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Message: [QUOTE="Dillon77, post: 2685535, member: 6620"] Technically, this probably belongs in the Coaching Carousel Thread but whatever. Yes, the ND insignia blinds all of us :)cool:) and especially you in this situation. Her results at PSU are average at best as the Big 10 during her 11 years there has probably been the worst of the P5 during that time by a lot. She's 93-93 in conference play. She had a great 3 year run before Maryland joined the Big10. I really discount 20 win seasons due the usual cupcakes many of these programs feast upon in November and December (see Sylvia Hatchell). For some reason, the WNIT decided to invite a 16-15 PSU team this year who promptly lost to Radford in the first round. Her last 4 years have not been good. As noted, some coaches are just great lieutenants under a great captain and need to stay there. Me thinks Coach C is one of these. I also chuckle a bit about not just your comment on assistants who "are great recruiters" to star schools like ND, Tenn or Maryland as I think the schools strong WCBB history sort of sells itself. I mean, I get your love for Ivey but who really knows how she will do until she actually does leave. I would also put UConn in this category that none of Geno or CD's assistants have really shined at their schools. Sure Marisa has had some success but Dawn built that program and left it in pretty good shape. I honestly think [USER=7894]@nwhoopfan[/USER] nailed it that it is a crapshoot or roll of the dice with the assistants, banking on their pedigree under a great coach and program, which is logical but "misses" occur as often has "hits" From a true star perspective as a former assistant, I would say only Jeff Walz from the MD staff has achieved high echelon success. McGuff, Mitchell, Elliott, Mosely, have all have moderate success. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE] [B]Dillon Response[/B] - Fair enough on her overall record and I'm certainly not defending her recent years. I'm a bit perplexed by her inability to recruit the level of players she was getting, whether in the Keystone state or from her stomping grounds in southern Michigan. In fact, I think she's on justifiable shaky ground right now. - I don't think we can put an asterisk next to her B1G record -- *before Maryland came in -- and quasi-hold it against her. As one might say, "...it is what it is." (You could say the same thing about a number of schools in the ACC -- *before ND joined.) - In regards to schools like ND, Tenn or Maryland selling themselves in terms of recruiting, I'll go "yeah" and "nah" on that one. It might get you in the door and even into the sitting room, but you still have to seal the deal against other such schools. Does it make it (school's brand) somewhat easier? Yes. But you still have to seal the deal. My contrarian point (interestingly enough, against me :rolleyes:) is that Coach McGraw is the one who will ultimately be the "closer" because she's, well, Muffet. - BTW, I do admire and enjoy the job Niele does for MM in terms of recruiting, coaching and game planning. However, I'm not one who wants to have her jump into the ND HC job down the road. I'm of the belief that you need to be a head coach before taking over a major institution. (Lindsay Whelan is about to test this and then some due to her time commitments, so we'll see). - To me, the ND-related coaches to keep an eye on are Megan Duffy at Miami of Ohio, who has paid her dues at St. John's, George Washington and Michigan before getting the Redhawk HC position; and, Jonathan Tsipis, who did a cracker-jack job at GW (prior to Jen Rizzotti), aided and abetted by one Megan Duffy. The closet was bare for him at Wisconsin and he's worked his butt off to ingrain himself to Wisconsin HS coaches and he's just landed his first home-state recruit. Give him two years or so before judging. [/QUOTE]

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