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Why on god's green earth do you think Emmert gives a flying frick what some politicians in Connecticut said about him 5 or more years after he had left town for a much more prestigious and significantly better paying gig? That is just silly. Nobody, and I mean nobody gets upset about what state legislators say. They are the clown princes of politics.

Because people are petty and small minded? And its human nature? You ever hear Emmert react when he's challenged at a press conference? He's exhibit A.

You talk like someone being willfully contrarian just to uphold your role as "clown prince of the boneyard."
 

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as I was saying....huge .
 

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You talk like someone being willfully contrarian just to uphold your role as "clown prince of the boneyard."

You nailed Little Scoots MO from the day he showed up here and applied for "clown prince" status.
 
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I will be really interested to see if evidence comes to light that U Florida football and administration officials knew and the tried to cover-up what Aaron Hernandez was up to during his days as an all-conference Gator and winning the ’09 national championship.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9446754/mass-police-investigate-aaron-hernandez-possible-role-2007-gainesville-shooting-according-sources
Personally, based on Coach Myer’s response to date, which looks like he was coached by legal council in advance, I believe there maybe smoke here.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/07/06/urban-meyer-denies-enabling-aaron-hernandez/2494937/
If indeed smoke does lead to a fire, will Emmert and the NCAA step in like they did with Penn State?
What happened in Penn State was horrendous and there should be repercussions. But, the NCAA has jurisdiction over athletics and academics, not criminal activities. Emmert clearly saw an opportunity to ride in on a white horse to ‘save’ the world, ‘Our job is to take these schools down.’ In doing so, he ignored the NCAA’s own policies and procedures just so that he could stroke his own ego.
 

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Are you telling me that other big time programs don't have kids transfer and leave to pursue NBA deams? I'm not saying that we had serious academic issues. We had APR issues. We simply did not pay attention to that issue mainly because Calhoun didn't care and Hathaway didn't want to spend the money to follow up.

Other programs had kids transfer and leave to pursue NBA dreams, yes. Other programs also found ways around the APR rules and standards, including illegal ways like UNC. There is a fundamental problem with academics among college athletes in the NCAA. An APR score isnt going to resolve that. NCAA's APR is not a measure of 'academic progress' if schools are finding ways around penalties. Schools cheated their way around sanctions. UConn simply accepted the fact that there was a fundamental problem and they weren't going to cheat their way around the APR issues.


North Carolina had a different set of problems. They gave out bogus grades for non-existent courses. So their APR and Grad rates are impossible to measure. But the bottom line is that UConn simply didn't pay attention to APR when it was obvious that it was going to be a problem. Instead of addressing it they let it fester and let the NCAA have a target. Let's face it,if the APR crackdown had only hit Toledo and Northern South Dakota, nobody would have paid attention. UConn's ineptitude on this front was a serious error on its part.

Would you rather have UConn cheated their way around the APR penalties? The university was working towards changing the academic culture. The issue is that the APR penalties were applied retroactively.

You're right... no one would have paid attention if the APR crackdown only hit Toledo and Northern South Dakota... that's why is obvious that Emmert targeted UConn to set an example by applying these retroactive penalties. It's bull$hit.
 
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Other programs had kids transfer and leave to pursue NBA dreams, yes. Other programs also found ways around the APR rules and standards, including illegal ways like UNC. And that is what UConn should have done. Not cheated as UNC clearly did, but found a legitimate way around the problem. We did not do that, in part because Calhoun figured that nobody would get upset at him over the penalties, and he was right though reportedly he was very ticked off that the school imposed the penalty that was included in his contract, and he didn't foresee that the NCAA would suddenly decide to get tough on APR violators. He was willing to accept a penalty. He simply guessed wrong on what it would be. And for all the bashing Emmert takes, it was the Presidents who approved the change that bagged UConn. There is a fundamental problem with academics among college athletes in the NCAA. An APR score isnt going to resolve that. NCAA's APR is not a measure of 'academic progress' if schools are finding ways around penalties. Don't disagree with this. Schools cheated their way around sanctions.As far as we know to date, 1 school cheated. That does not excuse UConn for its failure, however. UConn simply accepted the fact that there was a fundamental problem and they weren't going to cheat their way around the APR issues. As has been demonstrated by something like 315 other schools, you don't have to cheat to work the system. You merely have to pay attention. We should have paid attention. We saw the problem looming but ignored it.
Would you rather have UConn cheated their way around the APR penalties? The university was working towards changing the academic culture. The issue is that the APR penalties were applied retroactively. Again, paying attention to a looming problem and making changes to avoid said problem doesn't equate to cheating to address it. Unless you

