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navery12 said:
I would say more Xavier than Marquette. Marquette takes a lot more 3's than Miami
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I don't see it with Xavier, they have one of the best offenses in the country but it was largely played through their bigs when Freemantle and Nunge were together and more structured than Miami. Miami doesn't have that, it's a lot of one on one play with those explosive guards. Omier is great but he gets most of his on offensive rebounding, dump offs on the drive, and broken plays.
 
superjohn said:
I don't see it with Xavier, they have one of the best offenses in the country but it was largely played through their bigs when Freemantle and Nunge were together and more structured than Miami. Miami doesn't have that, it's a lot of one on one play with those explosive guards. Omier is great but he gets most of his on offensive rebounding, dump offs on the drive, and broken plays.
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The team makeup is very different, but the style of play is very similar in how they get their points. Other than the A/FGM (Miami goes 1v1 a lot more like you said) the offensive numbers are fairly close across the board

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We are doomed. Look at this list. Escape the worst, most anti-UConn Big East refs only for the NCAA to put them in the Final Four crew.
 
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UconnPT2007 said:
Miami has a very similar lineup to Arkansas, and we know how that worked out.

4 guards and a 6-7 center means they are extremely small. Sanogo will feast down low. We will grab most of the rebounds. Miami will have to get one of our key guys (AJ, JH) in foul trouble and bang some 3’s to beat us.
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Hey, no tips for the opposition..................nothing is guaranteed!
 
Marat said:
Totally unfocused. The BET 1st game vs Cuse was a sign of things to come - Denham needing to hit a deep 3 to send it OT and then losing it. And then having to claw back like you said vs Albany and the other Huskies. It didn't work in the next game.
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And, not being able to shake off a very pedestrian Kentucky team (albeit they did have Rondo) until about 17 minutes into the second half.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Larranaga is a good coach but this whole "he beat UConn at George Mason" is probably the dumbest storyline in what will undoubtedly be a week full of dumb storylines. That '06 team was practically begging to lose from round 1.
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correct. They peaked when they beat Nova in Gampel for the revenge game. After that they were unimpressive and struggled with the bad teams. After they lost to Syracuse in the BET a lot people including myself thought they would be angry and motivated and go a on a tear. Instead they come out flat against Albany and were down 12 with 11:30 left in the game.

If we all are being honest, they should've lost to Washington in the Sweet 16 and were very lucky to advance. At the time I was happy they won, but in retrospect, I kind of wish they didn't.
 
superjohn said:
Yep, Marquette seems to be the closest comparison. I think Marquette is a bit better than them.
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defensively they certainly are. Marquette offensively beats teams with passing and cuts and the great court vision of high IQ of Kolek and Iguadharo. Miami can beat teams offensively by shooting the lights out from 3 and with one on one skills.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
The difference is Miami's guys have been making those tough 2s that Arkansas couldn't.

Is our D significantly better than Texas's? The metrics say no.
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Miami's a lot stronger offensively, but weaker defensively, than Arkansas. Quicker but not as strong or physical. Probably similar in quality.

We can dominate them with size. We have to defend their quickness which may be more challenging for us than defending Arkansas or Gonzaga, but I don't think they can defend us. If we perform offensively the way we did against Arkansas and Gonzaga, they won't be able to keep up.
 
