UCF might not be a huge draw...

[whaler11]

 

[uconnbill]

Still a ranked team and UConn is playing for the COnflict Trophy

 

[whaler11]

Things are dire at Minnesota. Multiple articles about how they can’t sell tickets this week and now this:

Red Baron Promotion - University of Minnesota Athletics

That’s with a brand new ridiculous stadium.

 

[Adios]

Meanwhile, in Lincoln, NE, the sellout streak continues.

 

[whaler11]

Meanwhile, in Lincoln, NE, the sellout streak continues.

Yeah there are some exceptions still. But weeks out you can get Nebraska tickets for $40. Gameday that means half.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

The live experience just ain't what it used to be.

Went to Yankee Stadium last night, got in line to get in around 645 and didn't get to my seats until 720 due to security.

I understand the need for security, especially in NY, but tweedle dee and tweedle dum poking a flashlight for 10 minutes through a mother's diaper bag accomplishes what?

 

[Nostical]

That could be an ominous trend if it foreshadows that those programs which aren’t historically super football feverish can’t rely on winning or new facilities to improve attendance. It could embolden those pesky accounting types who want us to save money by deemphasizing the sport.

 

[Exit 4]

I keep saying this, but in all parts of this country demographics are changing quickly. I just got back from a long trip to Wyoming and the amount of Asia and Asian-Indian tourists was astounding in cowboy country. Many looked like new Americans out to see the country and not groups on planned international tours. I encountered more Asians on hikes than I have ever encountered at live college sports. It continues to be the case that many new large ethnic groups in this country are not valuing the live sports experience. Yes, they may consume the tv version and clothing, but I don’t see them at the stadiums. Sports departments are not reaching these people.

This is not the only issue, but it is one part of the story.

 

[noeynox]

This isn't complicated. Anything less than P5 is seen as less than by fans everywhere.

 

[Exit 4]

This isn't complicated. Anything less than P5 is seen as less than by fans everywhere.

Did you see the story on MN football today?

 

[Adios]

I keep saying this, but in all parts of this country demographics are changing quickly. I just got back from a long trip to Wyoming and the amount of Asia and Asian-Indian tourists was astounding in cowboy country. Many looked like new Americans out to see the country and not groups on planned international tours. I encountered more Asians on hikes than I have ever encountered at live college sports. It continues to be the case that many new large ethnic groups in this country are not valuing the live sports experience. Yes, they may consume the tv version and clothing, but I don’t see them at the stadiums. Sports departments are not reaching these people.

This is not the only issue, but it is one part of the story.

Their kids, especially those who are born here, are the ones who would be Americans.

My parents are from south Asia. Came here in the very early 70s. Was born before 75. As you can see, I waste plenty of time on sports and go to plenty of games.

Some immigrants do follow the sporting scene here. Attending games tends to be a different story for obvious reasons.

A cousin and I were at the first game at the Rent.

 

[huskymedic]

This isn't complicated. Anything less than P5 is seen as less than by fans everywhere.

It’s P5 too... UF football season ticket sales sag despite Dan Mullen's effort to sell Gators

>>In the age of high-definition television, social media and increasing creature comforts, fans have to weigh the benefits of the live, game-day experience. Some also would rather avoid the hassle of parking, the cost of concessions and the lack of comfort sitting in close quarters on metal bleachers.<<

 

[Exit 4]

Their kids, especially those who are born here, are the ones who would be Americans.

My parents are from south Asia. Came here in the very early 70s. Was born before 75. As you can see, I waste plenty of time on sports and go to plenty of games.

Some immigrants do follow the sporting scene here. Attending games tends to be a different story for obvious reasons.

A cousin and I were at the first game at the Rent.

My point is that the demographics at live sports does not match the country and that chasm seems to be growing.

 

[Pudge]

The Contra
Massive increased revenue in Universities picking up Football. The point is ... will attendance and TV revenue continue & grow

27 Programs have been started in the last 25 years. Only two majors (?) - Pacifuc & Long Beach State - have dropped Football. (Unless you count Northeast programs at Hofstra and Northeastern notable yet FCS)

Faster Expansion than any Sport.

These Universities see Foootball as the Brand that promotes their success. The 27 include the Fastest growing. The new Demographics. The significant growth in academic ratings. Etc.


Liberty University - the Poster Child


Turner Gill

13,900 enrollment

19,200 seats capacity

1st year FBS transition

30 years FCS

2019

$45M (2017) Total revenue

Largest budget in FCS. Twice as large as North Dakota State the consecutive FCS power. Spent $300m since 2012 on Football



UMass


Mark Whipple

29,300 enrollment

17,000 seat capacity

About 7 years FBS

2012

Yankee Conference

$48M (2017) Total revenue


UCF


Josh Heupel

63,000 enrollment

44,400 seat capacity

Football started in about 1980. FBS since 1996

$56M (2017) Total revenue


USF


Charlie Strong

50,577 enrollment

65,800 seat capacity

FBS since 2001

$50M (2017) Total revenue


UConn


Randy Edsall

32,000 enrollment

40,600 seat capacity

FBS started in 2000

$83M (2016-2017) Total revenue


Boise State


Bryan Harsin

22,250 enrollment

36,400 seat capacity

FBS since 1996

$45.5M (2017) Total revenue


Buffalo


Lance Leopold

29,850 enrollment

25,000 seat capacity

FBS since around 1999

$35.9M (2017) Total revenue

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Florida Atlantic

2006

$34.5M (2017)

