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Of course they are probably better on offense next year. They were last this year. They might to better by just showing up.

I didn't want to be the one to type this first, so thank you.

Honestly, how does a team NOT get better than no first quarter touchdowns, 14 straight quarters without a touchdown, and two shutout losses in a row? I would certainly hope we're going to get better, or else my whiskey therapy is going to increase in frequency...
 
I can see the offense doubling their production next year! The O line is bringing back some good people.

1. That's an impressively ow bar to clear.

2. Good people who are among the worst in the country at their positions.
 
1. That's an impressively ow bar to clear.

2. Good people who are among the worst in the country at their positions.

Let me say this; I'll show off some of my optimistic spirit by saying that I hope De George and Leone are as good as advertised and can fit in right away, along with a healthy Hopkins and an improved Rutherford, Vechery, etc. I do believe that we have players here that could form a decent line.

But do I have even one iota of faith in the O-LINE coach at this point??? Good God, the guy has made the line progressively worse every year!

The quickest way to fixing the line is fixing the person responsible for the line...
 
Let me say this; I'll show off some of my optimistic spirit by saying that I hope De George and Leone are as good as advertised and can fit in right away, along with a healthy Hopkins and an improved Rutherford, Vechery, etc. I do believe that we have players here that could form a decent line.

But do I have even one iota of faith in the O-LINE coach at this point??? Good God, the guy has made the line progressively worse every year!

The quickest way to fixing the line is fixing the person responsible for the line...
I actually think the oline was better this year than the past few years. Pretty low bar to pass, but I thought they were simply below average, as opposed to dreadful, this year.
 
Probably about as much hypothetical conjecture as those who trash next years team with not one bit of logic behind it.
WAY OVER Confident Carl...No personal attack as I realize your a fan but you have to read what you print some times. As for hypothetical conjecture you are the master. Reading many of your posts leads me believe if you were sent to prison for oh say a simple 10 years it would be a wonderful thing because the diet would keep your cholesterol down.
NOBODY here is attacking next years team or doubting there is talent on board. It's the the wacky leadership displayed with a team this year that was projected to be better than last years by that leader. I have to say from what I have read by most here that other than a few most are not being optimistic nor pessimistic but rather realistic! You can have all the high hopes in the world for the team but if Wacky Bob is at the helm 11 young men take the field at a disadvantage. Recruits and parents are already seeing it sad to say.
Again no attack but how about an explanation of what you think at this time will be different next year? Will we have punt catchers or returners? As he has claimed wanting to play NE style football will we have a fullback or receivers out of position trying to block for our 170# RB? Will special teams actually be special because some of the starters play on them rather than the everybody will play mentality? Will stunting or blitzing be part of the game rather than giving opposing QB's enough time to send a text before throwing the ball? How is the recruiting going? I could go on but I'll invoke the mercy rule myself.

We can fit our entire recruiting class in a Dodge Caravan.. that itself should get this man fired... oh and the 3 years of awful football
Been avoiding the topic as it simply is rock bottom but maybe Carl has the bright side of this one....:confused: Head bang
 
I actually think the oline was better this year than the past few years. Pretty low bar to pass, but I thought they were simply below average, as opposed to dreadful, this year.

And yet we ranked #118 in sacks allowed while having two QBs that are relatively elusive. Any development you sensed in the line is likely due to Newsome being an absolute stud and Shirreffs being an absolute warrior...
 
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And yet we ranked #118 in sacks allowed while having two QBs that are relatively elusive. Any development you sensed in the line is likely due to Newsome being an absolute stud and Shirreffs being an absolute warrior...
Totally agree.....had the OLine been any good, Newsome easily is a 1,000+ yard rusher, Sherriffs stays healthy (and upright), Williams keeps his red-shirt, and this team at the very least is. 500 and bowl eligible. There's a reason none of those things happened. Most of us know the cause, except those that have to power to stop the bleeding. It's time to stop putting bandaids on bullet holes.

I'm tired of people saying this team doesn't have talent. UConn is NEVER getting elite talent. We have to make due with what we do get. You do that by hiring a coach that can motivate kids to play above their recruiting rank. If you want to be physical. Commit to it!!! You have to teach that way. Prepare that way. Train the way. Coach that way. Play that way. Enough with the endless drivel from the head coach, and the pats on the back for good effort. The culture has to change, in all phases of the game.
 
