UConn in the NBA Nov 2025

[HW611]

The NBA is also largely a different game. The 3 line is further back - the spacing is different, the shot clock is shorter, the length and athleticism of the defenders is different. What helped Charlie V last a while in the nba was getting into the pros and becoming a stretch 4 at that level, not another year of playing in the paint here. Rudy needed to get into the league and be able to face the basket against NBA 3s and not college 2s, where his ball handling could be a strength. He really wasn’t all that great here - made some athletic plays around the rim, but his game blossomed more at the next level. The sooner you get in the league and start adapting your skill set at that level, the better.

Hawkins probably wasn’t going to be a better nba player by coming back. It’s difficult to argue against a hypothetical He maybe would have gotten marginally better at his weaknesses at the college level - but he’d be a year older and those weaknesses would still be weaknesses at the next level. The problem he’s having now is that his strength is a weakness.

We’ve seen this a lot over the years. We’ve had guys in that fringe NBA talent level based on recruiting rankings and college performance, who have made it or been drafted, but they had some nba flaws, their ceiling was low and it made it hard to stick - Williams, Boone, Armstrong, Adrien, Sticks, Dyson, Price, Oriakhi, Daniels, Bazz, Boat, DHam, Adams, Bouk, Sanogo, Hawkins, Jackson, Karaban, Newton. Whether they stay 2, 3 or 4 years - it’s just hard to stick at the next level. You can work on your skills - but the guys who are bigger, faster or better than you are working on theirs too.

The ones who did last: Lamb had a freakish wingspan, Drummond was freakishly athletic, Kemba was impossible to guard, Gay had guard skills in a 6-8 body, Charlie V filled a stretch 4 niche. And some guys could just score. That’s what Hawkins and Bouk needed to do to mask everything else.

Rudy and Charlie were 5*s who had the skills necessary to play in the NBA. They just needed the spacing which made them ready and made it unnecessary to be here. Don’t think they’re like the other guys we’re talking about who had skills they needed to improve.

I think the jump Lamb made with his handle and ability to score with the ball in his hands from year 1 to year 2, confidently, for sure helped him stick in the NBA. He went from a shooter to an overall scorer with that. It was the kind of leap I was hoping for from Hawkins (which is why I constantly group the two of them together).

This doesn’t take away from your overall point, but I don’t think Adrien, Price, and Bazz should be included in the didn’t stick group. Adrien and Price had a helluva run for 2nd round draft picks. They’re in the Cam category as far as guys who found a way because they were that good despite the limitations in size or athleticism. Shabazz was doing pretty good until COVID hit. They aren’t the same as a Sanogo, Newton, and Bouknight. They got real NBA minutes over the course of 4-6 years.

Other guys on your list had work ethic issues which I won’t name. But typically, you want your skills to be as well rounded as possible and in almost all of the pre-Hurley players you named cases, they were maxed out skill wise. There wasn’t much else to get better at before going.

While players like Hawkins and Andre had clear flaws and deficiencies when they left.

 

[husky429]

I do not like this topic because inevitably within 10 minutes someone will bring up the bag of money these guys get at the next level. And I understand that money is a huge factor. But to make it interesting, can we agree to table the topic of money for this conversation only?

Okay, in that case, we can all agree that UConn has a long history of sending players to the league. HOWEVER, our best NBA players have been players that, for the most part, spent at least 3 years in Storrs.

The greatest Huskies, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Emeka, Cliff Robinson, Rudy Gay, Shabbaz and Kemba all played at least 3 years with us. Clingan and Caron Butler spent 2 years at Storrs.

• The thing all these guys have in common are LONG, successful NBA careers. Each of these guys were able to stick around for contract #2, at least. Compare that with the new wave of kids that objectively leave too early: Bouk, Hawk, Andre, and most recently Liam.

Bouk has been a disaster in the NBA and there are receipts on this platform, most of us agreed he left too early (only people who disagreed were people who argued money). Same with Hawk, who has not been a reliable NBA starter because he is a one trick pony.

Andre is riding the pine, and while Liam is just starting out, his physical skillset is a dime a dozen in the NBA. His skillset is not elite when compared to other NBA players. He needed PT. Needed reps. And now, he is going to have a fat bank account, but no reps by which to improve. That has to your development.

Anyways, it frustrates me greatly because you can now get paid in college. I wish all these kids well, but in my opinion, each of those guys should have returned for more college reps.

