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Richard Coren?

Just kidding. I really like that guy. He always treated me fair over there back in the day.

Coren seems like a really good guy, he's a big hoops fan obviously. I listened to a podcast he did a couple days ago (that was the one where Fanta picked PC) and it was well done and entertaining and informative. It's unfortunate he is a PC fan ;) , but I respect his commitment.
 

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Seriously folks, it's 2023 and Providence is most definitely one of our main rivals. It's a a real thing; we don't like each other, they are just across the border in Rhode Island, we're in the same conference, and this will be our third meeting this year. This rivalry is dirty, lots of venom in both of our fan bases, both teams are playing great basketball this year, and both of us ranked most of the year.

This rivalry is good for us; it brings out the unwanted, underlying grudging respect we have for each other. We don't like you, and we really want to beat you. We're tied up 1 and 1, and this game matters the most. Madison Square Garden will be rocking!
Disagree. They need something more to be relevant other than “Ernie D.!” and being located in a small college located in the state adjacent to Connecticut.

It seems like the most enthusiastic Connecticut fan can only come up with something like “well, they aren’t that far away from us, so, uh, I guess they are our rivals.” Boys and girls that is not a rivalry.

Think of it this way, you and your spouse go out to dinner at a friends house and when dessert rolls around, they ask you if you’d like a Hunt’s Snack Pack pudding in a can. I mean, I guess I wouldn’t say no thanks, but it’s nothing I’d get particularly excited over. To me, playing Providence College is pudding in a can. It’s mildly disappointing, but I wouldn’t say no to it.
 

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Weird how some of you are so hung up on the "same state" thing (K State & KU or Bama & Auburn etc). In case you forgot, Connecticut and Rhode Island are very small states. Unless CCSU or Yale has a major glow-up in the next 20 years, a true intrastate rivalry is never going to happen for us. Extending this out to New England as a whole makes perfect sense and shouldn't be considered a negative mark.
 

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From what I heard it was good blow too.
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Weird how some of you are so hung up on the "same state" thing (K State & KU or Bama & Auburn etc). In case you forgot, Connecticut and Rhode Island are very small states. Unless CCSU or Yale has a major glow-up in the next 20 years, a true intrastate is never going to happen for us. Extending this out to New England as a whole makes perfect sense and shouldn't be considered a negative mark.
Auburn and Alabama are more than 2 times the distance from each other than Providence and Storrs
 
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The last time St John's was relevant, cell phones were the size of shoe boxes. The last time PC was relevant, cell phones hadn't been invented yet.
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From what I heard it was good blow too.

Prepare your liver for Thursday pal!

Go easy on me, I haven't had a drink in 41 days. Not for any particular reason other than just wanted to see what a month off did, but it felt good so I just haven't picked back up yet. But yeah, tomorrow is a good day for a couple.
 

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Coren seems like a really good guy, he's a big hoops fan obviously. I listened to a podcast he did a couple days ago (that was the one where Fanta picked PC) and it was well done and entertaining and informative. It's unfortunate he is a PC fan ;) , but I respect his commitment.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not, but in his Big East Tournament preview article Fanta picked us to lose to Creighton in the final.
 
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Disagree. They need something more to be relevant other than “Ernie D.!” and being located in a small college located in the state adjacent to Connecticut.

It seems like the most enthusiastic Connecticut fan can only come up with something like “well, they aren’t that far away from us, so, uh, I guess they are our rivals.” Boys and girls that is not a rivalry.

Think of it this way, you and your spouse go out to dinner at a friends house and when dessert rolls around, they ask you if you’d like a Hunt’s Snack Pack pudding in a can. I mean, I guess I wouldn’t say no thanks, but it’s nothing I’d get particularly excited over. To me, playing Providence College is pudding in a can. It’s mildly disappointing, but I wouldn’t say no to it.
So my friend, I respect your opinion, it is probably the main reason I am replying here, but if Providence is not a rival of ours, could you perhaps sort of define how you perceive what the word rivalry means to you, and/or cite a program or two whom you consider our rivals. In regards to 2023 here, not in terms of who our historical rivals may have been, even though some programs may have been and still be our 'rivals'.

Not looking to argue here, genuinely curious to see a differing mind-set.
 
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Every one of us here will be ticked off if PC wins tomorrow. This game means something! A loss to Marquette,Creighton or Xavier would be easier to accept. Don’t kid yourselves.
 
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Every one of us here will be ticked off if PC wins tomorrow. This game means something! A loss to Marquette,Creighton or Xavier would be easier to accept. Don’t kid yourselves.

Ticked off because it's PC or ticked off because we're a good team this year and should go further than our first game of the BET?

In other words, I don't think this proves PC is a rival at all but the game can still certainly mean something.
 

