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You know deep down it must have killed some well known national columnists that they couldn't dump all over our players academics during our tournament run. The Boston Globe editorial page tried to and Susan Herbst smacked them around with real facts.
 
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Great job on the academic front boys.

Blankety-blank #$*@$ all the haters!
 
Unfortunately, what we're likely to see is:
"I know we hammered UConn for having a poor APR before, but NOW we know the APR is a BS tool. Just look at UConn's graduation rate. Deplorable!"
"What? You say they graduated a bunch of their recent players. Well that must be because they're all taking joke classes just for basketball players."
"Like UNC? No! That wasn't an athletic fraud, just an academic one. Everyone knows UNC runs a clean program, because... well they just do."

I do love the progress the program is making in 'U categories. It just makes the haters look more and more ignorant. Just keep winning and graduating players and I guess it'll eventually turn.
 
So, to recap if you are scoring at home, the NCAA prevented a team with a perfect academic progress report from participating in the NCAA Tournament due to academics.

At least the selection committee uses current data, or they would have kept this year's team out of the NCAA Tournament based on the 2010 team's poor RPI.
 
Gurleyman said:
So, to recap if you are scoring at home, the NCAA prevented a team with a perfect academic progress report from participating in the NCAA Tournament due to academics.

At least the selection committee uses current data, or they would have kept this year's team out of the NCAA Tournament based on the 2010 team's poor RPI.
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A million times this.
 
Gurleyman said:
So, to recap if you are scoring at home, the NCAA prevented a team with a perfect academic progress report from participating in the NCAA Tournament due to academics.

At least the selection committee uses current data, or they would have kept this year's team out of the NCAA Tournament based on the 2010 team's poor RPI.
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I'd love to see Jacobs or DiMauro run with this story and include the double jeopardy and ex post facto issue and the hypocrisy of UConn being vilified while UNC got a pass for phonying up their academic record. Much of the work is done in prior threads and it would be a story that would get national coverage and keep the pressure on Emmert.
 
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8893 said:
Mark Emmert @NCAA
NCAA releasing latest APR standards today; "More than perfect" now required to avoid suspension. #askemmert.
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This will end up costing UConn three scholarships, banishment from the postseason for each year of perfect scores achieved, and consider current perfect players ineligible retroactively as well. Given Shabazz Napier, Neils Giffey, and Tyler Olander were present on the 2011 National Championship team, said Championship will regrettably be vacated. It begs the question: when will UConn wake up and at least give an earnest attempt at elevating their academics to a level of, say, a Kentucky?
 
There is actually an interesting database on the NCAA website that has the multi year numbers back to 2004.

I find it incredible it was deemed OK to change the goalposts on APR punishments circa 2010 when the scores in question were already in the past. How did the NCAA get away with that. Syracuse had a dreadful APR in the mid to late 2000s and only lost one scholarship..
 
nym410 said:
There is actually an interesting database on the NCAA website that has the multi year numbers back to 2004.

I find it incredible it was deemed OK to change the goalposts on APR punishments circa 2010 when the scores in question were already in the past. How did the NCAA get away with that. Syracuse had a dreadful APR in the mid to late 2000s and only lost one scholarship..
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That's why I never thought that punishment would be upheld. If UConn had sued, they'd have won. Apparently they figured that taking the one-year suspension was better than pissing off the NCAA, which is made up of vindictive scum like Emmert.
 
Pudge said:
Great ... we learned how to game the system like Kentucky. Take a Frosh & make sure they get handheld til they are off campus.
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Seems like an odd sentiment, since the entire 2012-13 team that got the perfect score was back this year (except Wolf), and three of them just graduated. We were nothing like Kentucky in the last two years. You could make that point perhaps with Drummond and Lamb the year before, but DD is the only guy who is going to end up leaving early for the NBA off the 2012-13 team, and he was taking final exams this spring - so he put in three good years in the classroom.

Gaming the system is when you figure out a way to get just enough credits to the one and dones so they still maintain satisfactory academic progress when they leave. You're not gaming the system when kids graduate.
 
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Seems like an odd sentiment, since the entire 2012-13 team that got the perfect score was back this year (except Wolf), and three of them just graduated. We were nothing like Kentucky in the last two years. You could make that point perhaps with Drummond and Lamb the year before, but DD is the only guy who is going to end up leaving early for the NBA off the 2012-13 team, and he was taking final exams this spring - so he put in three good years in the classroom.

Gaming the system is when you figure out a way to get just enough credits to the one and dones so they still maintain satisfactory academic progress when they leave. You're not gaming the system when kids graduate.
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Well ... you & I have to discuss three things.