Of course they are probably better on offense next year. They were last this year. They might to better by just showing up.

I didn't think about that. It's impossible for them to get worse on offense when they are already last in the country.

So there's that.
 
I've had a couple of post in the past where I quoted Bum Phillips who said, "He can take 'hisuns' and beat 'yoursuns' and he could take 'yoursuns' and beat 'hisuns'. I think he was referring to Tom Landry. Think of that when you think of what good coaching should look like. So while the OL was bad, nothing seemed to improve them or keep them from being exposed. The OL was bad the last three games of 2013 too. Yet, they put up a lot of points and started to believe. Can anyone say they BD did not lose the team this year? This was a team that could have beaten Navy. If they played them today today, what would the point spread be? 30, 40?
It's time to move on. If we are stuck with him, I hope I'm proven wrong. But remember how it felt watching the Maine game where all that optimism built up in the off season, just dissipated.
 
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And yet we ranked #118 in sacks allowed while having two QBs that are relatively elusive. Any development you sensed in the line is likely due to Newsome being an absolute stud and Shirreffs being an absolute warrior...
I would respectively disagree. The oline pass blocking was definitely better this year over last year to my eyes although arguably the run blocking was worse. More and more teams rush anywhere between 5 and 7 players on every play because they know that we are very slow to throw the ball ( quarterback with a slow release and offense strategy that doesn't appear to provide our quarterback dump off pass option when the primary receiver is covered may explain this). Pass blocking depends on everyone playing well not just the 5 offensive lineman. I watched Houston play at least 7 times this year and their o-line is no great shakes. The difference though is Ward is very elusive and was able to run away from the pass rush and then find a open receivers down field even though he was running for his life. Shirreffs on the other hand wasn't nearly elusive as Ward but more importantly did not throw very well on the run. Further, our wide receivers were no where near fast Houston's wide receivers and as such Sherriffs probably didn't have as many open targets as Ward did. I am not arguing that our oline doesn't need to improve a great deal for this program to get better but I think its unfair to point to the statistics and blame just the lack of improvement in the oline. A lack of a real OC doesn't help either. I am, however, in no way defending any of the coaches here. It appears that UConn football program has made 2 bad hires in a row for their head coach.
 
I know when I saw DW sail his third easy pass into the bench against Tulane, I was thinking Heisman.
 
If someone wants to step up and write, they can. But you're going to age faster.
 
I would respectively disagree. The oline pass blocking was definitely better this year over last year to my eyes although arguably the run blocking was worse. More and more teams rush anywhere between 5 and 7 players on every play because they know that we are very slow to throw the ball ( quarterback with a slow release and offense strategy that doesn't appear to provide our quarterback dump off pass option when the primary receiver is covered may explain this). Pass blocking depends on everyone playing well not just the 5 offensive lineman. I watched Houston play at least 7 times this year and their o-line is no great shakes. The difference though is Ward is very elusive and was able to run away from the pass rush and then find a open receivers down field even though he was running for his life. Shirreffs on the other hand wasn't nearly elusive as Ward but more importantly did not throw very well on the run. Further, our wide receivers were no where near fast Houston's wide receivers and as such Sherriffs probably didn't have as many open targets as Ward did. I am not arguing that our oline doesn't need to improve a great deal for this program to get better but I think its unfair to point to the statistics and blame just the lack of improvement in the oline. A lack of a real OC doesn't help either. I am, however, in no way defending any of the coaches here. It appears that UConn football program has made 2 bad hires in a row for their head coach.

I respect that you disagreed respectfully. ;) What I will say is that the number of sacks don't line up with improved pass blocking. They just don't. You only take sacks when you're passing, and we were almost the worst in the country. And as you mentioned, the run blocking was not better either.

When you have a relatively veteran line like we did this year, and they haven't improved over the last three years of coaching, one has to deduce that the primary problem is the coaching...
 
Yeah 0-12. That is how bad this situation is. I choose to realize the school needs to replace the coach immediately. You can choose to ignore reality.

Don't worry Linus. I'm sure the Great Pumpkin will show up this year.

Being positive about nonsense is part of what got us here. Why don't we do it the right way going forward and be honest about what we have.

Hope and faith is not a strategy.

