UCONN's Future

[Durks07]

I think if you said this to a state troopers face he would punch you in the throat and then taser your @$$. There is only one state trooper and that is the dudes who drive around in the unmarked cruisers not some college police department.

There is a reason why they are called the UCONN Police Department and not the Connecticut State Police.

I wish they would. It would be nice to have the money to pay my student loans.

 

[JMick]

I wish they would. It would be nice to have the money to pay my student loans.

Seems like all you have to do nowadays is record a cop and he'll snap at you. Could be a means to recoup your costs haha

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Or she could stand up for the school and it's students instead of letting the town of Mansfield run roughshod over off-campus students and development. The town is unfriendly to students and she has done nothing to address the issue. It's funny because it's about to bite the school in the butt while the town tries to stall development.

In your opinion, how do some current UCONN students or some young alumni perceive some students are now run roughshod by the town of Mansfield? Similarly, what's your opinion on how some people perceive Mansfield is unfriendly to some students? Which facts support the opinions?

Again in your opinion, why do you or possibly some others perceive President Herbst has done nothing to address some individuals' perception of unidentified issues? How do some students, or possibly some recent alumni, believe unidentified issues have changed at UCONN in the face of possible improvements in recent years?

Factually versus symbolic perceptions, where's the potential humor?

 

[Stainmaster]

Or she could stand up for the school and it's students instead of letting the town of Mansfield run roughshod over off-campus students and development. The town is unfriendly to students and she has done nothing to address the issue. It's funny because it's about to bite the school in the butt while the town tries to stall development.

You have no knowledge of the current state of town politics or university-town relations. I would advise you to stand down.

 

[JMick]

In your opinion, how do some current UCONN students or some young alumni perceive some students are now run roughshod by the town of Mansfield? Similarly, what's your opinion on how some people perceive Mansfield is unfriendly to some students? Which facts support the opinions?

Again in your opinion, why do you or possibly some others perceive President Herbst has done nothing to address some individuals' perception of unidentified issues? How do some students, or possibly some recent alumni, believe unidentified issues have changed at UCONN in the face of possible improvements in recent years?

Factually versus symbolic perceptions, where's the potential humor?

Public condemnation towards the town of Mansfield for passing ordinances directed to impede off-campus student growth and renters rights would be a nice start

 

[Alum86]

Every generation of student believes they are somehow put upon by their president.

They're not.

I remember we had a president in the '80s, dibiaggio or something, then the Herb look alike. Never saw them really, never cared. Didn't see profs sometimes, they had T.A.s fill in. Again, no biggie, sure nothing personal I am sure. Kids need to get over themselves. Fishy is right.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Public condemnation towards the town of Mansfield for passing ordinances directed to impede off-campus student growth and renters rights would be a nice start

So, no facts, only opinions? No details on issues? No view on how things have changed versus prior administrations?

As much as UCONN wants to increase student population, what's the likelihood bigger overall university considerations influence benefits/costs than poo pooing or accommodating student whims with some more off-campus rental properties? Regardless, how would publicly condemning the town of Mansfield help overall town-gown relations?

 

[JMick]

So, no facts, only opinions? No details on issues? No view on how things have changed versus prior administrations?

As much as UCONN wants to increase student population, what's the likelihood bigger overall university considerations influence benefits/costs than poo pooing or accommodating student whims with some more off-campus rental properties? Regardless, how would publicly condemning the town of Mansfield help overall town-gown relations?

Town-University relations are an absolute mess and always have been. It's time the University takes a hard stance against the actions proposed and enacted by the town of Mansfield. Press action would be nice, outing the town as the simple-minded, selfish, egotistical folk they are. Instead.... nothing. Bring national attention to the fact that a tiny little town that wouldn't survive without the University actively stifles the growth of one of the best Universities in the country. Bring attention to all of the services the town of Mansfield receives due to the Universities presence. The town has passed quasi-illegal ordinances that would most likely not hold up in court, but they know that the people targeted by their ordinances (nuisance and renters ordinances) do not have the funds to fight anything in court.

 

[J187Money]

Such as?

