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A shame that the series has been paused. It increases the odds of an undefeated regular season, for sure. With Notre Dame on the mend, and USC in a bridge year, it looks as though the Lady Vols have emerged as the toughest test in the upcoming season.

I hope Shea steps up and fills the gap.
 
I did enjoy how well they played, especiallyAzzi. Unlike the Big East, there was at least the possibility that these quality teams would rally. Didn't happen. I honestly was disappointed that they weren't tighter games. Answer me this: would you really rather watch UConn blow away someone than watch them prevail as the game comes down to the end? There's little doubt in my mind that many here would rather stick out their chests, as they proclaim UConn's dominance in a blow-out. I've followed them for 30 years, and had plenty of those opportunities over all those years. I don't need more of that. Give me good competitive games that go down to the wire.
So, I am a diehard UConn fan because my mother was a diehard UConn fan, part of a legion of older Italian-American women from CT who adored Geno Auriemma. Mom watched every UConn game throughout her life, no matter what else was going on, and she did not enjoy any of those games unless and until UConn was up by at least 20 pts.

I am my mother’s son. Give me a UConn blowout any day, and I am a happy guy. :)
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, in the deep recesses of my memory, I seem to recall the ACC raiding (& greatly weakening) the Big East decades ago (I think it was after Dave Gavitt's tenure as men's commissioner). At the time, I regarded it as a hostile act against the Big East, but I don't know how this contributed to the downslide of the conference on the women's side.
I'd love to hear others observations.
Syracuse, BC, ND, Louisville, WV & Rutgers were all former BE teams with strong WBB programs that migrated to power conferences because of football. During the 2013 championship run, 3 BE teams made it to the FF: UConn, ND & Louisville.

Dave Gavitt’s vision of a powerful eastern basketball conference became a reality and almost immediately started to deconstruct due to football revenue.
 
C'mon, calm down with all of your many-lettered words.I don't think that being in the Big East necessarily hurts UConn's title chances, nor have I ever thought that Geno is at fault for the schedule. All I've ever said is that it's just not enjoyable to me spectating thru a Big East season. If watching UConn's well-oiled machine rolling over Butler, Providence, and other mid-majors is satisfying to you, enjoy. Those who think it wouldn't be much different in the ACC,SEC, or The BIG, have definitely found themselves a large pile of sand. Someone screwed up badly years ago in not finding a way to get into one of the power conferences. Of course, a good argument can be made that for
most of the other sports the Big East is a strong, competitive conference.
If that’s what you like, then that’s what you like.

But can there be anything be done about it? Go up and down the thread, and the answer is pragmatically no.

So, the question for you becomes, would you rather:
  • Want UConn to play down to the competition?
  • Want bruisers matchup bully ball or some other contrived play to intimidate UConn?
  • Want UConn to play with a handicap, just to make things interesting?
Geno hates all of these. The coaching staff and players work so hard to be the “best version of themselves”, which is their measuring stick. And most of us enjoy what we see.
 
Where are you getting that from? Not only regular season games, but they broadcast every game in the ncaa tournament. I know UConn’s games are off sny, but I haven’t heard of this.
Maybe the 2 schools are playing hard to get with ESPN/FOX.
ESPN is not broadcasting WCBB games anymore.

I goofed that one up. I believe they're not broadcasting anymore Big East games.
 
If that’s what you like, then that’s what you like.

But can there be anything be done about it? Go up and down the thread, and the answer is pragmatically no.

So, the question for you becomes, would you rather:
  • Want UConn to play down to the competition?
  • Want bruisers matchup bully ball or some other contrived play to intimidate UConn?
  • Want UConn to play with a handicap, just to make things interesting?
Geno hates all of these. The coaching staff and players work so hard to be the “best version of themselves”, which is their measuring stick. And most of us enjoy what we see.
No, nothing can be done about it ; that ship has probably sailed. "If that's what I like"? I would think most people would prefer more competitive games.
 
When the kitchen gets hot, some can't handle the heat.

Wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not.

I'm responding to Plebe's post, #56 in the thread, without having read anything further so apologies if anyone else has made the following points.

For those saying that Dawn is now calling it quits because of the two losses last year, I disagree because I don't think the facts support that conclusion.

First, if she really has a hard time facing tough OOC competition, then why did she renew the series when the Gamecocks record against UConn was 1-8? Sure, the first games took place while she was building the program, and perhaps the calculus is a bit different when you become a premier program, but I just don't think running away from stiff challenges fits Dawn's history or DNA.

Second, losing to UConn in February I'm sure stung a lot, but it didn't derail their program. Similar to what happened after our loss to TN, South Carolina went undefeated until they met us again, and they still wound up a #1 seed. I don't see these losses, especially the one in Columbia, as a reason to pull the plug.