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You can see that because until just this year we had a losing record against all four of Syracuse, Villanova, Georgetown, and St. John's, and a winning record against everyone else in the original BE. We only just this year tied Georgetown. After 2014, we were 31-32 against Nova, but they've since surged ahead

v. Syracuse: 39-56
v. Georgetown: 36-36
v. Villanova: 34-38
v. St. John's: 31-36

Should catch and pass St. John's in the next three years or so. Maybe we'll catch Villanova again. Should start putting some distance between ourselves and Georgetown. Sucks that Syracuse is still +17 on us.

PC, by the way: 40-30, good guys.
Yes and thanks for the added detail. For discussion in this thread the salient points for a good rivalry are geographic proximity and similar successes.

Syracuse fans naturally would bring in to any discussion that differential of their success but when we were at our prime and winning NCs that differential factor was meaningless and only stated to save face. So a third factor to the two listed above would be current relevancy. You can bet your bottom dollar the Syracuse fanbase is almost as upset about our success this year as they are about their current lack of success. So yes we are still rivals with Syracuse so long as both programs can be premier programs. But prior to our rise to success they looked at us the same way we currently look at St. Johns and Georgetown.

My personal preference given our situation is that Syracuse becomes as irrelevant in basketball as say Boston College. We derive no benefit from maintaining them as a rival so long as we are in different conferences earning unequal media compensation. Every UConn fan should understand that the success of the BE programs in our geographic proximity is paramount to increasing the financial success of UConn athletics and hence UConn men's bb. Maintaining a rivalry with Syracuse is a net economic loss compared to rivalries that can be developed with Providence, Villanova, St. John's, Seton Hall and Georgetown. We want to develop intra conference rivals and hope programs in other comparable conferences within our geographical location die on the vine.
That more than anything other than success will increase the potential in getting better future media contracts.
 
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Ticked off because it's PC or ticked off because we're a good team this year and should go further than our first game of the BET?

In other words, I don't think this proves PC is a rival at all but the game can still certainly mean something.
Both
 

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So my friend, I respect your opinion, it is probably the main reason I am replying here, but if Providence is not a rival of ours, could you perhaps sort of define how you perceive what the word rivalry means to you, and/or cite a program or two whom you consider our rivals. In regards to 2023 here, not in terms of who our historical rivals may have been, even though some programs may have been and still be our 'rivals'.

Not looking to argue here, genuinely curious to see a differing mind-set.
Yeah, no worries. I enjoy talking with you on the boards.

Defining, a rivalry is kind of tough. It reminds me of the supreme court justice, who said that he didn’t have a definition for what constituted “pornography”, but he knew it when he saw it.

So, first and foremost, the game has to matter to both sides. We have 50% of that for UConn PC games. It’s their biggest game of the year. I could see why it matters to them. We are the big dog in New England, a national program with multiple national championships, and they are a small college located in a state adjacent to us. Proximity to us is really their only claim to fame in the modern era. I smiled when a poster above said that PC isn’t even a little brother, they are like a little cousin, and one that you don’t really see all that often. There’s a relationship of a sort, but it is not a particularly meaning for one.

That leads us to the second criteria that comes to mind, that you need to have had meaningful games with the opponent to create a rivalry. When did Connecticut and Providence ever play each other in a game that was really meaningful? Certainly not on a national level and I don’t recall ever playing them to win one of our, what is it seven conference championships. Rivalries evolve naturally when opponents take something meaningful from you and the loss stings. Can you come up with anything for PC? Me either. Now some might say, well, I hate losing to them, but I would ask do you really hate losing to them more than you would hate losing to say, Fairfield or Yale? Losing to a traditionally inferior local opponent is annoying, but it’s not a rivalry.

Finally, the two programs need to be of equal stature and capability, so that the outcomes of the games are in doubt. That results in every game, being a battle, and close contested games help fuel the fire of a rivalry.

So, who are rivals now? I’m not sure that we have any. Certainly, there’s mutual dislike between the fan bases of Syracuse and Connecticut, but we don’t play them often enough for those games to be meaningful. Likewise, we despise BC fans, mostly because their school blackballed us from joining the ACC decades ago. But even when they played us with frequency, they weren’t much of a rival because the games weren’t competitive. Connecticut had like what, 20 something odd game winning streak versus Boston College. So, who’s left, Nova because they kept our seat warm as top dogs in the Big East when we were gone? Seton Hall because we often go after the same kids and they seem to have an ability to win games against us? I don’t think so. No one really leaps off the page. One can argue that we had a sort of rivalry with Duke back in the day when we were playing each other for meaningful games. We probably did, but their main rival is, of course, UNC with whom they have physical proximity and a long history of meaningful games.

So, rivalries aren’t mandated. They need to develop naturally over time. The question “so who is our rival” implies that you must have one. I don’t think that’s the case, and as we saw from the Diaco/UCF Conflict debacle, trying to force it ends up being a bad look.
 
