Uconn in CR

[upstater]

there you go. attendance to home games is a measure of programs.

I put Tennessee in the top tier. I actually wrote that Boise might not make my top tier.

Why is it this thread is so full of totally off-tangent remarks?

 

[woomba]

What that told me is that the perception of Indiana is bottom-tier, and though the perception of UConn was not much better (at the time) the majority of people thought it wasn't a surprise at all that Uconn could so thoroughly dominate bottom-tier B1G team.

You think the perception of UConn FB is better now than it was 5-6 years ago? I would say it's about the same - or perhaps a bit lower after Edsall left.

 

[whaler11]

Again with the made-up arguments. Boneyard conventional wisdom since December has been exactly the opposite of what you state. Almost everyone here says Louisville got in over UConn BECAUSE of their football. Bizarre that you would portray many as saying otherwise.

In this thread is the argument not that there is little difference between the football programs. Do you need me to quote a dozen posts?

 

[whaler11]

For all the ballwashing of Jurich - and I do like him a lot - a very simple answer for why we aren't in the ACC is Teddy Bridgewater.

If that little Doug Flutie wannabe runt is under center last year - or even a moderately better version of Flutie runt - than Louisville finishes with 6 wins maybe 7. You could fill the seats all you want and you can value football all you want but the ACC isn't taking a 6 win Louisville over a 5 win UConn. Louisville is a putrid school academically, the greatness of Teddy Bridgewater is what got the ACC to close their eyes and let them in while letting go of their uppity academic standards.

Just as with many things here, things aligned perfectly for Louisville. If Shannon isnt' fired from Miami, Bridgewater doesn't play a snap for the Cards and UConn is in the ACC.

Things didn't perfectly align for Louisville. They were on the cusp of being left out and they shaped the debate.

Louisville is committed to football. When UConn had the chance to prove their commitment they hired P. UConn let their opportunity slip through their fingers, Teddy Bridgewater isn't why UConn's season ticket base has eroded consistently since 2003.

UConn's conference realignment debacle is on UConn - it's not because Louisville has a good quarterback.

 

[upstater]

In this thread is the argument not that there is little difference between the football programs. Do you need me to quote a dozen posts?

You started misquoting from my very first post which stated that Louisville is a middling program that could hardly have stabilized the ACC. After that, you said what does that say about UConn? Someone joked that it said UConn beat a middling program in its best year. From then on, you've been going on about how people believe UConn is on equal footing. Just because both are middling doesn't mean they're equal. The consensus on this board for many months has been that Ville got in because they have better football. Case closed. At the same time, it's perfectly reasonable to argue that their football prowess is hyped up and not at all what the ACC believes it's buying.

I quoted a prominent ACC writer last week who put Louisville ahead of West Virginia! Makes me wonder what people are looking at.

 

[upstater]

You think the perception of UConn FB is better now than it was 5-6 years ago? I would say it's about the same - or perhaps a bit lower after Edsall left.

Check when UConn played Indiana. It was several years ago--as I wrote. UConn hadn't beaten ND at South bend at the time, hadn't won a bowl game against South Carolina, hadn't sent a great number of kids to the NFL draft, it didn't have multiple wins against Big12, B1G, SEC, ACC teams, etc.

A lot has happened since then. The perception is a lot better.

 

[whaler11]

Louisville didn't help stabilize the ACC but Clemson and FSU have agreed to GORs after their addition? Louisville went off the board for the Big 12. It's tougher to flip 2 schools than 1.

Louisville walks in day 1 as a program jn the top half of the league. They probably have the most forward momentum in the league.

There is a very real difference in the programs and the perception between the two is even greater. That UConn is 4-4 against them recently is nice, but in the middle of the weekend where Louisville kicked UConn in the nuts and took the last spot, UConn pulled a 3 rating in the Hartford DMA for a road football team against a top 25 team. When you can't get more than 30k homes to watch your games in your own DMA there isn't much to complain about when the public perception is against you.

 

[upstater]

Louisville didn't help stabilize the ACC but Clemson and FSU have agreed to GORs after their addition? Louisville went off the board for the Big 12. It's tougher to flip 2 schools than 1.