I really think the issue is not playing the Huskies per se but the timing of the game. The SEC has had several quality teams for a long while, but with the latest realignment, they are an even stronger conference. Many teams that used to be close to laughingstocks are now respectable and will give their conference opponents tough match-ups. The SEC is harder now than it was just a few years ago and that makes it more problematic for them to play teams like UConn in the second half of their season.
 
I'm responding to Plebe's post, #56 in the thread, without having read anything further so apologies if anyone else has made the following points.

For those saying that Dawn is now calling it quits because of the two losses last year, I disagree because I don't think the facts support that conclusion.

First, if she really has a hard time facing tough OOC competition, then why did she renew the series when the Gamecocks record against UConn was 1-8? Sure, the first games took place while she was building the program, and perhaps the calculus is a bit different when you become a premier program, but I just don't think running away from stiff challenges fits Dawn's history or DNA.

Second, losing to UConn in February I'm sure stung a lot, but it didn't derail their program. Similar to what happened after our loss to TN, South Carolina went undefeated until they met us again, and they still wound up a #1 seed. I don't see these losses, especially the one in Columbia, as a reason to pull the plug.

I really think the issue is not playing the Huskies per se but the timing of the game. The SEC has had several quality teams for a long while, but with the latest realignment, they are an even stronger conference. Many teams that used to be close to laughingstocks are now respectable and will give their conference opponents tough match-ups. The SEC is harder now than it was just a few years ago and that makes it more problematic for them to play teams like UConn in the second half of their season.
This is it in a nutshell. In the past 2 years the SEC has gone from a two team race (SC and LSU) to SC, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, LSU and Bama, Vandy and Ole Miss right below. Maybe in the coming years we will meet in an early season matchup or a holiday tournament.
 
I'm responding to Plebe's post, #56 in the thread, without having read anything further so apologies if anyone else has made the following points.

For those saying that Dawn is now calling it quits because of the two losses last year, I disagree because I don't think the facts support that conclusion.

First, if she really has a hard time facing tough OOC competition, then why did she renew the series when the Gamecocks record against UConn was 1-8? Sure, the first games took place while she was building the program, and perhaps the calculus is a bit different when you become a premier program, but I just don't think running away from stiff challenges fits Dawn's history or DNA.

Second, losing to UConn in February I'm sure stung a lot, but it didn't derail their program. Similar to what happened after our loss to TN, South Carolina went undefeated until they met us again, and they still wound up a #1 seed. I don't see these losses, especially the one in Columbia, as a reason to pull the plug.

I really think the issue is not playing the Huskies per se but the timing of the game. The SEC has had several quality teams for a long while, but with the latest realignment, they are an even stronger conference. Many teams that used to be close to laughingstocks are now respectable and will give their conference opponents tough match-ups. The SEC is harder now than it was just a few years ago and that makes it more problematic for them to play teams like UConn in the second half of their season.
I don’t think it was the humiliation in the NC game alone that caused her to cancel but it was certainly part of it. I believe she took a cold hard look at what is likely to happen for the next three years, saw that many in the SC fan base were OK with it as they felt the game helped UConn more than them, and she was incensed with Geno’s cutting remarks regarding her (and A’ja’s) statue so she pulled the plug. Was it a mistake? Well, I certainly think so because it hurts women’s basketball. I’m pretty sure it was an ego thing but in the end, I guess it doesn’t really matter why she did it, only that it is a shame for women’s basketball!
 
I don’t think it was the humiliation in the NC game alone that caused her to cancel but it was certainly part of it. I believe she took a cold hard look at what is likely to happen for the next three years, saw that many in the SC fan base were OK with it as they felt the game helped UConn more than them, and she was incensed with Geno’s cutting remarks regarding her (and A’ja’s) statue so she pulled the plug. Was it a mistake? Well, I certainly think so because it hurts women’s basketball. I’m pretty sure it was an ego thing but in the end, I guess it doesn’t really matter why she did it, only that it is a shame for women’s basketball!
1) What's going to happen? UConn domination? This is just speculation by a homer fan. Real competitors like coaches and players never toss in the towel for 3 years in advance and run away. I don't understand why fans like to brag about championships that they had nothing to do with winning.
2) More speculation. You have no idea what Staley's view of the situation is since she hasn't put out any kind of statement about the decision that I'm aware of.
 