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Yeah, no worries. I enjoy talking with you on the boards.

Defining, a rivalry is kind of tough. It reminds me of the supreme court justice, who said that he didn’t have a definition for what constituted “pornography”, but he knew it when he saw it.

So, first and foremost, the game has to matter to both sides. We have 50% of that for UConn PC games. It’s their biggest game of the year. I could see why it matters to them. We are the big dog in New England, a national program with multiple national championships, and they are a small college located in a state adjacent to us. Proximity to us is really their only claim to fame in the modern era. I smiled when a poster above said that PC isn’t even a little brother, they are like a little cousin, and one that you don’t really see all that often. There’s a relationship of a sort, but it is in a particularly meaning for one.

That leads us to the second criteria that comes to mind, that you need to have had meaningful games with the opponent to create a rivalry. When did Connecticut and Providence ever play each other in a game that was really meaningful? Certainly not on a national level and I don’t recall ever playing them to win one of our, what is it seven conference championships. Rivalries evolve naturally when opponents take something meaningful from you and the loss stings. Can you come up with anything for PC? Me either. Now some might say, well, I hate losing to them, but I would ask do you really hate losing to them more than you would hate losing to say, Fairfield or Yale? Losing to a traditionally inferior local opponent is annoying, but it’s not a rivalry.

Finally, the two programs need to be of equal stature and capability, so that the outcomes of the games are in doubt. That results in every game, being a battle, and close contested games help fuel the fire of a rivalry.

So, who are rivals now? I’m not sure that we have any. Certainly, there’s mutual dislike between the fan bases of Syracuse and Connecticut, but we don’t play them often enough for those games to be meaningful. Likewise, we despise BC fans, mostly because their school blackballed us from joining the ACC decades ago. But even when they played us with frequency, they weren’t much of a rival because the games weren’t competitive. Connecticut had like what, 20 something odd game winning streak versus Boston College. So, who’s left, Nova because they kept our seat warm as top dogs in the Big East when we were gone? Seton Hall because we often go after the same kids and they seem to have an ability to win games against us? I don’t think so. No one really leaps off the page. One can argue that we had a sort of rivalry with Duke back in the day when we were playing each other for meaningful games. We probably did, but their main rival is, of course, UNC with whom they have physical proximity and a long history of meaningful games.

So, rivalries aren’t mandated. They need to develop naturally over time. The question “so who is our rival” implies that you must have one. I don’t think that’s the case, and as we saw from the Diaco/UCF Conflict debacle, trying to force it ends up being a bad look.
Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly.
 

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Go easy on me, I haven't had a drink in 41 days. Not for any particular reason other than just wanted to see what a month off did, but it felt good so I just haven't picked back up yet. But yeah, tomorrow is a good day for a couple.
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Auburn and Alabama are more than 2 times the distance from each other than Providence and Storrs
Villanova, a BRAND like us, is really our biggest conference rival. TV ratings confirm it. Close proximity is not the major factor. UConn vs PC is a rivalry but not the biggest.
 

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When did Connecticut and Providence ever play each other in a game that was really meaningful?
Do you have to play a meaningful game to be a rivalry? Yale vs Harvard say Hi.
Finally, the two programs need to be of equal stature and capability
Ridiculous. Syracuse wasn't ever our stature either. You closet Boeheim fan?
But even when they played us with frequency, they weren’t much of a rival because the games weren’t competitive.
PC is 2-2 all-time versus Connecticut in the BIG EAST Tournament
PC is 3-3 all time all-time versus Connecticut on Neutral courts
PC is 3-2 vs connecticut since UConn has rejoined the league
One can argue that we had a sort of rivalry with Duke back in the day
We never had a rivalry with Duke. You saying that is so laughable because your hypocrisy show through. You say you don't consider Providence a rival so it can't be a rivalry if one side doesn't think so. I'm here to tell you that Duke fans NEVER looked at UConn as a rival, and laugh at the notion that people like you consider them one. Just like you laugh at Providence fans for considering us one. Which way do you want it?

Nobody is forcing this to be a rivalry for you.

But like a poster above, I hate losing to Providence more than any team in the BigEast. That is enough for me.

Your rules are tired, and quite frankly boring .
 

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Villanova, a BRAND like us, is really our biggest conference rival. TV ratings confirm it. Close proximity is not the major factor. UConn vs PC is a rivalry but not the biggest.
Who called it the biggest? I think we have rivals, I wouldn't call any one of them the biggest at this point. Not Nova but I see them as a rival, not anyone at this point takes "biggest" for me. I can tell you I personally hate losing to Providence more than losing to Nova. It's that simple for me. Doesnt mean Providence is the biggest rival though. But they are one. Creighton is building towards one for me.
 

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