Louisville walks in day 1 as a program jn the top half of the league. They probably have the most forward momentum in the league.

There is a very real difference in the programs and the perception between the two is even greater. That UConn is 4-4 against them recently is nice, but in the middle of the weekend where Louisville kicked UConn in the nuts and took the last spot, UConn pulled a 3 rating in the Hartford DMA for a road football team against a top 25 team. When you can't get more than 30k homes to watch your games in your own DMA there isn't much to complain about when the public perception is against you.

Maryland leaving = GORs.

Let's be real. Come on, FSU wanted to lock down Virginia and North Carolina, not to mention Virginia Tech and NC State.

FSU and Clemson are looking at the best other football teams being poached by the SEC and the B1G while they're staring straight in the face at road games in Ames, Iowa; Manhattan, Kansas; Stillwater, OK.

And you ask about GOR?

The rest of your argument simply reinforces the way you repeatedly miscontrue what I wrote, so why argue Ville is a beter football program than UConn?

It's bizarre. No matter how many times someone says the opposite, you continue in that fashion. You set up imaginary strawmen in your head, and then you display your arguments with them on the board.

 

[Marty Jackson]

I put Tennessee in the top tier. I actually wrote that Boise might not make my top tier.

Why is it this thread is so full of totally off-tangent remarks?

if boise after all the big time wins against the top of the top programs in BCS games can't make your top list, then what we are even arguing about UConn for?

 

[Marty Jackson]

Louisville didn't help stabilize the ACC but Clemson and FSU have agreed to GORs after their addition? Louisville went off the board for the Big 12. It's tougher to flip 2 schools than 1.

Louisville walks in day 1 as a program jn the top half of the league. They probably have the most forward momentum in the league.

There is a very real difference in the programs and the perception between the two is even greater. That UConn is 4-4 against them recently is nice, but in the middle of the weekend where Louisville kicked UConn in the nuts and took the last spot, UConn pulled a 3 rating in the Hartford DMA for a road football team against a top 25 team. When you can't get more than 30k homes to watch your games in your own DMA there isn't much to complain about when the public perception is against you.

it's a proven fact that CT is a fair-weather fan state. If there is nothing on the line, fans become apathetic very quickly.
Yes a bowl game was on the line, but that doesn't really matter.
Had the game been the difference between winning the BE and going to a BCS game or not, the fans and ratings would have been very different.
UConn's fate, despite the actual finality of missing a bowl game was sealed and the fans knew it.

 

[whaler11]

Maryland leaving = GORs.

Let's be real. Come on, FSU wanted to lock down Virginia and North Carolina, not to mention Virginia Tech and NC State.

FSU and Clemson are looking at the best other football teams being poached by the SEC and the B1G while they're staring straight in the face at road games in Ames, Iowa; Manhattan, Kansas; Stillwater, OK.

And you ask about GOR?

The rest of your argument simply reinforces the way you repeatedly miscontrue what I wrote, so why argue Ville is a beter football program than UConn?

It's bizarre. No matter how many times someone says the opposite, you continue in that fashion. You set up imaginary strawmen in your head, and then you display your arguments with them on the board.

Upstater is Louisville a better football program than Connecticut? Don't use the same word to describe them and then tell me you view them differently this time. Just answer the question.

 

[whaler11]

it's a proven fact that CT is a fair-weather fan state. If there is nothing on the line, fans become apathetic very quickly.
Yes a bowl game was on the line, but that doesn't really matter.
Had the game been the difference between winning the BE and going to a BCS game or not, the fans and ratings would have been very different.
UConn's fate, despite the actual finality of missing a bowl game was sealed and the fans knew it.

We are world class with excuses.

Gee I wonder how we ended up in the AAC? It's no one's fault but the schools and the 'fan base', but we'll have dozens of threads a month where people embrace being victims.

 

[The Funster]

I liked this thread better when we were talking about goats.

How about this:

Conference commishes filmed in compromising positions with goats (male and female) while cross dressing and singing show tunes.