 

[Stainmaster]

Town-University relations are an absolute mess and always have been. It's time the University takes a hard stance against the actions proposed and enacted by the town of Mansfield. Press action would be nice, outing the town as the simple-minded, selfish, egotistical folk they are. Instead.... nothing. Bring national attention to the fact that a tiny little town that wouldn't survive without the University actively stifles the growth of one of the best Universities in the country. Bring attention to all of the services the town of Mansfield receives due to the Universities presence. The town has passed quasi-illegal ordinances that would most likely not hold up in court, but they know that the people targeted by their ordinances (nuisance and renters ordinances) do not have the funds to fight anything in court.

This alone shows you can't be taken seriously.

 

[JMick]

Such as?

Nuisance ordinance: Unlawful conduct includes, but is not limited to, individually or in combination with other misbehavior, excessive pedestrian and vehicular traffic(*a), obstruction of public streets by crowds or vehicles, illegal parking(*b), the service of alcohol to underage persons, underage drinking, fights, creating a public disturbance, breach of the peace, trespassing, disorderly conduct, littering, simple assault, threatening, harassment, illegal burning or use of fireworks, urinating or defecating in public, lewdness, criminal mischief, crimes against property, or excessive noise.

A.) This ordinance has been used to shut down streets heavily rented by UCONN students which impede their Freedom of Movement rights. (For the uninitiated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law) The town has used this to block free travel within the town by setting up diversions and the closings of roads that lead to and from campus.

B.) This section within the ordinance coupled with another town ordinance has ticketed renters and vehicle owners alike who choose to park one or more tires on the grass of their rented property. This is used by police to come unto rented properties as it as seen as a violation of the ordinance.

Couple these with the ordinance imposed on rental properties to allow no more than 3 unrelated persons to rent a dwelling of any size and it's obvious what the towns agenda is. A 15 bedroom house can only rent to 3 persons, in effect driving up rental costs to discourage rentals. One could argue that the ordinance impedes the free market and creates a monopoly to established owners who are grandfathered into allowing more than 3 persons per dwelling.

 

[BlueMAB]

The town of Mansfield wouldn't survive without UConn? Huh?!

I tried to give you the benefit of doubt, but you're starting to sound like the spoiled brat that people initially accused you of being.

 

[JMick]

The town of Mansfield wouldn't survive without UConn? Huh?!

I tried to give you the benefit of doubt, but you're starting to sound like the spoiled brat that people initially accused you of being.

The entirety of the towns economy is sustained due to the University. Without the school the town would incur a humongous loss of revenue through taxes. Housing prices would fall and Mansfield would turn into a slum.

 

[BlueMAB]

And this is the petty crap you think Herbst should be getting involved in? Talk about self-absorbed.

 

[BlueMAB]

The entirety of the towns economy is sustained due to the University. Without the school the town would incur a humongous loss of revenue through taxes. Housing prices would fall and Mansfield would turn into a slum.

Who are the towns largest taxpayers, and what percentage of the grand list do they account for?

 

[JMick]

Who are the towns largest taxpayers, and what percentage of the grand list do they account for?

Businesses and rental property owners. All supported by students

 

[CTMike]

This isn't just a pile on JMick thread... But I would propose that much of what you mention are perceived affronts to your freedom, versus actual real encroachments on your life liberty and pursuit of happiness.

 

[huskymedic]

Nuisance ordinance: Unlawful conduct includes, but is not limited to, individually or in combination with other misbehavior, excessive pedestrian and vehicular traffic(*a), obstruction of public streets by crowds or vehicles, illegal parking(*b), the service of alcohol to underage persons, underage drinking, fights, creating a public disturbance, breach of the peace, trespassing, disorderly conduct, littering, simple assault, threatening, harassment, illegal burning or use of fireworks, urinating or defecating in public, lewdness, criminal mischief, crimes against property, or excessive noise.

A.) This ordinance has been used to shut down streets heavily rented by UCONN students which impede their Freedom of Movement rights. (For the uninitiated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law) The town has used this to block free travel within the town by setting up diversions and the closings of roads that lead to and from campus.

B.) This section within the ordinance coupled with another town ordinance has ticketed renters and vehicle owners alike who choose to park one or more tires on the grass of their rented property. This is used by police to come unto rented properties as it as seen as a violation of the ordinance.