I agree that we're terrible, but if we can't beat Holy Cross and at least go 1-11 I will never go back to a uconn football game
 
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To say we can never get elite talent is ridiculous. We almost had Aaron Hernandez. Alaska-Anchorage almost had some elite homegrown player play hockey for them but financial issues drove him elsewhere.
 
Let me say this; I'll show off some of my optimistic spirit by saying that I hope De George and Leone are as good as advertised and can fit in right away, along with a healthy Hopkins and an improved Rutherford, Vechery, etc. I do believe that we have players here that could form a decent line.

But do I have even one iota of faith in the O-LINE coach at this point??? Good God, the guy has made the line progressively worse every year!

The quickest way to fixing the line is fixing the person responsible for the line...
Jesus i read your first sentence and almost had a heart attack. Thought you typed George Deleone
 
Jesus i read your first sentence and almost had a heart attack. Thought you typed George Deleone

Alright. New rule: Leone's name has to be typed prior to DeGeorge's name at all times moving forward. In fact, DeGeorge should never play to the left of Leone, so as to ensure that we all stay healthy emotionally... ;)
 
Jesus i read your first sentence and almost had a heart attack. Thought you typed George Deleone

Not that DeLeone would be a fit for UCONN now for obvious reasons but just
curious why doesn't Matt Rhule and Temple have a problem with George DeLeone?
He hired him this year as run game coordinator and O line coach in 2016.

Temple had a great year. AAC champs, 46th in rushing, 65th in passing, 10-3, 25th ranked in the country and playing Wake Forest in the Military bowl.

Temple University Athletics - 2016 Football Coaching Staff

Spring Football Update #1: Matt Rhule and George DeLeone
 
I respect that you disagreed respectfully. ;) What I will say is that the number of sacks don't line up with improved pass blocking. They just don't. You only take sacks when you're passing, and we were almost the worst in the country. And as you mentioned, the run blocking was not better either.

When you have a relatively veteran line like we did this year, and they haven't improved over the last three years of coaching, one has to deduce that the primary problem is the coaching...
My very limited point was that the 5 offensive linemen did a better job pass blocking this year over last despite the fact our quarterback was sack more times. Shirreffs ran for his life two years ago on most pass plays. This year our quarterbacks had more time to throw. Too many times Shirreffs pulled the ball down to run even though he had more time to throw. Further, the running backs missed a lot of pass blocks during the first half of the season which may have help inflate the sack number. Nevertheless, we can all agree that this was a god awful offensive team that needs both better players and better coaching.
 
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Pass blocking was better this season, I agree. Shirreffs took many unnecessary sacks because 90% of the time he locked onto Thomas and wouldn't look for anybody else then would just hold the ball instead of throwing it away (something he seemed allergic to). Run blocking was about the same. I thought when Hopkins was at RG we had a passable line, when he went out with injuries those 2 separate times there was a dropoff.
 
My very limited point was that the 5 offensive linemen did a better job pass blocking this year over last despite the fact our quarterback was sack more times. Shirreffs ran for his life two years ago on most pass plays. This year our quarterbacks had more time to throw. Too many times Shirreffs pulled the ball down to run even though he had more time to throw. Further, the running backs missed a lot of pass blocks during the first half of the season which may have help inflate the sack number. Nevertheless, we can all agree that this was a god awful offensive team that needs both better players and better coaching.

If I had a $ for how many blocks Newsome missed this season.... Yea he is a good player but sometimes he's mentally aloof back there in pass protection.
 
If I had a $ for how many blocks Newsome missed this season.... Yea he is a good player but sometimes he's mentally aloof back there in pass protection.

he was still leagues ahead of Johnson. RJ whiffed almost every single time
 
The backs are not good blockers but many backs struggle with that. She you say the linemen are not good blockers, though, you know you have problems. I'm with those who say we need a whole new approach on the line and that means a new coach for that position. 3 years with no improvement is long enough.
 
he was still leagues ahead of Johnson. RJ whiffed almost every single time
the unsettling part about that is how much bigger he is than Newsome
 
the unsettling part about that is how much bigger he is than Newsome
To be fair to both of them, it seemed like either the QB was calling the wrong protections or the line was messing up their assignments a lot of the time. Rushers were coming from different places than where the backs were stepping up to.
 
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