MilfordHusky
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No, they played the same way in this game that they played all season. A coach should be fired for changing the way they play for 1 game and losing that game in record fashion.That St. Francis coach should have been fired for malpractice. He actually though that was the right strategy to try and out tempo UCONN.
Well hell, Doug tries it every year, and uses line hockey changes to boot.That St. Francis coach should have been fired for malpractice. He actually though that was the right strategy to try and out tempo UCONN.
That St. Francis coach should have been fired for malpractice. He actually though that was the right strategy to try and out tempo UCONN.
That St. Francis coach should have been fired for malpractice. He actually though that was the right strategy to try and out tempo UCONN.
Um no. The 64 teams who make the tourney are not always the best. I am not a betting man but I would bet most of the teams in the Power 5 conferences who did not make the tourney would probably beat St. Francis. Not like Uconn did but ...When you talk about "records that will NEVER be broken", you can start with THIS game. 94 points in the first half is ridiculous, but UConn did it. In a NCAA tournament game no less. What makes it even more intriguing is that the game was not against a low mid-major "cupcake", but one of the best 64 programs in the country at the time.
You can put this game right next to their 111 consecutive game win streak. To break this record, you've got to score practically every time down the court, and the other team has got to help you by playing at a fast pace.
No approach by St. francis was going to get them a win so I'll causally avoid that red herring. Within the game itself he gave up! He made no defensive adjustments. He made 16 substitutions in the first quarter alone, none of the kids coming into the game knew who to match up with- watch the St. Francis confusion running up and down the floor. He used no timeouts to organize his team or stop the UCONN run. The kids were desperately looking for instruction & direction and he provided none. Lastly an this might be more of an approach issue, St. Francis committed 17 fouls in the game NONE of which was strategic. What I mean by that is when faced with a superior speedy team you strategically foul to stop the fast break or stop the action so that you can catch your breath and organize you defense. Of course you would have to be playing defense in the first place and clearly St. Francis was not.How do you propose the coach should have approached the game in an effort to win? And make sure that it's in an effort to win, not an effort to lose. IOW, in effort to win, not minimize the loss?
Um no. The 64 teams who make the tourney are not always the best. I am not a betting man but I would bet most of the teams in the Power 5 conferences who did not make the tourney would probably beat St. Francis. Not like Uconn did but ...
HBD, you're splitting hairs here. OK, I won't argue with your take, it does have merit. You know the inference I was making here. Would you say that at that time, St. Francis was one of the best 64 teams? My take was they were not a tin can or a cupcake.
Makes me miss our dearly departed: Kia, Gabs, Z.
I agree with a lot of this but I agree more with what Plebe posted in your reply to me. Too lazy to check but I think no other team from St Francis conf made the tourney?HBD, you're splitting hairs here. OK, I won't argue with your take, it does have merit. You know the inference I was making here. There are a lot of weak teams in the bottom half of the most of the P5 conferences too (which is why they're there). Would you say that at that time, St. Francis was one of the best 64 teams? My take was they were not a tin can or a cupcake. If you don't agree, fine. I did not check to see their ranking at the time. It's really not that important.
They were 24/9 (16/2) (tied for 1st place in the North East Conf.) when they took the floor against UConn that night. 24/9 is very respectable. Most teams would be happy to finish 24/9 any year. It's not like they were a sub .500 team. I'm aware that there are several teams every year that are worthy of inclusion in the tournament that don't get in, because of automatic bids, and/or a bias to two from some members of the tournament selection committee. UConn did not pick them. They were the team the tournament put in front of them.
But my point was THIS St. Francis team WAS NOT a cup cake!!! Were they on UConn's level?, of course not. They were just glad to make to field, although they probably wish it had been against anybody else but UConn. They took one heck of a butt whuppin. No doubt the worst in school history.
I can't remember the player's name, but a few years ago, she said during a media interview (it may have been a player in the WNBA lamenting on days gone by) that during the women's selection show, her entire team (and the coaches) were eagerly waiting to see if they got in, who they played, and what region they were assigned to. She said they were ALL hoping and praying for the following:
1. To draw any team other that UConn in the first or second round.
2. Not to be assigned to UConn's region......... for obvious reasons.
3. Not to be paced on UConn's side of the bracket.
She said her team figured they had a fighting chance against everybody else. There's always that "dark horse" that shows up every year that no one sees coming until it too late, and they get you. A lot of those lower seeded teams go into the tournament figuring "Why not us? Sometimes they make it to the second weekend. Their ranking at the time is really not important. Bottom line, my main point is that it is a record that will NEVER be broken!!!