You're right... no one would have paid attention if the APR crackdown only hit Toledo and Northern South Dakota... that's why is obvious that Emmert targeted UConn to set an example by applying these retroactive penalties. It's bull$hit.I agree with this too. But, and its a huge but, if we had paid attention back in 2007-8 or so when this first became an issue, there would have been nothing to target. If we had gotten our program back into compliance it wouldn't have mattered what the NCAA did. But our scores were 909, 844, 826, and averaged 893 against a minimum of 925. We had 2 consecutive years below 900, another NCAA benchmark,and a year where we barely stayed above the limit and Calhoun basically told the NCAA to stuff it. And here's the really stupid part, UConn knew how to do it. In the past we have had the odd bad year, but always followed it up with better than average years. 885 in 20044-5 was followed up with 2 better than average years in 2005-06 and 06-07. If we had followed that model in 2008 when the scores dropped precipitously or even 2009, we had a fighting chance of building sympathy. We ignored the problem and said its easier to take the NCAA's wimpy penalties. Unfortunately they had the power to change the rules and they did.
 

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I honestly didn't think this was still a question. Obviously, the NCAA (nee Emmert) was targeting certain programs and others protected. In UCONN's case, the retroactive nonsense followed by the sudden decision to use the most current data literally days after the school year ended. They couldn't have been more obvious if they announced it on selection sunday after the field was announced.

And to those who don' t think someone like Emmert would hold a grudge, think again.
 
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The real damage, which was most likely preconceived by those asses, was inflicting Uconn in 2012 with a badly tarnished reputation at the height of realignments, which they foresaw. It involved real perfect planning and precise execution. Some key media members were probably paid to do some bloody hatchet job of attacking Calhoun. Someone said it was the perfect storm; it was. Their goal was to put public relations stench on Uconn so that the power conferences would shy away from the school, which actually did happen. JC got caught in the middle. He was a small fish - as ludicrous as that may sound. Uconn was the big fish to catch and fry. Calhoun was the means. The lasting damage, especially logistics wise, is that Uconn is trapped in the belly of low-earning AAC.
 
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The real damage, which was most likely preconceived by those asses, was inflicting Uconn in 2012 with a badly tarnished reputation at the height of realignments, which they foresaw. It involved real perfect planning and precise execution. Some key media members were probably paid to do some bloody hatchet job of attacking Calhoun. Someone said it was the perfect storm; it was. Their goal was to put public relations stench on Uconn so that the power conferences would shy away from the school, which actually did happen. JC got caught in the middle. He was a small fish - as ludicrous as that may sound. Uconn was the big fish to catch and fry. Calhoun was the means. The lasting damage, especially logistics wise, is that Uconn is trapped in the belly of low-earning AAC.
Stop the nonsense. The APR mess was a self inflicted wound. UConn failed to meet the annual goal for 3 consecutive years, yet took no action on its own to try and correct the problem. It was on a muti-year downward trend while everyone else in the college basketball world was trending the other way I know nobody wants to blame Calhoun, but he absolutely deserves some of it. Hathaway deserves some and while everyone wants to blame Emmert, in many ways he is the least culpable in this, because without the approval of the university presidents, none of it would have happened. It was guys like Walter Harrison and our new besty, Scott Cowen who pushed for this.
 

