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UMass Announces Intention To Play Football in Fall 2020

AndOne said:
Oh boy. UMass is more serious about football than UConn.

Absolutely no to restarting this fall for UConn. Randy and the players made that decision together. They rather lift weights and practice against each other or some nonsense like that. #RespectTheirDecision LOL
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Don’t assume that’s really what happened in regards to the players. It wasn’t. The situation was misrepresented to them. They know that now.
 
Hornet22 said:
Stop lying. Please. Thank you
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If anyone has ever repeatedly been wrong (and I am phrasing it kindly) about an issue, it’s you. Everything Chief said weeks ago has played out. The UConn players feel the same way as the UMass players (why is that surprising?). Just that the UMass coach and AD listened and acted to correct their mistake.
 
I’d imagine you are correct about the players except for a few and a couple of vocal parents. The UMass situation will be interesting with all the budget cuts and furloughs. They don’t hate football here, it is just apathy.
 
Chief00 said:
If anyone has ever repeatedly been wrong (and I am phrasing it kindly) about an issue, it’s you. Everything Chief said weeks ago has played out. The UConn players feel the same way as the UMass players (why is that surprising?). Just that the UMass coach and AD listened and acted to correct their mistake.
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Chief - a lot of people here have a direct connection to the team and so far none are reporting the team atmosphere to as frustrated as you are presenting it to be.

I think hardcorehusky pretty much outlined the real situation- the Gov office is not supportive of the team playing (risk, cost, travel hypocrisy, etc) and so here we are taking a collective “red shirt year.”

In a typical winter 2 to 5 kids exit the program. Surely that will happen again this year and so I wouldn’t construe these inevitable departures as unusual. If we get more than 5 then perhaps there is some substance to the idea of general frustration with the approach of this administration and the coaching staff.

Me, I think a couple of games this fall has more benefit than harm- but oh well....
 
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Exit 4 said:
Chief - a lot of people here have a direct connection to the team and so far none are reporting the team atmosphere to as frustrated as you are presenting it to be.

I think hardcorehusky pretty much outlined the real situation- the Gov office is not supportive of the team playing (risk, cost, travel hypocrisy, etc) and so here we are taking a collective “red shirt year.”

In a typical winter 2 to 5 kids exit the program. Surely that will happen again this year and so I wouldn’t construe these inevitable departures as unusual. If we get more than 5 then perhaps there is some substance to the idea of general frustration with the approach of this administration and the coaching staff.

Me, I think a couple of games this fall has more benefit than harm- but oh well....
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They are very frustrated, Chief doesn’t say things like that recklessly without confirmed knowledge. I guess this is just my point, the time to do something about a problem is to get out in front of it before the exodus occurs. We seem to still be in the denial phase.
 
Chief00 said:
If anyone has ever repeatedly been wrong (and I am phrasing it kindly) about an issue, it’s you. Everything Chief said weeks ago has played out. The UConn players feel the same way as the UMass players (why is that surprising?). Just that the UMass coach and AD listened and acted to correct their mistake.
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Again, stop lying to the message board. Thank you
 
Chief00 said:
They are very frustrated, Chief doesn’t say things like that recklessly without confirmed knowledge. I guess this is just my point, the time to do something about a problem is to get out in front of it before the exodus occurs. We seem to still be in the denial phase.
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Players who entered the portal have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH UCONN OPTING OUT OF THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!

Of course the players want to play Captain Obvious and especially after seeing other teams playing- probably more so because former teammates of theirs have played so far. As a fan, of course you can Monday Morning QB this thing and wish UConn would have taken a different path- especially after seeing other teams play.

But let’s not forget- this entire season has been a Shxt Show with cancelled games and blowouts. If I were a UConn player and at the time losing a year of eligibility was in my face not to mention navigating the hazards of contact tracing- I wouldn’t want to play in that either. No fans, no bands equals Doo Doo football. Say whatever you want- this season is a dumpster fire.

This narrative of yours that there’s some impending mutiny within the program because the players feel so betrayed is a sham and fraudulent. Being happy with not playing your sport that you have played for life Is a far cry from hating on a program that decided to preserve a year of eligibility for you without risking injury (Lack of true preparation) or sickness.

Just stop it already.
 
I commend Umass for having the courage to do something against the mob especially in the state of Mass and Charlie Baker. I wish UConn had the balls to do this.

Might just be 4 games for Umass but let’s be honest for about 80 percent of the country it’s always been an exhibition season. Bowl games are glorified exhibition games. I have always been a proponent of having a 25 team playoff.
 
There is nowhere near a consensus among doctors that healthy young men who get covid and then recover are going to be free from long term consequences of this. A leading pulmonologist in the area thinks there is a good chance that young men who don't get sick when they have the virus will have a much greater risk of issues down the road.

No one knows for sure how great the risks being taken to play are, and it will be 40 years before we know for sure how much damage the LSU football team -- if it was planned that they all just be exposed to it early -- will suffer for the choice. A little more patience for the other side of the debate -- whichever side you're on -- would be much smarter than this discussion. Because not one person in the world knows for sure what the long range consequences will be.
 
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businesslawyer said:
There is nowhere near a consensus among doctors that healthy young men who get covid and then reqover are going to be free from long term consequences of this. A leading pulmonologist in the area thinks there is a good chance that young men who don't get sick when they have the virus will have a much greater risk of issues down the road.

