, nothing," as current governor's are insisting about their own scandals.
No none of that is in evidence yet. There are exactly two people central to the events that violated their responsibilities. Even the issues surrounding Spanier are extremely vague. The Freeh report was revealed for the joke it is. Lot's of inferences an next to no evidence. The NCAA should have waited for the trials to be held. As it is now if Curley and/or Schultz come clean and are the sole persons responsible then the NCAA has taken action on wrong information. Remember that everything the university supposedly "should have known" was equally unknown to people who worked with Sandusky longer and closer than the university at Second Mile. They too were completely blindsided. Sandusky had even been investigated by police professionals in the past and cleared the required clearances for working with youth.
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