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ESPN's first right of refusal on old Big East contract (and NBC's lowball offer):
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whaler11 said:
LOL I knew it because it was posted a bunch of times - Is that really what your argument has been reduced to, that I learned it from other posters? You still miss the point that counting on NBC to spend money was a fool's errand with or without the ESPN ability to match.

I will leave you alone to spin your crazy ideas that can't and won't work - but you've got them so everyone else is wrong.
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ESPN right of first refusal was discussed ad nauseum both on here and by regional talking heads. If that is when you realized we were screwed, maybe you should refrain from offering solutions. Marinato knew of espn right of first refusal as he mentioned it publicly on several occasions. The old big East guard loved espn more than anyone.

Looking back compare the right of first refusal in the Big East contract vs the Big 12's pro rata increase for expansion. I know hindsight is 20 20, but the BE, didn't have the best negotiators on their side that is for sure.
 
whaler11 said:
LOL I knew it because it was posted a bunch of times - Is that really what your argument has been reduced to, that I learned it from other posters? You still miss the point that counting on NBC to spend money was a fool's errand with or without the ESPN ability to match.

I will leave you alone to spin your crazy ideas that can't and won't work - but you've got them so everyone else is wrong.
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Is there a 7th option? What is it? PLEASE share it with us.
 
noeynox said:
ESPN right of first refusal was discussed ad nauseum both on here and by regional talking heads. If that is when you realized we were screwed, maybe you should refrain from offering solutions. Marinato knew of espn right of first refusal as he mentioned it publicly on several occasions. The old big East guard loved espn more than anyone.

Looking back compare the right of first refusal in the Big East contract vs the Big 12's pro rata increase for expansion. I know hindsight is 20 20, but the BE, didn't have the best negotiators on their side that is for sure.
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Depending on how you define "the Big East", 14 of the 17 schools came out of realignment much better than most probably imagined they would do (well, Whaler knew those 14 would turn out great, just ask him). Only 3 schools lost in realignment: UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Depending on how you define "the Big East", 14 of the 17 schools came out of realignment much better than most probably imagined they would do (well, Whaler knew those 14 would turn out great, just ask him). Only 3 schools lost in realignment: UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida.
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I normally ignore all that you post ...

But, you continuously fail to recognize that our University and our Athletic Department has little in common with Catholic / Private colleges in the urban North. You do the best you can with what's in your opportunity set ... and I truly don't believe our place on the College Sports landscape is where we are today.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Depending on how you define "the Big East", 14 of the 17 schools came out of realignment much better than most probably imagined they would do (well, Whaler knew those 14 would turn out great, just ask him). Only 3 schools lost in realignment: UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida.
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I know you like to think you're way ahead of the curve with what you're proposing, but you're not. Everyone on this board knows things are tenuous at best for uconn athletics going forward. We also know our athletic subsidy is really not overwhelmingly greater than our competitors.

You seem to be upset that you don't know what uconn is doing for the future.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
So what do we do about it?

Two choices:

1) Cut costs
2) Add revenue (Joining a P5 league is not part of this option for at least 9 years).

Which do you prefer?
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This has no factual basis in reality. None. Revenue can increase by increased attendance, it will definitely increase when the AAC has a new deal in 3 years as well. Those are going to happen, even with the status quo. There is also no basis to conclude that a P5 invite can't happen for 9 years. It could happen in 2 months, or anytime really.

You tarnish your valid points by painting the "status quo" as if our current revenue stream is fixed and static. It is not. You saying it is doesn't make it so. The UConn Nike deal expires in two years by the way. It will increase, and UA will be in the mix.
 
noeynox said:
I know you like to think you're way ahead of the curve with what you're proposing, but you're not. Everyone on this board knows things are tenuous at best for uconn athletics going forward. We also know our athletic subsidy is really not overwhelmingly greater than our competitors.

You seem to be upset that you don't know what uconn is doing for the future.
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I am upset that UConn Athletics is on track to be third or fourth tier within a relatively short time frame. I have spent a lot of time and money on the basketball and football program, and had a lot of fun following both over the years, and they will likely be so different (and worse) as to be unrecognizable within just a few years. Maybe there is nothing anyone can do about it, but it doesn't look like anyone is even trying.
 
Pudge said:
I normally ignore all that you post ...

But, you continuously fail to recognize that our University and our Athletic Department has little in common with Catholic / Private colleges in the urban North. You do the best you can with what's in your opportunity set ... and I truly don't believe our place on the College Sports landscape is where we are today.
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14 teams came out of the Big East in great shape, and we didn't. Scoreboard.
 

Second, UConn is clearly following through on their plan to expand the responsibilities of the athletic department beyond the field of play and into fundraising. Any of Benedict, Cegles or Goetz has the skills to run the day-to-day operations of the department while the others play the long game of raising the funds necessary to keep UConn in the top tier of athletic universities.
 
junglehusky said:

Second, UConn is clearly following through on their plan to expand the responsibilities of the athletic department beyond the field of play and into fundraising. Any of Benedict, Cegles or Goetz has the skills to run the day-to-day operations of the department while the others play the long game of raising the funds necessary to keep UConn in the top tier of athletic universities.
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The "sugar daddy" plan. Better than nothing I guess.
 