You're making all sorts of random claims here. You say it's all about staying 3 years in college and the first two players you mention (Caron and Clingan) both played 2 years in Storrs. So is it 2 years or 3 years that is your threshold for a long UConn career?

• Bouk stayed 2 years just like Clingan. He's a mess mentally, not basketball-wise.
• Steph stayed 1 year and is poised to be the best NBA player to leave our program--ever.
• Andre stayed 3 years before leaving--meeting your criteria for a long college career--and is on his way out of the league.
• Hawkins is a 2 year guy and a bust, that much we can agree on.
• Liam it's too early to make this kind of judgment.
• Adama and Newton both had long, successful college careers and are out of the league.

 

[Palatine]

The sooner you start making millions of dollars the sooner you can put that money to work to make more money. A one or two year headstart on building that wealth ( in capable hands) becomes a nest egg that produces millions in ten years.

 

[Gurleyman]

Rudy and Charlie were 5*s who had the skills necessary to play in the NBA. They just needed the spacing which made them ready and made it unnecessary to be here. Don’t think they’re like the other guys we’re talking about who had skills they needed to improve.

I think the jump Lamb made with his handle and ability to score with the ball in his hands from year 1 to year 2, confidently, for sure helped him stick in the NBA. He went from a shooter to an overall scorer with that. It was the kind of leap I was hoping for from Hawkins (which is why I constantly group the two of them together).

This doesn’t take away from your overall point, but I don’t think Adrien, Price, and Bazz should be included in the didn’t stick group. Adrien and Price had a helluva run for 2nd round draft picks. They’re in the Cam category as far as guys who found a way because they were that good despite the limitations in size or athleticism. Shabazz was doing pretty good until COVID hit. They aren’t the same as a Sanogo, Newton, and Bouknight. They got real NBA minutes over the course of 4-6 years.

Other guys on your list had work ethic issues which I won’t name. But typically, you want your skills to be as well rounded as possible and in almost all of the pre-Hurley players you named cases, they were maxed out skill wise. There wasn’t much else to get better at before going.

While players like Hawkins and Andre had clear flaws and deficiencies when they left.

Fair on Rudy and Charlie - they just kinda didn't look the part in their time here. Most thought Charlie left too soon and were shocked he made it in the lottery. Rudy oozed potential, but had a lot of skills to work on - he shot 31 percent from three as a sophomore and his assist to turnover ratio was below 1. Not good NBA wing numbers at all. One could easily say he needed to come back and work on his shooting and his facilitating at the college level, but his biggest issue was that our paint was crowded with Boone, Hilton, Ed Nelson and Adrien, and he was guarded by smaller college guys who could get up in his grill because there were no driving lanes. Once he had more space to work with, he looked the part. But yeah - he was a top five recruit who could have been one-and-done based on potential alone.

It's splitting hairs on "sticking" - but yeah, Price, Adrien and Bazz carved out a few good years and had moments where it looked like they may play a long time in the NBA. But they were all out of the league by 27 or 28. Based on their expectations, they definitely overachieved.

Comparing Lamb and Hawkins has some layers - Lamb improved, but his efficiency went down (some of it from added responsibility of being the No. 1 option, but he shot it a little worse and his A:TO ratio fell below 1). But UConn also went from national champions to "lucky to get in as a 9 seed" and getting punked by Iowa State, while adding Drummond-Boat-Daniels, losing Kemba and increasing Bazz's role. Kemba was a generational player in terms of talent and leadership, and obviously a tough guy to lose, but the team fell off a cliff when it shouldn't have. Hawkins in year two produced more due to more minutes, but also improved his efficiency, and his team went from first round exit to national champion. He was in a role where his team could thrive, which helped both him and UConn. If he was trying to play point guard and create his own shots, we probably aren't as successful.

 

[alphasigko]

He became a much better basketball player here freshman to sophomore year.

He (and most of the other early leavers, except Steph and Donavan) would have improved even more had they stayed another year or two. Now they have their "big bucks", and are stuck in NBA limbo with playing in Europe or elsewhere as thier possible futures.

 

[Gurleyman]

He (and most of the other early leavers, except Steph and Donavan) would have improved even more had they stayed another year or two. Now they have their "big bucks", and are stuck in NBA limbo with playing in Europe or elsewhereas thier possible futures.