Decided to re-watch UT-Miami tonight and came away with a couple thoughts (apologies in advance for the length):
  • Their offense is really impressive. Generally four guys on the court that can create for themselves. Their offense against UT looked like what Arkansas was trying to run against us (ISO and get to the paint), but while we were able to completely sag off Arkansas due to their shooting incompetence, UT had to respect the mid-range and outside threat against Miami.
  • I think we will see a completely different offense than what they showed against UT. They made no effort to establish the three and instead, took advantage of Texas having essentially no defensive presence in the paint. I'm curious to watch an earlier game where they employed a more balanced attack.
  • Wong's ability to create off the bounce is the best we've seen in the tournament. He, and the Miami guards as a whole take the kind of shots you'd generally be happy to give up (a lot of contested mid-range stuff), but seem to make them at a very efficient clip. I think UConn's length will make a big difference there (but also don't expect we'll see nearly the same gameplan).
  • I'm torn on Karaban this game. His defense has been really strong recently, but he's going to give up quickness this game and will have to play flawlessly. I could definitely see some foul trouble and having to go with a four guard lineup for stretches. That said, having him in forces Laranaga to either use their best defender (Miller) on Karaban, or try to have one of the smaller guards D him up (which Karaban will get some great post looks out of).
  • UConn NEEDS to get back on D. They push the pace like crazy, even off makes and several times caught Texas sleeping and got some easy buckets. We did a great job on this against Arkansas and need to keep that going or we're going to get burned by their speed. That's all effort and focus.
  • As impressive as their offense was, their defense was every bit the 100+ ranking they have earned this season. There's no other way to spin it, it was just bad. UT largely ran simple ball screen sets, they ran very little in the way of off ball motion or screens, and yet, UT seemed to have a WIDE OPEN three essentially whenever they wanted. The off-ball defenders just got caught looking at the ball constantly, drifted toward the lane, and then Carr or another Texas guard kicked out for an open look. If they do that against UConn, our shooters are going to feast.
  • UConn should have a sizeable advantage down low. UT didn't really have a back to the basket game going (a few looks from bishop, but more two dribbles and a hook shot), so Omier wasn't really asked to be the primary defender much and with about ten minutes left in the first half he was already gassed (in fairness, the pace was pretty frenetic). This is another area where I'm curious to find another game with him guarding a legit post player, but nothing he showed makes me think he'll be a good matchup for Sanogo's relentless footwork or Clingan's size. If we don't come away with a sizeable rebounding advantage, I would be surprised.
  • Their transition D was also not good. A lot of multiple guys collapsing on the ball handler and no effort to find the shooters. If they play like that against UConn, Jackson and Hawkins/Calcaterra are going to have a field day.
I came away from this cautiously optimistic (though I definitely want to watch some earlier games). UConn's offense is better than Texas' without Disu, so they should be able to run the offense they want and get plenty of good looks. I also think Omier is going to have a long day (or short if he gets into foul trouble) and just genuinely have no idea what they're going to do with Clingan. Their offense is legit though and we could certainly still lose if they're hitting outside shots and our shooters have an off-night, and/or if their driving creates foul trouble for some of the key players. I think their margin of error is MUCH smaller than ours though.

TL;DR we're doomed.
 
For the tourney, Miami's top 8 guys are shooting 118-241 (49%) and 33-89 from 3 (37.1%), both just a hair better than their season averages. That's very good.

However, since giving up 56 vs Drake, they've given up more in each successive game: 69. 75, 81.

Pack is their volume 3 pt shooter, and their most accurate. He's hoisted 35 so far in the tourney, making 14, for a nice even 40% clip. Wong is 7-18 and Poplar 5-16. Joseph is their Joey C. He comes in primarily to shoot from deep, and he's 4-10 so far. So whomever we deem as our best perimeter defender should be on Pack. I'd expect them to go into Sanogo to get fouls.

That said, I'd say that given their defense, UConn should be able to get plenty of open looks. If they make 'em, it's a win. If we're cold, could be in for a long night. Miami is averaging 80 pts in the tourney, again, a hair above their season average. If somehow they score 80 on UConn, my feeling is that it will be because UConn is putting up 90.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Decided to re-watch UT-Miami tonight and came away with a couple thoughts (apologies in advance for the length):
  • Their offense is really impressive. Generally four guys on the court that can create for themselves. Their offense against UT looked like what Arkansas was trying to run against us (ISO and get to the paint), but while we were able to completely sag off Arkansas due to their shooting incompetence, UT had to respect the mid-range and outside threat against Miami.
  • I think we will see a completely different offense than what they showed against UT. They made no effort to establish the three and instead, took advantage of Texas having essentially no defensive presence in the paint. I'm curious to watch an earlier game where they employed a more balanced attack.
  • Wong's ability to create off the bounce is the best we've seen in the tournament. He, and the Miami guards as a whole take the kind of shots you'd generally be happy to give up (a lot of contested mid-range stuff), but seem to make them at a very efficient clip. I think UConn's length will make a big difference there (but also don't expect we'll see nearly the same gameplan).
  • I'm torn on Karaban this game. His defense has been really strong recently, but he's going to give up quickness this game and will have to play flawlessly. I could definitely see some foul trouble and having to go with a four guard lineup for stretches. That said, having him in forces Laranaga to either use their best defender (Miller) on Karaban, or try to have one of the smaller guards D him up (which Karaban will get some great post looks out of).
  • UConn NEEDS to get back on D. They push the pace like crazy, even off makes and several times caught Texas sleeping and got some easy buckets. We did a great job on this against Arkansas and need to keep that going or we're going to get burned by their speed. That's all effort and focus.
  • As impressive as their offense was, their defense was every bit the 100+ ranking they have earned this season. There's no other way to spin it, it was just bad. UT largely ran simple ball screen sets, they ran very little in the way of off ball motion or screens, and yet, UT seemed to have a WIDE OPEN three essentially whenever they wanted. The off-ball defenders just got caught looking at the ball constantly, drifted toward the lane, and then Carr or another Texas guard kicked out for an open look. If they do that against UConn, our shooters are going to feast.
  • UConn should have a sizeable advantage down low. UT didn't really have a back to the basket game going (a few looks from bishop, but more two dribbles and a hook shot), so Omier wasn't really asked to be the primary defender much and with about ten minutes left in the first half he was already gassed (in fairness, the pace was pretty frenetic). This is another area where I'm curious to find another game with him guarding a legit post player, but nothing he showed makes me think he'll be a good matchup for Sanogo's relentless footwork or Clingan's size. If we don't come away with a sizeable rebounding advantage, I would be surprised.
  • Their transition D was also not good. A lot of multiple guys collapsing on the ball handler and no effort to find the shooters. If they play like that against UConn, Jackson and Hawkins/Calcaterra are going to have a field day.
I came away from this cautiously optimistic (though I definitely want to watch some earlier games). UConn's offense is better than Texas' without Disu, so they should be able to run the offense they want and get plenty of good looks. I also think Omier is going to have a long day (or short if he gets into foul trouble) and just genuinely have no idea what they're going to do with Clingan. Their offense is legit though and we could certainly still lose if they're hitting outside shots and our shooters have an off-night, and/or if their driving creates foul trouble for some of the key players. I think their margin of error is MUCH smaller than ours though.