This is disappointing. Losing such a high-profile national platform is a bad decision for the sport. Especially at a time when WCBB is in a unique position to showcase competitive excellence and grow its popularity. But I guess some people don't care about such concerns.
Completely agree. It APPEARS that SC doesn't want to most likely lose this game...but to NOT play it takes one of the marquee games off of the NCAAW schedule...a game seen and WATCHED by a National Audience every year. To NOT "Challenge" her Team with this game at some point during the regular season...to gauge where they are...seems like a bad strategy... BUT, who am I to question what Dawn decides to do. (I admit I could be wrong blaming this on Dawn and the SC leadership...Maybe there just weren't any convenient dates (??? Not likely) or Maybe Geno didn't want the regular season non-conference game (even MORE not likely)
 
I actually started rooting for the other teams to get back in the game, for an actual exciting finish, of course with UConn prevailing. As I've gotten so very old, I've become a rather strange sports fan that way. I have lived and died with the Dodgers since 1947, and, obviously, felt much animosity towards those Bronx Bombers. Yet as the Dodgers were taking them apart last fall, I found myself rooting for the Yankees to extend the series.

Most top 5 teams are dbl digit favorites in most of their games and if they have a close score in one or two it's because they played crappy basketball. I've watched P-4 games during the season when 5 or 6 minutes of game time produces 8 pts., 6 of them ft's. I'd rather watch my team play efficiently at a high level and win by 25 than to watch them shoot under 30% with 25 to's and win in OT. It may be exciting but it's still incompetence.

If UConn can play at their final four level (or exceed it) in 2026 I will enjoy every minute. It's beautiful basketball even if the outcome is predetermined. When the other team plays at that level too then the game becomes epic but thise are few and far between.
 
ESPN is not broadcasting WCBB games anymore.

I goofed that one up. I believe they're not broadcasting anymore Big East games.

A lot of the event games at neutral sites for men and women are sponsored by ESPN. The teams get paid. And unlike conference games UConn gets to keep all the money.
 
1) What's going to happen? UConn domination? This is just speculation by a homer fan. Real competitors like coaches and players never toss in the towel for 3 years in advance and run away. I don't understand why fans like to brag about championships that they had nothing to do with winning.
2) More speculation. You have no idea what Staley's view of the situation is since she hasn't put out any kind of statement about the decision that I'm aware of.
Of course its speculation! What else could it be? I’m speculating on what I have observed from Dawn over quite a few years. Could I be wrong? Sure, but that is what I believe is going on and as for the homer thing, I’m not sure what your point is? Should I not have an opinion because I’m a UConn fan? I do not believe they (SC) will win against us for the next few years. I think most of the wins they had since 2020 were largely due to our inability to field a healthy team due to the unprecedented spate of injuries we experienced. I am aware they had very good teams as well and they may have won some of those games but I believe Geno’s style of play is simply better than hers and barring a big advantage, a dominant post, and/or half our team being injured, I think we win most of the time. I hate to be the one to point this out, but most of what you see here or in the wider world is speculation in one way or another. Believe what you want & I’ll do the same.
 
Completely agree. It APPEARS that SC doesn't want to most likely lose this game...but to NOT play it takes one of the marquee games off of the NCAAW schedule...a game seen and WATCHED by a National Audience every year. To NOT "Challenge" her Team with this game at some point during the regular season...to gauge where they are...seems like a bad strategy... BUT, who am I to question what Dawn decides to do. (I admit I could be wrong blaming this on Dawn and the SC leadership...Maybe there just weren't any convenient dates (??? Not likely) or Maybe Geno didn't want the regular season non-conference game (even MORE not likely)
I think they'll be challenged enough playing teams like Texas, Tennessee, LSU, etc. 2-3 times every single year. It's not like Coach Staley has decided to just go play a bunch of high school teams 30 times a season. With how big these conferences are getting, they really don't need to go outside of conference for tough games when just playing their conference schedule gets them 10 games against ranked teams.
 
I don’t think it was the humiliation in the NC game alone that caused her to cancel but it was certainly part of it. I believe she took a cold hard look at what is likely to happen for the next three years, saw that many in the SC fan base were OK with it as they felt the game helped UConn more than them, and she was incensed with Geno’s cutting remarks regarding her (and A’ja’s) statue so she pulled the plug. Was it a mistake? Well, I certainly think so because it hurts women’s basketball. I’m pretty sure it was an ego thing but in the end, I guess it doesn’t really matter why she did it, only that it is a shame for women’s basketball!
Take another look at your statement. You can speculate all you want about what YOU think would happen over the next 3 years. But here you're speculating about what SHE thinks and trying to tell us that Staley is afraid of losing games to UConn, that her ego is involved, and that she's running away from continuing the series. And that's ridiculous and presumptuous since you have no idea what she thinks about anything.
 
“Good-for-the-game” games obviously exist outside quotas.

Teams that make such OOC commitments (which doesn’t affect conference goals but run the risk of a shade-lower NCAAT seeding) accommodate such commitments within the context of their conference schedules.

During the 2022 COVID season, Dawn reached out to Geno to postpone their scheduled game in order to make up for an SEC conference game.