He just won a nattie and had nothing really left to accomplish in college. He had legit nba interest in that moment. You have to figure you maybe have 10 years to make money playing a sport if you stay reasonably healthy (of course some do last longer than that, but you can’t count on it).

Why throw one of them away?

 

[superjohn]

He (and most of the other early leavers, except Steph and Donavan) would have improved even more had they stayed another year or two. Now they have their "big bucks", and are stuck in NBA limbo with playing in Europe or elsewhereas thier possible futures.

I doubt it and he would've been crazy to come back. He shot 50% from three in the tournament and hit big shots which made him a lottery pick. He's the classic case of striking while the iron is hot. He is what he is and another year of college wouldn't have changed that. He's a high volume tough shot taker who can get hot but has never been all that accurate over the long haul.

 

[HW611]

Fair on Rudy and Charlie - they just kinda didn't look the part in their time here. Most thought Charlie left too soon and were shocked he made it in the lottery. Rudy oozed potential, but had a lot of skills to work on - he shot 31 percent from three as a sophomore and his assist to turnover ratio was below 1. Not good NBA wing numbers at all. One could easily say he needed to come back and work on his shooting and his facilitating at the college level, but his biggest issue was that our paint was crowded with Boone, Hilton, Ed Nelson and Adrien, and he was guarded by smaller college guys who could get up in his grill because there were no driving lanes. Once he had more space to work with, he looked the part. But yeah - he was a top five recruit who could have been one-and-done based on potential alone.

It's splitting hairs on "sticking" - but yeah, Price, Adrien and Bazz carved out a few good years and had moments where it looked like they may play a long time in the NBA. But they were all out of the league by 27 or 28. Based on their expectations, they definitely overachieved.

Comparing Lamb and Hawkins has some layers - Lamb improved, but his efficiency went down (some of it from added responsibility of being the No. 1 option, but he shot it a little worse and his A:TO ratio fell below 1). But UConn also went from national champions to "lucky to get in as a 9 seed" and getting punked by Iowa State, while adding Drummond-Boat-Daniels, losing Kemba and increasing Bazz's role. Kemba was a generational player in terms of talent and leadership, and obviously a tough guy to lose, but the team fell off a cliff when it shouldn't have. Hawkins in year two produced more due to more minutes, but also improved his efficiency, and his team went from first round exit to national champion. He was in a role where his team could thrive, which helped both him and UConn. If he was trying to play point guard and create his own shots, we probably aren't as successful.

Yeah I dont want to get too much into the numbers involved. I’m just looking at what skills they had specifically.

Rudy’s 3 point shooting and facilitating wasn’t up to par, but he didn’t really need those to become a high level wing scorer in the league (his 3 point shot came around because the NBA teaches that the easiest). Charlie also had the skills, just never put it together to produce like he should’ve. But they were there.

When talking about how ready Lamb was for the NBA he clearly improved skill wise even if the numbers weren’t efficient or the winning wasn’t there because of a roster that didn’t fit together. Doesn’t take away from the fact that Lamb had the skills he needed for the jump.

He developed his handle to take people off the dribble, he was a 3 level scorer, and had defensive ability, while still being a knockdown shooter the few times he was open which wasn’t much his sophomore year. From that standpoint he was fully prepared.

Hawkins did not have those skills year two. He didn’t develop his handle like Lamb did. He wasn’t a 3 level scorer as he didn’t use his midrange much and couldn’t finish at the rim. His defense did improve though.

Not having that fully rounded out game is what’s hurting him now in a way that it didn’t with Lamb. The team success was the team success and the numbers are the numbers. I’m just speaking to the skills they had to prepare them to make the leap.

I don’t think Hawkins had to play PG to show growth, Jeremy didn’t, and I’m not a believer in a player being a better comes at the cost of winning.

 

[RuffRuff]

Athough you can now practice all summer, I don't think I can be convinced a player will get better training in college than the in the pros. Stay in college if you aren't 1st round, you need to develop emotionally, or you just love school, want a chance a championship, and nil incomparable or better.

Why do I feel hw611 doesn't think there is capable coaching and training in the pros?

Ding ding. Any player destined for greatness isn't counting on their college coach to get them there. In fact, most are racing to start their NBA career. The college coach gives them the stage and gets them drafted, at that point you go on the next step of your journey. At a point your stock hits it's peak, you go and take the money. AJx coming back for his senior year? Hysterical.