 

[woomba]

Check when UConn played Indiana. It was several years ago--as I wrote. UConn hadn't beaten ND at South bend at the time, hadn't won a bowl game against South Carolina, hadn't sent a great number of kids to the NFL draft, it didn't have multiple wins against Big12, B1G, SEC, ACC teams, etc.

A lot has happened since then. The perception is a lot better.

Most of that success is attributed to Edsall - especially after seeing UConn struggle the past 2 years. In terms of program perception I don't think UConn has moved all that much.

It's similar to Cincinnati situation's where most of the success was attributed to Brian Kelly's coaching and once he left for ND Cincinnati went back to not being regarded any better than before.

 

[woomba]

it's a proven fact that CT is a fair-weather fan state. If there is nothing on the line, fans become apathetic very quickly.
Yes a bowl game was on the line, but that doesn't really matter.
Had the game been the difference between winning the BE and going to a BCS game or not, the fans and ratings would have been very different.
UConn's fate, despite the actual finality of missing a bowl game was sealed and the fans knew it.

There's a ranking made by some sports marketing professors at Emory that argue similarly: https://blogs.emory.edu/sportsmarketing/category/big-east/

This is ranking Basketball but basically they try to quantify how much support there is for a program controlling for wins - basically how "fair weather" a fan-base is.

 

[hthusky74]

And your post is in response to what?

Mostly concurring with Marty Jackson that Tenn is a top tier program and Boise St. is not. No need to waffle about it.

 

[huskymedic]

I liked this thread better when we were talking about goats.

How about this:

Conference commishes filmed in compromising positions with goats (male and female) while cross dressing and singing show tunes.

Dare to watch and not laugh at least once...

 

[Srqhusky]

Hitting double digit wins gets you noticed like a chick with a white shirt and big tits. We never accomplished that when we had to. Re has just as much responsibility for where we are as the current coach

 

[CL82]

This type of ridiculous thinking is why Louisville is in the ACC and UConn is in the AAC.

If you can't see the difference in how Louisville approached football and how UConn approaches football you are lost.

One of them has shown that they value it. The other one makes you wonder if they wouldn't just prefer to quit and call it a day.

Whaler I know that you love being contrarian on this board, but that last sentence is a pretty huge reach wouldn't you say? UConn has supported football very, very well and exclusive of stadium size can match up well against the facilities of any other university.

 

[CL82]

Dare to watch and not laugh at least once...

Lost that bet inside of 20 seconds

 

[whaler11]

Whaler I know that you love being contrarian on this board, but that last sentence is a pretty huge reach wouldn't you say? UConn has supported football very, very well and exclusive of stadium size can match up well against the facilities of any other university.

Maybe.

They hired and continue to employ Pasqualoni. Have sat idly by while season ticket sales have dwindled. Still pay assistants less than comparable schools. Put on an embarrassment of a Spring Game this year. Haven't had the stomach to be more flexible on academics for potential athletes. Have almost literally no presence on social media. While the rest of the world has been aggressive looking for new conference affiliations, UConn continued to try and save the Big East and watched Louisville eat their lunch.

So maybe it's a huge reach, but maybe it isn't.

 

[upstater]

Mostly concurring with Marty Jackson that Tenn is a top tier program and Boise St. is not. No need to waffle about it.

Totally irrelevant to the discussion, since I put Tennessee in the top tier.

 

[upstater]

There's a ranking made by some sports marketing professors at Emory that argue similarly: https://blogs.emory.edu/sportsmarketing/category/big-east/

This is ranking Basketball but basically they try to quantify how much support there is for a program controlling for wins - basically how "fair weather" a fan-base is.

I was there in the mid 1980s when UConn was losing and the Civic Center was packed and fans were loud and out of their minds. The UConn Huskies had the most interest of any team in the nation when it came to beat reporters, and the contingent of media became known as the Horde. It doesn't matter what some jackass from Emory thinks.

 

[upstater]

if boise after all the big time wins against the top of the top programs in BCS games can't make your top list, then what we are even arguing about UConn for?

We're not arguing about UConn in the top tier. What in heavens are you talking about?

 

[upstater]

Upstater is Louisville a better football program than Connecticut? Don't use the same word to describe them and then tell me you view them differently this time. Just answer the question.

It's obvious you can't read words.