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Let's talk plan
We are coming off horrendous football years and have incurred about s $ 5000 shortfall in football. .
The way we do accounting the full cost of student aid is charged as an expenditure,with 85 scholarship players that makes up a significant piece of the $14,000 dollar football budget.
We are not that far from making football revenue neutral even in the AAC
We can readily get football back to a neutral position even in the AAC
Football even for G5 schools is the only sport where revenue increases are even possible.
For instance Uconn shared in the AAC $23,000m playoff / Boel distribution
In addition to the media deal. There was $80,000m distributed to G5 schools
We can increase revrnue by $2500m annually just by getting attendance back to early PP numbers
Why would you even consider dropping the only sport that sacould ve your athletic Dept.
Of 22 sports only one made money ,women's BB lost over $2,000m
22 is actually in the upper end for P5
Should we drop some sports probsbly.
Although the women's tourney is very profitable for the NCAA teams get $0 money
That's an outrage
Just an aside when UConn went FBS our endowment was about $150,000 it's now at $400,000 plus
Is football responsible? It didn't hurt
 
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AZHuskiePop said:
Let's talk plan
We are coming off horrendous football years and have incurred about s $ 5000 softball in football. .
The way we do accounting the full cost of student aid is charged as an expenditure,with 85 scholarship players that makes up a significant piece of the $14,000 dollar football budget.
We are not that far from making football revenue neutral even in the AAC
We can readily get football back to a neutral position even in the AAC
Football even for G5 schools is the only sport where revenue increases are even possible.
For instance Uconn shared in the AAC $23,000m playoff / Boel distribution
In addition to the media deal. There was $80,000m distributed to G5 schools
We can increase revrnue by $2500m annually just by getting attendance back to early PP numbers
Why would you even consider dropping the only sport that sacould ve your athletic Dept.
Of 22 sports only one made money ,women's BB lost over $2,000m
22 is actually in the upper end for P5
Should we drop some sports probsbly.
Although the women's tourney is very profitable for the NCAA teams get $0 money
That's an outrage
Just an aside when UConn went FBS our endowment was about $150,000 it's now at $400,000 plus
Is football responsible? It didn't hurt
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Football is revenue neutral in the AAC? Huh?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The "sugar daddy" plan. Better than nothing I guess.
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You really lack the ability to see anything other than your own narrative don't you? Clearly UConn is looking at all forms of alternative income but you just dismiss it as looking for a "sugar daddy".
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Football is revenue neutral in the AAC? Huh?
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Our football revenue was $9,000m last year,
Do I have to tell you how bad we've been, so those numbers are historic lows.
A winning year gets you to $11,000m or $12,000m just in attendance.
A better bowl
A bigger playoff distribution
One only away paydays
Yes it's doable
Listen if anything I'm a basketball purest .
so I have no football agenda
Schools are fighting to be G5 I couldn't understand that until you look at the dollar potential of that sport even for those left behind.
Neutrality is doable but even if you get close its very beneficial to the school.

Plus football is $14,o00m of a $70,000 budget that includes 17 sports that contribute nothing.
So any solution that removes the only possible way of increasing revenue is counterproductive .
No comment on endowment?
 
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Every 5-6 years, when heading to NJ or points south, I think : hmm, maybe the GWB won't be so bad this time. And every 5-6 years, I regret giving it the benefit of the doubt.

I say this because this is exactly how I feel trying to have a logic and fact based discourse with a gd lunatic named NelsonMuntz.
 
The Funster said:
You really lack the ability to see anything other than your own narrative don't you? Clearly UConn is looking at all forms of alternative income but you just dismiss it as looking for a "sugar daddy".
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1st complain they are doing nothing. When they show they are doing something, criticize, what they are doing.

Benedict has not strong armed anyone into returning UConn's 3rd tier rights yet, so....
 
noeynox said:
1st complain they are doing nothing. When they show they are doing something, criticize, what they are doing.

Benedict has not strong armed anyone into returning UConn's 3rd tier rights yet, so....
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It's actually fair to say they are doing the best they can given what they have inhereted.

Strong stable of coaches.
Hire some people to fundraise.
Keep building the university academically.
Work behind the scenes on P5 relationships.

See what happens 2021 or so.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I think UConn athletics is in its final years as a national program. I think the school and the league are going to pray for a miracle from ESPN, and when the next contract looks like this one, the Board of Trustees is going to pull the plug, slashing costs until we look like a MAC program. Ollie will take the next NBA job, Geno will retire, and we will be lucky to be UMass by the time it is done.
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We should bookmark this post and save under the caption "Legends of Assholery"
 
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CL82 said:
Are you really asking why is it your fault that you are a "Legend of Assholery?"
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Legend in his own mind. Some posters are feeding his e-ego.
 
whaler11 said:
It's actually fair to say they are doing the best they can given what they have inhereted.

Strong stable of coaches.
Hire some people to fundraise.
Keep building the university academically.
Work behind the scenes on P5 relationships.

See what happens 2021 or so.
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So you are proposing a $100 million investment in athletics to cover losses to "see what happens 2021 or so"? Does that sound like a smart plan? What happens when the P5 doors are still closed? 2025? 2030? 2050? What will the ESPN contract look like in 2025? $500k a year for the conference? Is that what we are holding out for?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
So you are proposing a $100 million investment in athletics to cover losses to "see what happens 2021 or so"? Does that sound like a smart plan? What happens when the P5 doors are still closed? 2025? 2030? 2050? What will the ESPN contract look like in 2025? $500k a year for the conference? Is that what we are holding out for?
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There is this thing called the unknown. It is unavoidable. Whatever you may believe, I guarantee that the administration at UConn is well aware of all of this, and has contingency plans or will put contingency plans in place at the appropriate time. You do not know what plans they have. So bitching about the absence of a plan, that you don't even know is absent, is really a giant waste of time.

Only any idiot would think that this moment in time is the time to somehow implement that grand contingency plan. It would be like jumping out of a moving car instead of applying the brakes.
 
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