These players are worth millions in a snap, can hire coaches, have coaches, should know how to work on things themselves. Do you think the greats in the NBA look back on their college coaching as what made or broke them? If you're 2-3 years into your NBA career and you haven't figured out how to fix your gaps, it's not on the friggin college coach.

 

[alphasigko]

Ding ding. Any player destined for greatness isn't counting on their college coach to get them there. In fact, most are racing to start their NBA career. The college coach gives them the stage and gets them drafted, at that point you go on the next step of your journey. At a point your stock hits it's peak, you go and take the money. AJx coming back for his senior year? Hysterical.

These players are worth millions in a snap, can hire coaches, have coaches, should know how to work on things themselves. Do you think the greats in the NBA look back on their college coaching as what made or broke them? If you're 2-3 years into your NBA career and you haven't figured out how to fix your gaps, it's not on the friggin college coach.

True that it is not on the frigging college coach. What it is, especially now with NIL $, is the opportunity to fix those weaknesses in an environment where you are better than most of your opponents and can get the playing time to do that in real high level competition.

 

[How Sway?!]

True that it is not on the frigging college coach. What it is, especially now with NIL $, is the opportunity to fix those weaknesses in an environment where you are better than most of your opponents and can get the playing time to do that in real high level competition.

What environment do you think is better to develop, the NBA or the G-league?

 

[Mazhude]

The average length of an NBA career today is 4.8 years. That's not a lot of time to prove you can make it... and many don't... regardless of what college you went to.

 

[Gurleyman]

Yeah I dont want to get too much into the numbers involved. I’m just looking at what skills they had specifically.

Rudy’s 3 point shooting and facilitating wasn’t up to par, but he didn’t really need those to become a high level wing scorer in the league (his 3 point shot came around because the NBA teaches that the easiest). Charlie also had the skills, just never put it together to produce like he should’ve. But they were there.

When talking about how ready Lamb was for the NBA he clearly improved skill wise even if the numbers weren’t efficient or the winning wasn’t there because of a roster that didn’t fit together. Doesn’t take away from the fact that Lamb had the skills he needed for the jump.

He developed his handle to take people off the dribble, he was a 3 level scorer, and had defensive ability, while still being a knockdown shooter the few times he was open which wasn’t much his sophomore year. From that standpoint he was fully prepared.

Hawkins did not have those skills year two. He didn’t develop his handle like Lamb did. He wasn’t a 3 level scorer as he didn’t use his midrange much and couldn’t finish at the rim. His defense did improve though.

Not having that fully rounded out game is what’s hurting him now in a way that it didn’t with Lamb. The team success was the team success and the numbers are the numbers. I’m just speaking to the skills they had to prepare them to make the leap.

I don’t think Hawkins had to play PG to show growth, Jeremy didn’t, and I’m not a believer in a player being a better comes at the cost of winning.

No great secret that it's a bit of a different analytics era now where the midrange is largely shunned in the NBA, and that's spilled into college. We have bought into that philosophy quite a bit in recent years - we only took one 2-point shot yesterday that wasn't in the paint. Lamb developed that trademark floater, but the analytics people now describe the floater as the worst shot in basketball, so the NBA would probably coach that right back out of him if he played today.

Not saying we should have been a contender in 2012 - but it was a rather catastrophic dropoff after losing only one player, however great that player may have been (when we had his replacement waiting as an understudy, who proved to be quite competent). If we don't beat West Virginia in overtime in the BET quarters, we might not have made it in. Lamb realistically isn't near the top of the list of reasons to blame for that - he improved from his first year to his second and took on more responsibility. But when we asked him to make the leap from Robin to Batman, which was probably good for his personal development, it was part of a broken puzzle. We saw some of the same things happen with Scott Burrell, Albert Mouring and Jerome Dyson, too. All of whom also had future first-team All-Americans and/or lottery picks in their supporting casts. Boat to some degree could be included (although that year, I think DD leaving and Purvis not really being all that Ferrarish left our talent level too thin, whereas those other seasons, we got way better the next year - going from NIT to the Top 10).