I agree with a lot of this but I agree more with what Plebe posted in your reply to me. Too lazy to check but I think no other team from St Francis conf made the tourney?
The auto bid is good and bad. What does it say that a team who won their conf is a 16 seed? It is a very weak conf.
They want the slightest chance for a 16 seed to beat a 1 seed. Same for the men's tourney. Would love to see it. Just not against Uconn.
No disrespect but most teams Uconn plays during the entire season can be considered cupcakes. Even from larger conferences.
I think this is exactly the point. The committee did NOT select St. Francis. St. Francis got in by winning a cupcake conference. Many teams that did not get in were rated much higher than St. Francis and the other cupcake conference winners.The tournament selection committee determines the field!!! I'll go by what THEY determine and sort out. St. Francis did not get in as an "At-Large" team, they got in by winning their conference.
Face it Scoop you're wrong again. St. Francis (PA) is/was a cupcake. A delicious frosted cupcake. Hell, the team practically went into a diabetic coma after that game.I began my response to you by saying I understand the crux of your comment, because as I said, it had merit, and that I couldn't argue against it, BUT.....the thought I was trying to convey was that St. Francis was not a cupcake. They finished tied for their conference championship. They were 24-9. Cupcakes don't win 20 games in a season. They usually have a sub .500 record.
I guess maybe we should define the parameters of what qualifies a team as a cupcake. I don't care about any post season ratings or rankings. Those rankings nor the services that produce them determine the field of 64. Look at some of the other teams that made the field. Some of them did not win 24 games.
The tournament selection committee determines the field!!! I'll go by what THEY determine and sort out. St. Francis did not get in as an "At-Large" team, they got in by winning their conference. That is FACT. You can't argue that. I'm not going to debate the worthiness of the teams that did or didn't make the field. I'm saying that St. Francis made the field, and I don't consider them a cupcake, even though they got their doors blown off by UConn. We're debating semantics. You see things one way, I see them another, and I see and understand your point of view. Bottom line here, they made the field! If they were not among the best 64 teams in the country at selection time, they were at least in the top 100. What their raking or rating was is not important. They made the field. That's all that matters.
The main thought behind my original comment was that 94 points UConn scored in the first half will NEVER be broken. If you want to debate something, we can debate that. Whether SF was a cupcake or not is not part of my opinion of this record not ever being broken.
Plebe added his 2 cents to OUR conversation. He went out of his way to try and discredit my comment/opinion. I don't care what he thinks, and his comments DID NOT not change my mind. I didn't ask for his opinion. He thinks SF was a cupcake, fine. Just because he thinks it was, does not make it so. I'm not interested in his opinions, nor do I read or comment on his posts. He's dead to me.
We can agree to disagree. SF was a cupcake.I began my response to you by saying I understand the crux of your comment, because as I said, it had merit, and that I couldn't argue against it, BUT.....the thought I was trying to convey was that St. Francis was not a cupcake. They finished tied for their conference championship. They were 24-9. Cupcakes don't win 20 games in a season. They usually have a sub .500 record.
I guess maybe we should define the parameters of what qualifies a team as a cupcake. I don't care about any post season ratings or rankings. Those rankings nor the services that produce them determine the field of 64. Look at some of the other teams that made the field. Some of them did not win 24 games.
The tournament selection committee determines the field!!! I'll go by what THEY determine and sort out. St. Francis did not get in as an "At-Large" team, they got in by winning their conference. That is FACT. You can't argue that. I'm not going to debate the worthiness of the teams that did or didn't make the field. I'm saying that St. Francis made the field, and I don't consider them a cupcake, even though they got their doors blown off by UConn. We're debating semantics. You see things one way, I see them another, and I see and understand your point of view. Bottom line here, they made the field! If they were not among the best 64 teams in the country at selection time, they were at least in the top 100. What their raking or rating was is not important. They made the field. That's all that matters.
The main thought behind my original comment was that 94 points UConn scored in the first half will NEVER be broken. If you want to debate something, we can debate that. Whether SF was a cupcake or not is not part of my opinion of this record not ever being broken.
Plebe added his 2 cents to OUR conversation. He went out of his way to try and discredit my comment/opinion. I don't care what he thinks, and his comments DID NOT not change my mind. I didn't ask for his opinion. He thinks SF was a cupcake, fine. Just because he thinks it was, does not make it so. I'm not interested in his opinions, nor do I read or comment on his posts. He's dead to me.