TL;DR we're doomed.
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I'm watching a replay now, just about over.

Texas self-immolated while Miami made a few contested twos, especially Wong. Texas was doing great when moving the ball and making an extra pass. But they also had 4 TOs from dumb passes after Miami cut the lead to 8. And in last minute, ballhandlers were neglecting wide open shooters in favor of going at Omier. I'd bet that Beard wouldn't have let that happen.
 
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B1GEast said:
They don't have a bad loss this season. They run a heavy guard set. We are deeper and can stretch the floor very well. We should have a rebounding edge.

This is going to be tight game with many lead changes. If Hawkins, Newton and Karaban can continue to hit their shots, I think we'll pull away late.

Sanogo and Clingan need to stay out of foul trouble.

Andre needs to control his emotions, play smart ball. I predict he finally gets a triple double this game.

It's going to be a battle. I see this game as harder then the potential champion game, much like in 2004. A hard game against dook, followed by a destruction of Wake Forest.

Uconn beat Miami in 2019 at the Charleston Classic. This won't be the first time Hurley has faced Larranaga and he has a better squad this time around

Go Uconn
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Wake Forest 04?
Is that like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
Husky68 said:
Losing to Florida State and Georgia Tech are Massey #159 and #125 and FS was at home. St John's loss by UConn was to #69. Also gave up 105 points in a 2 point win over #167 Cornell. So Miami can play good but also have shown they can play pretty poorly. FS loss was in late February.
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We had a very late bad loss to Louisville in 2014, so you just don't know how a team will respond in the tournament........hopefully not like we did!
 
HurikaneMar said:
Hello UConn fans!

Miami Hurricane fan here.

You guys seem very very confident in comparison to the Houston and Texas fans. LOL! Cool.

Could kind of tell that Houston fans were uptight about playing us when they kept spouting on and on about metrics. smh Obviously they don't tell even half the story.

A little about our team, our guards are quick but they are all 3 level players. decent height. Any one of them can hit from 3pt range and any can attack you off the dribble. Jordan MIller is our swing but he convers the other teams PF. He's strong and wirey but he can be pushed off his base by bigger PF. But if they aren't quick, they will have no chance of staying up with him. (See Texas PF trying to cover Jordan one on one. It went awfully for him until Jordan fouled him out.)

Norchad Omeir has been the piece that makes this all work. People point to our guards and they are good but Omeir allows for us to leak out on fast breaks by securing multiple offensive rebounds per night. He is as strong they come and well built. Your PF will be able to go over the top of him but he will not be able to bang him down. He can try. Others have.

You get Norchad off the floor and suddenly we're a team with almost no real board presence and we're forced to pack the paint to keep from getting killed.

Your guards are bigger than ours. I felt like we could shoot over Texas because their guards were short and slight. Your guards are all 6'5 or better. They should be able to shoot over the top of our guards.

One of the most unique things that I can think of about us is that we aren't wired to score in just one way and there isn't any one player that you can take from us on offense that will slow us down.

Texas decided to take away the entire teams ability to get clean 3pt shots(credit their D) we just beat them in a different way.

Our defense ranks low. No excuses. We attack passing lanes and take risks to create turnovers and get out and run. We can really run. Even our 6'9 backup PF is fast.