Number 1: It is a game. It is not directly related to learning or progression towards a degree when within the division you can clearly have a significant number of kids that have no concern for the APR goal. The School makes sure they don't take a hit; the Kids at risk are "paper" advanced. (WHAT? You thought the UNC example was an outlier? I think that's par for bigtime.)

Number 2: As you pointed out, we had a perfect path to a perfect score. But big deal. What are we really trying to do IF Drummond & Lamb are your examples of "failed" students? Development of young men into good adults is what KO preaches. I think the Harvey Araton focus on our Grad rates misses the point of that.

Number 3; The true measurement is related to what Kevin Ollie stated. We develop good men from fairly raw talented athletes. Over & over. I think that is a great record and NOT tied to this APR. At the 30 year mark (soon!!) when Calhoun drove down 195, I think we have an outstanding track record of sending guys into productive lives. Whether that is in NBA playoffs ... or as a Teacher/Social Worker in a Connecticut school.
 
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The Oklahoma State Cowboys will be practicing a little less this season because the program's Academic Progress Rate score has dropped below the NCAA's minimum standard.

The football team will lose the equivalent of one practice day per week this season for falling below the standard -- an APR score of 930 over a four-year period, or a score of 940 over a two-year span.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...lose-practice-days-apr-falls-minimum-standard
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Before any one jumps the gun and puts a hit out for Emmert, ok state met the two year score of 940 allowing them to avoid postseason ban according to the article from the conference realignment board.
 
Pudge said:
Well ... you & I have to discuss three things.

Number 1: It is a game. It is not directly related to learning or progression towards a degree when within the division you can clearly have a significant number of kids that have no concern for the APR goal. The School makes sure they don't take a hit; the Kids at risk are "paper" advanced. (WHAT? You thought the UNC example was an outlier? I think that's par for bigtime.)

Number 2: As you pointed out, we had a perfect path to a perfect score. But big deal. What are we really trying to do IF Drummond & Lamb are your examples of "failed" students? Development of young men into good adults is what KO preaches. I think the Harvey Araton focus on our Grad rates misses the point of that.

Number 3; The true measurement is related to what Kevin Ollie stated. We develop good men from fairly raw talented athletes. Over & over. I think that is a great record and NOT tied to this APR. At the 30 year mark (soon!!) when Calhoun drove down 195, I think we have an outstanding track record of sending guys into productive lives. Whether that is in NBA playoffs ... or as a Teacher/Social Worker in a Connecticut school.
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We're close to being on the same page. My basic point was that we didn't game the system. Our players in the last two years have legitimately made academic progress towards their degrees - at least to the best of our current knowledge (Bazz, Giff and Tyler getting them). There are ways to game the numbers, and perhaps we did that with Drummond and Lamb to make sure they had enough credits before leaving. The NCAA's "satisfactory progress" after one year (24 credits) is well short of being on pace to graduate - so you can figure out how to make sure they do just enough to cross that threshold and not count against you, with the idea that they are even trying to get a degree just being a sham (Drummond, incidentally, has taken some courses at UConn since leaving, so he was never really a sham of a student-athlete, and Lamb wasn't really an early-entry candidate coming out of HS, he just blew up in college).

The APR is a foolish system - in fact, I find the whole way people pontificate about graduation rates, etc. to be ridiculous. In college baseball, anyone with any sort of pro aspirations typically leaves after three years and doesn't graduate. In basketball, if seniors who are borderline-to-long-shot NBA guys want to make the decision to forget their final semester of college to go focus on workouts and put their minds 100 percent to basketball, they should have that right. They're adults at that point - capable of their own decisions, and college will always be there to finish up some credits later (these are presumably all guys who can make decent money overseas).

If the NCAA takes a closer look and finds out that a college program isn't graduating kids because they don't provide the adequate support system and don't give a hoot about them after they play their final game, that's another matter. But if someone like Jerome Dyson or Jeff Adrien puts off graduating to take their best shot at the pros, and deal with being one semester short until they can come back and finish up, to me that's their business. Reducing everything to a number is oversimplifying a complex issue.
 
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Walter Harrison, president of the University of Hartford and chairman of the NCAA's Committee on Academic Progress, added, "[UConn] should be very proud of their achievements. Everybody from the president to the players has embraced the importance of academics and we applaud them for that."

So what this twisted little toad is saying is that UConn did care about academics until he got out the torches and pitchforks. Screw him and screw UHar.
 
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