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Stop the nonsense. The APR mess was a self inflicted wound. UConn failed to meet the annual goal for 3 consecutive years, yet took no action on its own to try and correct the problem. It was on a muti-year downward trend while everyone else in the college basketball world was trending the other way I know nobody wants to blame Calhoun, but he absolutely deserves some of it. Hathaway deserves some and while everyone wants to blame Emmert, in many ways he is the least culpable in this, because without the approval of the university presidents, none of it would have happened. It was guys like Walter Harrison and our new besty, Scott Cowen who pushed for this.

APR (the retroban) was payback for JC winning the NC after serving a suspension for the Miles phone calls. UConn left themselves open, but the decision for the postseason ban was pure spite.

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Seriously, you guys need to get your stories straight. I thought it was payback because some state rep from Pautipaug said nasty things about Emmert. Really, UConn had a problem with compliance. It was ignored despite numerous warnings.
 
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I agree that UConn carries some of the burden over the APR fiasco and that Calhoun’s callousness towards the NCAA, press, etc. and Hathaway’s lackadaisical administrative skills, especially in the compliance realm, were major contributing factors. It is also true that ultimately UConn is responsible for the academic success (and failure) of its athletic programs.
That said, the timeline leading to UConn’s post-season ban is troubling to say the least.
§ May 2011 – UConn losses two basketball scholarships due to poor academic performance during the 2008 through 2010 academic years.
§ June 2011 – UConn’s new President puts in place a new academic improvement plan
§ August 2011 – The NCAA President’s approve the new APR floor of 4 year floor 930 and a 2 year floor of 900 on a rolling basis that includes various penalties, including post-season bans for basketball teams. The chair of NCAA Academic Performance states that these new rules will take 3 to 5 years to phase to allow programs to catch-up.
§ October 2011 – The NCAA Board under Emmert changes position and implements the new changes immediately. As academic data is not available for the 2011/12 academic year, data from 2009 through 2011 years is used instead thus dooming UConn and they are banned from 2012/13 post-season. For all intent, UConn is penalized twice for poor performance in the same academic year (2009/10). This is call ‘double jeopardy’ in legal circles, which is illegal, except within the NCAA as they are above such frivolities.
§ 2012 – The NCAA changes the rolling average to use the most recent academic year scores. If this was in place in 2011, UConn would have escaped penalty.
At the end of the day, our friend Emmert got to across the country going from one microphone to another highlighting how tough he is on academic cheats (of course, he is a little more lenient on financial cheats as he made no comment how $100 million that he blew on UConn 2000) and uses UConn as his tent pole, at least until Penn State comes along.
The below link from a blogger on SB Nation breaks this down http://www.theuconnblog.com/2012/4/24/2971329/what-uconns-apr-score-actually-measures
Two additional points from this story.
First, is how the heck does Kentucky basketball not get hammered on APR as they lose their entire team to the draft each year, and not all are lottery picks every year?
Second, to be in good academic standing, a student athlete needs a minimum GPA of 2.6. At UNC, they had multiple student athletes on the football team and basketball team take fakes classes. Those classes should count as an F (if not outright expulsion and most schools). Assuming that the student athlete average a B in the rest of his classes (4) plus for the fake class, that athlete’s GPA for that semester would be a 2.4. It is believed that 2 UNC basketball players took these classes in both 2007/8 and 2008/9. With two poor sub 900 point ARP years, UNC should have ‘flunked’ the APR test for the 3 year rolling period in 2009/10 and be in the same boat as UConn, i.e. post-season ban.
 