The roster didn't really fit in 2011, either. We didn't have anyone to play the 4 - our stretch fours weren't strong enough or good enough shooters (Roscoe, JCD), Olander started token minutes. We would play Okwandu and Oriakhi together. That was a mess. Oriakhi was not a good post option for a 4-out, 1-in style of play. The 2023 team didn't necessarily fit either on paper - Newton and Jackson got in each other's way on offense (neither spaced the floor well when the other had it), and Sanogo and Clingan were two of our five best players and couldn't play together.

 

[AdamaNation]

2021 transfers:

Brendan Adams > GW (17.4p, 2.9a, 38 3P%)
Josh Carlton > Houston (11.6p, 6.2r, 1.2b)
Javonte Brown > URI (8p, 6r, 1.5b)

2022 transfers:

Akok Akok > Georgetown (6.5p, 6.2r, 2b)
Rahsool Diggins > UMass (16.8p, 2.7a)
Corey Floyd > Providence (9.2p, 4.8r, 2.0a)
Jalen Gaffney > FAU (5.6p, 2.4a), Final Four team

2023 transfers:

Nahiem Alleyne > St. John's (Dated Nika Muhl)

2024 transfers

Apostolos Roumoglou > Richmond (5.4p, 5.2r)

2025 transfers:

Aidan Mahaney (UCSB; projected to start; Preseason First-Team Big West)
Ahmad Nowell (VCU; projected to star; Preseason A-10 All-Conference Third Team)
Youssouf Singare (High Point; will be one of the top mid-majors in the nation)
Isaiah Abraham (Georgetown)

Josh Carlton was 1st team aac at Houston too I believe.

 

[HW611]

True that it is not on the frigging college coach. What it is, especially now with NIL $, is the opportunity to fix those weaknesses in an environment where you are better than most of your opponents and can get the playing time to do that in real high level competition.

So college coaches just lie to players when they say they can prepare them better than anyone else.

It’s not actually their responsibility.

 

[HW611]

No great secret that it's a bit of a different analytics era now where the midrange is largely shunned in the NBA, and that's spilled into college. We have bought into that philosophy quite a bit in recent years - we only took one 2-point shot yesterday that wasn't in the paint. Lamb developed that trademark floater, but the analytics people now describe the floater as the worst shot in basketball, so the NBA would probably coach that right back out of him if he played today.

After watching how deadly that floater was as his signature move in real time why would we agree with anything suggesting it should’ve been coached out of him?

 

[CardiacAndre7]

So college coaches just lie to players when they say they can prepare them better than anyone else.

It’s not actually their responsibility.

Yeah, most of the time they do lol

 

[alphasigko]

What environment do you think is better to develop, the NBA or the G-league?

Neither. College Hoops... How well has the NBA/G-League succeeded in developing Ajax, Hawk, Boak, Adama, Newton and Tyrese. Of all of these, perhaps Tyrese has progressed the most. Cam did well in G-League and NBA and now has an extended contract in Memphis. 2 out of 7. Not really a good record.

 

[Dibbie]

Back to back sloppy turnovers for Steph

 

[superjohn]

Cam is the man. 19 points tonight.

 

[Gurleyman]

Cam is the man. 19 points tonight.

Actually. Shabazz is the man. Shabazz is the man. Shabazz.

 

[Gurleyman]

After watching how deadly that floater was as his signature move in real time why would we agree with anything suggesting it should’ve been coached out of him?

I’m not saying I agree with it or don’t agree with it. I’m just saying that’s the way it is these days. Nobody in important decision making roles at that level thinks “tough twos” are deadly. They want you to drive at people and get to the rim and force fouls or swing it to three-point shooters and relocate. If all else fails, take a tough two, but that can’t be your bread and butter.

That’s the way we’ve done it the last few years. If you look at our shot charts there aren’t a lot of dots between the paint and the three-point line.

 

[husky429]

Funny game for Steph. Ended up with a solod 16/8/5. 9/11 from the charity stripe and 3 steals.

But 3/11 from the field and 1/5 from deep

 

[dennismenace]

I love this guy. Getting the start with Ja's suspension.

Cam is just in another dimension. He brings such energy and excitement. I was getting the same vibe from Cam Skattebo until the severe injury. I can hardly believe he wound up on of all teams the hapless NY Giants. Just when a ray of light was shining on the team that the latest model of the Mara family was running into the ground. I'll be looking to the future for the dual overhead Cams to brighten my days.
There's always hope when you have a Cam.