If Geno and Dawn were able to make it work during the COVID seasons by moving things around, why can’t it be done now?

In the information vacuum, people gravitate towards a reasonable explicating reason. Some point to the increase in conference games in both the Big East and SEC.

Others, including me, think it no longer serves South Carolina (nothing wrong with that, but it is unfortunate that there is a limit to “Good-for-the-game” games) when Geno proved that he has Dawn’s number despite the illusionary interregnum of UConn’s biblical-injury-filled seasons.

And yes, Dawn did commit to such games when she was trying to establish SC as a powerhouse. It was in Dawn’s best interest to do so. That calculus is irrelevant now when her program is another powerhouse which makes the UConn-SC matchup appointment TV to grow the game.
 
For some context, I went back to look at UConn’s schedule during the 2012-13 season when very arguably the BE was the toughest WBB conference in the nation. The BE placed 3 teams in the FF: Louisville, ND & UConn. UConn played ND four times, losing the first 3 in tough, close battles, before turning the tables in the national semifinal.

So who was on UConn’s OOC schedule that season? A couple of mismatches to be sure. But mostly, UConn played a bunch of solid P5 schools like Purdue, PSU, Oregon, TX A&M, Wake Forest, as well as 3 perennial powerhouse schools: Stanford, MD & #1 ranked Baylor in Lubbock, TX, in February, during the middle of the BE regular season.

The Huskies lost another tough battle to the Bears in Waco and then again to ND in the BE tournament championship. But with Stewie leading the way, the Huskies ran the table in March when it counted most.

That was a great year for WBB with many Big Games on national tv. That UConn team was, at least until this past season, my favorite because of the challenges the Huskies faced in order to win it all.
 
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South Carolina plays in the SEC. It's a loaded conference for WCBB. Playing us doesn't gain anything. Win the SEC regular season or tourney and you automatically get a #1 seed. What does South Carolina get out of playing UConn?
What does SC get out of playing UConn? Let's count the ways:

1. Game improvement: Matches against an evenly matched opponent helps elevate the game overall.

2. Varied Competition: Playing outside your conference against another evenly matched team provides a different offensive and defensive perspective that can be an extremely valuable learning tool for skill development particularly in young players

3. Increased Fan Engagement: SC and UConn contests provide the fans, you know the ones who fill the seats and buy all the sports paraphernalia ;), much excitement and interest in the game of WCB overall.

4. National Viewership: The SC-UConn game is and without doubt will be a nationally televised game giving both schools and their programs a huge national audience and much more attention than they receive playing within their respective conferences.

5. Ranking: Competing against other top teams outside of your conference helps establish rankings. Playing in the SEC provides a better ranking than playing in the BE. True. But what happens if SC doesn't win the SEC or (oh, no!) comes in down the line at #3 or worse? What happened to that #1 seed?

There's probably more but you get the idea. It's really too bad that a game pitting the two top programs was cancelled. There are many advantages for both and while there may be some disadvantages the plusses outweigh the minuses.
 
First of all, I cannot recall an instance where Geno has ever turned down playing a ranked team. You can make any excuse you want for South Carolina ending the series but it comes down to simply, they don't want to lose a game.
And you know for certain that Dawn pulled the plug on the series?

A month ago a Connecticut paper speculated that the series would end based upon UConn having fewer slots due to the Big East adding two more conference games and the renews of the Tennessee series. The SEC added two more games to SCar’s Spring conference schedule last year.

No, you don’t know who “pulled the plug.” In fact, neither may have pulled it. It just may be that neither was overly interested in renewing - given their present and near future scheduling needs.

I think there’s a good chance we meet a few times in April over the next few years.
 
And you know for certain that Dawn pulled the plug on the series?

A month ago a Connecticut paper speculated that the series would end based upon UConn having fewer slots due to the Big East adding two more conference games and the renews of the Tennessee series. The SEC added two more games to SCar’s Spring conference schedule last year.

No, you don’t know who “pulled the plug.” In fact, neither may have pulled it. It just may be that neither was overly interested in renewing - given their present and near future scheduling needs.

I think there’s a good chance we meet a few times in April over the next few years.
Because of relative conference strength, or lack there of, it is fair to suggest that UConn has a much greater interest in keeping this game going than SC. Beyond that, we don’t know the specific discussion that may have taken place about renewing the series, or the reasons for ending it.
 
What teams can UConn play OOC that would match the SC-UConn matchup?

The team would have to be one that would draw similar national attention. IMO, a USC-UConn or UCLA-UConn would easily fit well because both teams are well coached and have attracted lately AA's that people want to watch. Plus it hits the "west coast vs east coast" vibe that would draw a national audience. OK, let's hear the other options.
 
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