No one knows for sure how great the risks being taken to play are, and it will be 40 years before we know for sure how much damage the LSU football team -- if it was planned that they all just be exposed to it early -- will suffer for the choice. A little more patience for the other side of the debate -- whichever side you're on -- would be much smarter than this discussion. Because not one person in the world knows for sure what the long range consequences will be.
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For god sake Biz. We have somebody speaking of themselves in the third person as an authority on this. What better science could you possibly want?
 
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Chief00 said:
They are very frustrated, Chief doesn’t say things like that recklessly without confirmed knowledge. I guess this is just my point, the time to do something about a problem is to get out in front of it before the exodus occurs. We seem to still be in the denial phase.
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I don’t see how any competitive athlete whose been working since Pop Warner to have a chance to play college football isn’t beyond frustrated. Logic and experience align with Chief’s comments. The party line should be viewed with a proper dose of cynicism.
 
Slick said:
The Coach of the National Championship Team LSU said his ENTIRE TEAM has had Covid. They quarantined them, test them again and they are ready and healthy to play football . Now that the whole team has antibodies Coach Orgeron said they should stay healthy for at least the entire season.
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Orgeron knows a fair bit about football, but even virologists, epidemiologists, and other medical professionals with far more direct education and relevant professional experience do NOT appear to have reached science-based agreement regarding SARS-2 anti-body immunity, potential duration, etc. For example, multiple contrasting submissions in today’s New England Journal of Medicine:

 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Orgeron knows a fair bit about football, but even virologists, epidemiologists, and other medical professionals with far more direct education and relevant professional experience do NOT appear to have reached science-based agreement regarding SARS-2 anti-body immunity, potential duration, etc. For example, multiple contrasting submissions in today’s New England Journal of Medicine:

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Keeping above the weeds - whatever - these kids will be fine positive or negative. It doesn’t impact them much. Why is that so hard for aging baby boomers to understand?
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I'll try one more time. You can rationally conclude that college football players are highly unlikely to die from the virus before recovering. There is a medical consensus to support that. You have no idea whether their organs will, however, be permanently weakened from having had the virus and the odds are much higher that they will pay a price long term. You can't know this because the medical community can't know it until it gets to see how people who had it fare LONG TERM.
 
businesslawyer said:
There is nowhere near a consensus among doctors that healthy young men who get covid and then reqover are going to be free from long term consequences of this. A leading pulmonologist in the area thinks there is a good chance that young men who don't get sick when they have the virus will have a much greater risk of issues down the road.

No one knows for sure how great the risks being taken to play are, and it will be 40 years before we know for sure how much damage the LSU football team -- if it was planned that they all just be exposed to it early -- will suffer for the choice. A little more patience for the other side of the debate -- whichever side you're on -- would be much smarter than this discussion. Because not one person in the world knows for sure what the long range consequences will be.
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I agree, no one knows anything for sure. So we should wait 40 years to play football again?
 
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It has only been three days so way too early to tell, but I wonder if this ends in UMass “announcing” they will play vs them actually ever playing a meaningful # of games?
 
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gampelcrazies said:
But I thought UConn was trend setters for cancelling. I was told no fall football.

Nothing ever goes right for UConn football. It's amazing.
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It was idiotic they were the first, it made them look even smaller time than they are. If they don't play football in some fashion this season it's most likely the end of the football program.
 
businesslawyer said:
I'll try one more time. You can rationally conclude that college football players are highly unlikely to die from the virus before recovering. There is a medical consensus to support that. You have no idea whether their organs will, however, be permanently weakened from having had the virus and the odds are much higher that they will pay a price long term. You can't know this because the medical community can't know it until it gets to see how people who had it fare LONG TERM.
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But they are not likely catching the virus from football. More likely from other aimless stuff. There’s probably an opportunity cost against catching the virus when playing football, because they are not spending the time with riskier behavior.
 
Sorry, that flies in the face of observation. Lineman line up against the same person, face to face, for ten seconds at a time, scores of times a game or practice. If you're in the pitts, it seems self evident that that is risky behavior. That's why some states said play 7 of 7 spread out over the field, and we're fine if you eliminate lineman.

Again, everyone is assuming, but that's hardly an irrational assumption. not saying it's right. Only time will tell that.
 
Chief00 said:
I agree, no one knows anything for sure. So we should wait 40 years to play football again?
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No one will ever confuse biz with a free spirit. Carpe Diem.
 
businesslawyer said:
That was rhetorical, correct?
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Actually, it wasn't......for whatever reason I continue to struggle with the fact that someone could, in fact, be that obtuse.

I feel like this board is representative of the world we currently live in......overly simplify complex problems and repeat them ad nuaseum into a megaphone. Repeat and then start insults.

Dealing with this virus is a very complex issue and its impact is significantly different from individual to individual.

......and before some knucklehead calls me a pantywaist, I am not overly concerned about this virus for myself or immediate family and I can see both sides of the argument on playing football. But solutions are NOT simple.
 
businesslawyer said:
I'll try one more time. You can rationally conclude that college football players are highly unlikely to die from the virus before recovering. There is a medical consensus to support that. You have no idea whether their organs will, however, be permanently weakened from having had the virus and the odds are much higher that they will pay a price long term. You can't know this because the medical community can't know it until it gets to see how people who had it fare LONG TERM.
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Totally agree with you here.

It’s so amazing to me how quickly people (fans) are ready to say, “These kids will be fine.” Mind you it’s not their kid and it’s all for Their entertainment on Saturdays. It’s eye opening how these players‘ lives are valued. I could live without college football for a year if it means doctors and science can get more clarity on this virus.
Way too many unknowns in these early stages
 
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