Florida International

2006

$33.4M (2017)

Middle Tennessee

1999

$34M (2017)

Old Dominion

2014

$46.2M (2017)

Western Kentucky

2009

$30.4M (2017)

Charlotte

2015

$37.9M (2017)

UTSA

2012

$28.8M (2017)

Appalachian State

2014

$35.1M (2017)

UAB

1999*

$24.8M (2017)

Troy

2002

$30M (2017)

Georgia Southern

2014

$28.9M (2017)

Georgia State

2013

$30.2M (2017)

Coastal Carolina

2017

$33.7M (2017)

Arkansas State

1992

$39.5M (2017)

South Alabama

2012

$30.7M (2017)

Texas State

2012

$38.4M (2017)



Louisville

1994

$120.4M (2017) Total revenue

Marshall

1997

$29.3M (2017)

Nevada

1992

$37M

North Texas

1995

$32.2M (2017)




Idaho

Dropped to FCS in 2018


Pacific

1995

Long Beach State

1991


9 states and DC do not have a FBS program today

-/————————

Revenue

Largest
P5 total revenue
$214 M Texas


#30 ranking

Arizona State $101M


Last P5

Washington State $64.2M

 

[Adios]

My point is that the demographics at live sports does not match the country and that chasm seems to be growing.

Like I said, their kids will and do go to games.

Their parents are into stuff like cricket, etc.

 

[Adios]

My point is that the demographics at live sports does not match the country and that chasm seems to be growing.

A reason immigrants don't care much for sporting events is because the events are usually also social events and they won't fit in.

Quite difficult to market around that. Thats why there's stuff like Latin American nights.

 

[Exit 4]

Like I said, their kids will and do go to games.

Their parents are into stuff like cricket, etc.

Thats a good business plan. Ignore people and bet on the kids. FWIW I have a mixed race house hold and my other side is all second generation Chinese. They like pro sports, no interest in college sports even though everyone of them graduated from college (over 10 cousins). And of the pro sports, they only like basketball. They watch pro football, but the passion is low. Very limited interest in baseball and none in hockey. College sports? Hard pass and I don't know why.

 

[Exit 4]

The reason immigrants don't care much for sporting events is because the events are usually also social events and they won't fit in.

Ah, now you are getting it. And so that is my point about reaching out to other markets and marketing the product. Right now college sports predominately sells "frat environment" and that doesn't appeal to all. I'm not a marketing wizard, so I'll leave the problem solving to others. Its just my observation that there is no effort to appeal to other groups other than the usuals.

 

[Adios]

Thats a good business plan. Ignore people and bet on the kids. FWIW I have a mixed race house hold and my other side is all second generation Chinese. They like pro sports, no interest in college sports even though everyone of them graduated from college (over 10 cousins). And of the pro sports, they only like basketball. The watch pro football, but the passion is low. Very limited interest in baseball and none in hockey. College sports? Hard pass and I don't know why.

I wasnt discussing any plan. Just stating basic sociological facts.

My family certainly has a passion for sports, at least some of us.

It's very difficult to market a hobby like spectator sports. Almost requires a "natural"/conditioned interest. Cultures do play a huge role, as well.

 

[Adios]

Ah, now you are getting it. And so that is my point about reaching out to other markets and marketing the product. Right now college sports predominately sells "frat environment" and that does appeal to all. I'm not a marketing wizard, so I'll leave the problem solving to others. Its just my observation that there is no effort to appeal to other groups other than the usuals.

It's almost impossible to work around the college party atmosphere at college games. I go to watch games, personally.

 

[Adios]

It’s P5 too... UF football season ticket sales sag despite Dan Mullen's effort to sell Gators

>>In the age of high-definition television, social media and increasing creature comforts, fans have to weigh the benefits of the live, game-day experience. Some also would rather avoid the hassle of parking, the cost of concessions and the lack of comfort sitting in close quarters on metal bleachers.<<

Uh oh. Now college stadiums are competing against recliners.

We've become bums.

 

[Scrutineer]

Things are dire at Minnesota. Multiple articles about how they can’t sell tickets this week and now this:

Red Baron Promotion - University of Minnesota Athletics

That’s with a brand new ridiculous stadium.

Yeah, but look at the small print. The pizzas are $99.99 each.

 

[SonsOfNutmeg]

Things are dire at Minnesota. Multiple articles about how they can’t sell tickets this week and now this:

Red Baron Promotion - University of Minnesota Athletics

That’s with a brand new ridiculous stadium.

Keep "ROWing" the Boat Minnesota! LOL

 

[BugsyCT]

I went to the US Women's soccer doubleheader at the Rent last month (USA vs. Australia, Japan vs. Brazil). Very diverse crowd but that's soccer. American football - not so much.

 

[whaler11]

Ah, now you are getting it. And so that is my point about reaching out to other markets and marketing the product. Right now college sports predominately sells "frat environment" and that doesn't appeal to all. I'm not a marketing wizard, so I'll leave the problem solving to others. Its just my observation that there is no effort to appeal to other groups other than the usuals.

If there is anyone around who used to read Kyle Whelliston, I’m starting to think he was right, his observations were just 15 years early.

The bubble is going to pop and it’s going to be ugly.