Couple these with the ordinance imposed on rental properties to allow no more than 3 unrelated persons to rent a dwelling of any size and it's obvious what the towns agenda is. A 15 bedroom house can only rent to 3 persons, in effect driving up rental costs to discourage rentals. One could argue that the ordinance impedes the free market and creates a monopoly to established owners who are grandfathered into allowing more than 3 persons per dwelling.

Imagine that... residents want to be treated w/ respect and not have their property values go in the crapper by a subset of students who could care less they are non-resident. This happens in college towns across America. Take a look down towards the shoreline at the battle between Town of Hamden and Quinnipiac University. Neither side is winning the Dic/Dic contest.

 

[JMick]

This isn't just a pile on JMick thread... But I would propose that much of what you mention are perceived affronts to your freedom, versus actual real encroachments on your life liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Well, it's always a "pile on anyone who doesn't support Herbst" thread, like every other thread that mentions her name.

God forbid someone give a dissenting opinion. Nothing worse than an echo-chamber.

I don't like her. A lot of people don't like her. Students who actually went/go to school at UCONN while she has been/is the President of the University probably have a better idea of general student sentiments... just sayin.

Herbst doesn't react well to student-driven policy issues and doesn't acknowledge daily issues UCONN students face. She may be great for the bigger picture, worth of your degree, etc. But she has had questionable gaffes in relation to on campus incidents and has not helped off-campus students in any capacity with their issues related to the town of Mansfield.

Everyone can tell me I'm wrong all they want, but I'm not the only recent grad or current student who shares these sentiments.

 

[JMick]

Imagine that... residents want to be treated w/ respect and not have their property values go in the crapper by a subset of students who could care less they are non-resident. This happens in college towns across America. Take a look down towards the shoreline at the battle between Town of Hamden and Quinnipiac University. Neither side is winning the Dic/Dic contest.

Residents that live .1 miles off of UCONN campus and complain about student activity can go F themselves. UCONN has been here since the 19th century - most of the people complaining haven't been here 10 years. They get lower housing prices because of the school. They get all of the locally owned businesses they have access to because of the school. They get great education fueled by the taxes of these businesses due to the town. They want to reap all of the benefits without any of the implicated slights living right next to a college campus.

 

[BlueMAB]

Businesses and rental property owners. All supported by students

Who, specifically. The information is out there. Generic answers like "businesses and rental property owners" is just plain wrong.

Who specifically are the largest taxpayers? I'll give you a hint, it's a utility company. But what percentage of the grand list does it make up? I'll give another hint, less than 1%.

The residents make up around 2/3rds of the grand list, not the businesses. You pretty much have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Nostical]

So JMick, here's an old adage that goes "try walking in the other guys shoes". Let's pretend you're no longer a student renter. You're actually a property owner who is renting to students. Now you're at the Town Meeting to discuss these proposed ordinances. Have at it.

 

[BlueMAB]

1) lower housing prices is not a good thing.
2) the lower housing prices would be an indicator that the slights are not implicated, but actually very real.

 

[JMick]

So JMick, here's an old adage that goes "try walking in the other guys shoes". Let's pretend you're no longer a student renter. You're actually a property owner who is renting to students. Now you're at the Town Meeting to discuss these proposed ordinances. Have at it.

Town Property owners who rent to students agree with me... Rented for 2 years, they hate the town ordinances that prevent them from renting their 4-5 bedroom houses to more than 3 people. They resent that the town sends out enforcement agents to check on rental properties to assure no more than 3 cars are in the driveway. They resent the fact that there are town officials who will park their car outside their rentals and take pictures of how many people go in and out of a residence during a given period. They resent the fact that the town goes to all properties and gives them a "parking sheet" that details how cars must be parked in a driveway - and if you don't park your cars in that fashion you will be fined.

Seriously, I'm not kidding. The town decides how you're allowed to park in your own driveway. If you don't park in the "authorized" parking spaces, you are fined.

 

[BlueMAB]

So JMick, here's an old adage that goes "try walking in the other guys shoes". Let's pretend you're no longer a student renter. You're actually a property owner who is renting to students. Now you're at the Town Meeting to discuss these proposed ordinances. Have at it.

Now let's pretend the student, who is there for 3-5 years, and believes that not being able to park a car on a lawn he doesn't own is a violation of his civil liberties, just told you to . Because that's reasonable discourse.

Yeah, Herbst sucks for not sticking up for these entitled brats.