I think that everything.
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Not to be petty, but how do offensive rebounds allow you to start fast breaks.
 
superjohn said:
That UConn team should've lost in the sweet 16 and was down a dozen midway through the second half to Albany in the first round. There was a ton of talent but it was a totally unfocused group.
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No one wanted to get hurt before the draft. No diving for loose balls, no effort where there was the slight possibility of an injury.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
Decided to re-watch UT-Miami tonight and came away with a couple thoughts (apologies in advance for the length):
  • Their offense is really impressive. Generally four guys on the court that can create for themselves. Their offense against UT looked like what Arkansas was trying to run against us (ISO and get to the paint), but while we were able to completely sag off Arkansas due to their shooting incompetence, UT had to respect the mid-range and outside threat against Miami.
  • I think we will see a completely different offense than what they showed against UT. They made no effort to establish the three and instead, took advantage of Texas having essentially no defensive presence in the paint. I'm curious to watch an earlier game where they employed a more balanced attack.
  • Wong's ability to create off the bounce is the best we've seen in the tournament. He, and the Miami guards as a whole take the kind of shots you'd generally be happy to give up (a lot of contested mid-range stuff), but seem to make them at a very efficient clip. I think UConn's length will make a big difference there (but also don't expect we'll see nearly the same gameplan).
  • I'm torn on Karaban this game. His defense has been really strong recently, but he's going to give up quickness this game and will have to play flawlessly. I could definitely see some foul trouble and having to go with a four guard lineup for stretches. That said, having him in forces Laranaga to either use their best defender (Miller) on Karaban, or try to have one of the smaller guards D him up (which Karaban will get some great post looks out of).
  • UConn NEEDS to get back on D. They push the pace like crazy, even off makes and several times caught Texas sleeping and got some easy buckets. We did a great job on this against Arkansas and need to keep that going or we're going to get burned by their speed. That's all effort and focus.
  • As impressive as their offense was, their defense was every bit the 100+ ranking they have earned this season. There's no other way to spin it, it was just bad. UT largely ran simple ball screen sets, they ran very little in the way of off ball motion or screens, and yet, UT seemed to have a WIDE OPEN three essentially whenever they wanted. The off-ball defenders just got caught looking at the ball constantly, drifted toward the lane, and then Carr or another Texas guard kicked out for an open look. If they do that against UConn, our shooters are going to feast.
  • UConn should have a sizeable advantage down low. UT didn't really have a back to the basket game going (a few looks from bishop, but more two dribbles and a hook shot), so Omier wasn't really asked to be the primary defender much and with about ten minutes left in the first half he was already gassed (in fairness, the pace was pretty frenetic). This is another area where I'm curious to find another game with him guarding a legit post player, but nothing he showed makes me think he'll be a good matchup for Sanogo's relentless footwork or Clingan's size. If we don't come away with a sizeable rebounding advantage, I would be surprised.
  • Their transition D was also not good. A lot of multiple guys collapsing on the ball handler and no effort to find the shooters. If they play like that against UConn, Jackson and Hawkins/Calcaterra are going to have a field day.
I came away from this cautiously optimistic (though I definitely want to watch some earlier games). UConn's offense is better than Texas' without Disu, so they should be able to run the offense they want and get plenty of good looks. I also think Omier is going to have a long day (or short if he gets into foul trouble) and just genuinely have no idea what they're going to do with Clingan. Their offense is legit though and we could certainly still lose if they're hitting outside shots and our shooters have an off-night, and/or if their driving creates foul trouble for some of the key players. I think their margin of error is MUCH smaller than ours though.

TL;DR we're doomed.
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Texas' guards are also pretty small which I think should help UConn just get enough of a challenge without fouling on Miami's shots.

Texas, to me, appeared to really sell out trying to defend the three also, which I think contributed to Miami attacking the rim more. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen again here considering how UConn emphasizes defending the three.



UConn had that horrid month with six losses and basically a seventh before they figured things out offensively.

IMO focusing on defense; UConn has had some trouble defending drives to the rim and people do rightfully point that out, but that is partially because they sell out defending the arc so much. However, I think the teams that really killed UConn were the teams that could pass the ball around and find the open man, much like UConn does. X/Marquette and Creighton are all top 30 assist % teams and overall good passing teams.
 
navery12 said:
The team makeup is very different, but the style of play is very similar in how they get their points. Other than the A/FGM (Miami goes 1v1 a lot more like you said) the offensive numbers are fairly close across the board

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Xavier with Freemantle is better than Miami, and if Freemantle had returned for the tournament like he was originally scheduled to, UConn would probably be playing them on Saturday.

The one thing Miami has on Xavier is that they are mentally tougher than Xavier.
 
Scrutiner said:
We had a very late bad loss to Louisville in 2014, so you just don't know how a team will respond in the tournament........hopefully not like we did!
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That was the only UConn game I've ever seen where I actually thought, "Our guys just quit." I remember Bazz's expressions and body language being, "I don't want to be out here anymore."

And coming back from that game to win the whole thing is really the one main reason I think KO can actually coach when he focuses on it.
 
Sounds like this game could be a track meet.. Best offense wins.. And can our three point D disrupt their shooters.. Esp. Pack
 
Analysis and ‘expert” opinions between now at Sat nite will be nonstop and they are firmly on UConn’s bandwagon. It’s as simple as we’ll see who plays better and every now and then you also need just a bit of luck. Haven’t needed it so far but…
 
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