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I’m hoping payback is a witch…
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130725/college-sports-braces-for-more-change/?sct=hp_t11_a0&eref=sihp
What will happen to Mark Emmert?
However obvious the public disapproval of Emmert is from college leaders, there's even less faith in him privately. The prevailing thought is that the NCAA isn't healthy and is not in a better position than when Emmert took over. Some have the feeling that significant conversation about new governance won't happen until he's removed. Others are pessimistic that the presidents ultimately in charge of Emmert's fate are willing to make such a drastic move.
Emmert's refusals to admit he'd do anything differently in a recent ESPN article about his leadership was his latest public relations blunder. It led to both chuckles of amusement and groans of frustration from leaders around college sports.
Emmert does have allies, especially in the Pac-12, where Oregon State president Ed Ray is one of his closest confidants. Emmert also worked with many of the Pac-12 presidents in his last job as the president of Washington.
There's a notion that if Emmert survives the next three months or so, he could embrace the inevitable change, attach himself to it and potentially overhaul his current image of being inept and ineffective. But there's a lot of skepticism, as he's buried himself too deep and failed to show leadership on seemingly obvious issues the NCAA could legitimately impact, such as concussions.
Emmert was hired as a change agent, and it's ironic that as the NCAA sits on the precipice of major change it could be done despite him or without him and not because of him.
 
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I have no love for Emmert. he is a grandstanding pompous jerk who has shown himself to be borderline incompetent sometimes, but this constantly trying to blame him for UConn's failings and the NCAA's actions is just comical. The APR penalties originated with Walter Harrison's committee on academic progress, consisting of presidents,not Emmert, and went to the full NCAA board, also made up of presidents, with the recommendation that it go into effect in 2013 to give schools time to adjust. Emmert was quoted saying he favored that and expected that. But the presidents, during their meetings were the ones who pushed for the retroactive implementation and that's what ultimately happened. Once it went into effect he did what he had to do. Twice NCAA Committees, again made up of presidents, had the ability to over-ride him. They elected not to do that.
 
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I have no love for Emmert. he is a grandstanding pompous jerk who has shown himself to be borderline incompetent sometimes, but this constantly trying to blame him for UConn's failings and the NCAA's actions is just comical. The APR penalties originated with Walter Harrison's committee on academic progress, consisting of presidents,not Emmert, and went to the full NCAA board, also made up of presidents, with the recommendation that it go into effect in 2013 to give schools time to adjust. Emmert was quoted saying he favored that and expected that. But the presidents, during their meetings were the ones who pushed for the retroactive implementation and that's what ultimately happened. Once it went into effect he did what he had to do. Twice NCAA Committees, again made up of presidents, had the ability to over-ride him. They elected not to do that.

As I said, I am not excusing UConn from the blame. Most of what happened is indeed the administration’s fault.
I am blaming the NCAA for the timing and the NCAA’s apparent ability to hammer one school (UConn, Penn State) while turning a blind eye to others (Auburn, Miami, UNC, etc.).
Emmert is not the sole focus of my rant; but, his poor history with UConn and his history of grandstanding throughout his career makes what happened to UConn under his watch at the NCAA full of coincidences and I do not believe in coincidences.
 
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Emmert wanted to bring JC down from the get go. The texting was an excuse for the Nate Miles punishments. It was contrived, the same way regarding the treatment of RB and the apr. They all have mild plausibility but the real issue was personal between Emmert along with some of NCAA people such as UHarts prez. and JC.

Indeed. And if you read the accounts from Archibald that came out recently, all the texts / calls were in regards to admissions and whatnot. They were not "recruiting" him at the time anyhow.
 
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Stop the nonsense. The APR mess was a self inflicted wound. UConn failed to meet the annual goal for 3 consecutive years, yet took no action on its own to try and correct the problem.

You mean, other than correcting the problem? Our APR went up 150 points in one year. We were 980 the year we won the title - tournament ban was two years later.
 
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Indeed. And if you read the accounts from Archibald that came out recently, all the texts / calls were in regards to admissions and whatnot. They were not "recruiting" him at the time anyhow.

Not to mention that recruitment texts are unlimited now (which I think is insane).
 

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Not to mention that recruitment texts are unlimited now (which I think is insane).


I can totally see Calipari sending something along the lines of the following: "hey Mike, how's that coming out right now? Love your form!"
 
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