 

[REB1094]

Tyrese had 27 minutes off the bench. Played great, 16 points on 6-11 (4-7 from three), 5 rebounds. Cam Thomas got injured early so maybe more minutes for Tyrese in the near term

Drummond 28 minutes off the bench, also played great. 13 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks on 6-7 shooting

Cam had 19 minutes off the bench. 19 points (lol) on 5/10 shooting (5-9 3P).

Hawkins had 19 minutes off the bench. 9 points on 4-13, 2 rebounds, 2 steals

Clingan had 7 points on 2-7 (1-4 from three), 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks. He’s struggled a few games in a row now, not sure what’s going on

Castle had a strange line as someone mentioned before. 16 points, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 9-11 (82%) on his FTs. But also 3-11 FG, 1-4 3P, 6 turnovers. Game should have gone to OT but Julian Champagnie (90% FT shooter last season) choked 2 FTs with 0.2s left. Spurs lose by 2

 

[Mr. French]

Cam is just in another dimension. He brings such energy and excitement. I was getting the same vibe from Cam Skattebo until the severe injury. I can hardly believe he wound up on of all teams the hapless NY Giants. Just when a ray of light was shining on the team that the latest model of the Mara family was running into the ground. I'll be looking to the future for the dual overhead Cams to brighten my days.
There's always hope when you have a Cam.

Plus I just bought a new Nikon. Cams are 3 for 3!

 

[Chuck]

Tyrese had 27 minutes off the bench. Played great, 16 points on 6-11 (4-7 from three), 5 rebounds. Cam Thomas got injured early so maybe more minutes for Tyrese in the near term

I've been tracking Tyrese. I always feel for those guys that work hard and keep getting better, but don't get a chance because they don't have the same potential as some lazy guy that has more natural athleticism. Tyrese is one of those guys. He produces more times than he doesn't. So happy to see him get his time in the NBA.

But Nets fans seem to hate him. Loser fans from a loser franchise don't seem to realize you need to match guys like him with stars. They went nowhere with their Big 3 because their Big 3 had huge egos and they didn't have solid players to make a complete team. Maybe he'll get thrown in to a 3 way trade or something to help a contender.

 

[ctbro1999]

Castle had a strange line as someone mentioned before. 16 points, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 9-11 (82%) on his FTs. But also 3-11 FG, 1-4 3P, 6 turnovers. Game should have gone to OT but Julian Champagnie (90% FT shooter last season) choked 2 FTs with 0.2s left. Spurs lose by 2

Castle going through some growing pains serving as the primary ball handler. I think he's best suited as a combo guard. Fox can't come back soon enough.

Who was primarily guarding Luka last night? He scored 35 but he shot pretty poorly.

 

[RuffRuff]

I've been tracking Tyrese. I always feel for those guys that work hard and keep getting better, but don't get a chance because they don't have the same potential as some lazy guy that has more natural athleticism. Tyrese is one of those guys. He produces more times than he doesn't. So happy to see him get his time in the NBA.

But Nets fans seem to hate him. Loser fans from a loser franchise don't seem to realize you need to match guys like him with stars. They went nowhere with their Big 3 because their Big 3 had huge egos and they didn't have solid players to make a complete team. Maybe he'll get thrown in to a 3 way trade or something to help a contender.

Total waste of a franchise. If anything, would hope owners sell and get them out of BK. Having a team there sounded cool when BK was all hip, but it just doesn't work. Let some up & coming city (like a Nashville) have a franchise fans will appreciate and owners will invest in. Barclay's roof is one giant succulent garden - bizarre but so BK.

 

[REB1094]

I've been tracking Tyrese. I always feel for those guys that work hard and keep getting better, but don't get a chance because they don't have the same potential as some lazy guy that has more natural athleticism. Tyrese is one of those guys. He produces more times than he doesn't. So happy to see him get his time in the NBA.

But Nets fans seem to hate him. Loser fans from a loser franchise don't seem to realize you need to match guys like him with stars. They went nowhere with their Big 3 because their Big 3 had huge egos and they didn't have solid players to make a complete team. Maybe he'll get thrown in to a 3 way trade or something to help a contender.

Hit a dagger three last night too. I think Tyrese is actually the perfect mold for an NBA role player. Relatively young, very scrappy, good shooter, athletic 6’6. He should stick around the league for a while if he keeps it up. A very feel-good story