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I agree with the general premise that nobody should be panicking. But I also think it would be awfully convenient if the 50% leaving happen to be the same 50% we hope leave. There's likely to be a painful departure or 2
I know the latter part is the reality of the sport now, but there’s certain guys I’m gonna have a really hard time with leaving given their roles this year and next year.
 
Portal gone bad


Interesting to hear him talk like this. I guess it affected him with everyone talking about him just being there for the money and didn’t care about the team. Humanizes the kid to see him like that after all the things I had heard about him.
 
I don't think UConn fans are "panicking" much at all about losing 50% of the current roster that is eligible to come back. The 50% that do come back are likely the ones contributing in big ways right now, if the other 50% don't come back they can be replaced....just the way things are now, year to year.

Although Dan Hurley says he wants them all back I doubt that's really the case, some spots need upgrades besides the incoming freshmen. It's a business now more than ever, they're all being paid something. Players have to go where they can play and make the most and UConn needs to put the best team it can on the floor every year....which means a mix of returning players, freshmen & portal to fill needs.

It's taken me a while to accept the business part, as I'm still nostalgic and hopeful of recruiting freshmen and having continuity for 2-3 years. But that's mostly dead now.

I'm now more attuned to the "we need the best player now" mentality, and honestly, if we lose five guys and replace them with five better guys and then replace those five guys with five equal or better guys the year after, then we will be more successful.

I'm going to assume we will try to bring in 3-4 stud freshmen every year, but chances are we'll just be hitting free agency pretty hard most years.
 
We will probably recruit a big, but Ndongo will want more PT than we could offer.

Naithan George is the actual player we should keep an eye on from that team. Sophomore who averaged 13/4/7.
Big fan of George
 
The biggest name in the portal this year will likely be the UCF center, Moustapha Thaim.

7'2", avg 10 points, 6.3 reb, 2.6 blocks. He's a freshman too.

30% 3 point shooter on 2.3 3PA too. We don't need a center with Reibe coming in and Reed here next year, but this kid (if he hits the portal) will be the most sought after name. Lottery pick potential
 
Do we have pt for a center? We have a sr Tarris and fr Reibe

I have doubts that Reibe is a contributor year 1. The S&C is lacking, and he's inconsistent. I think this year taught us you can't rely on non-5* freshman to be contributors day 1.
 
Kind of sketchy that a major contributor on a decent NCAA Tournament team is leaking that he's going to transfer, no?
 
Trilly says Braden Huff from Gonzaga is entering. I would be extremely interested in him.
Mostly played off the bench until recent games. Had a big and successful run against Saint Mary's one night ago. Strong inside player.
 
Trilly says Braden Huff from Gonzaga is entering. I would be extremely interested in him.
Isn't UConn already set with Tarris and Eric Reibe (freshman next year)? This assumes Tarris doesn't enter the portal and I really hope he does not.
 
It's taken me a while to accept the business part, as I'm still nostalgic and hopeful of recruiting freshmen and having continuity for 2-3 years. But that's mostly dead now.

I'm now more attuned to the "we need the best player now" mentality, and honestly, if we lose five guys and replace them with five better guys and then replace those five guys with five equal or better guys the year after, then we will be more successful.

I'm going to assume we will try to bring in 3-4 stud freshmen every year, but chances are we'll just be hitting free agency pretty hard most years.
I hope I’m wrong about what diving head first into this trend will do to our program.

We have a talent advantage when it comes to recruiting. Stepping on our feet to bring in higher floor guys with not as much talent would hurt that.

Maybe I’ll end up wrong though we’ll see.
 
I hope I’m wrong about what diving head first into this trend will do to our program.

We have a talent advantage when it comes to recruiting. Stepping on our feet to bring in higher floor guys with not as much talent would hurt that.

Maybe I’ll end up wrong though we’ll see.
I honestly think the idea of how we built 2023/2024 is already an obsolete notion as portal system was not fully mature then. Now that it's here, and players, coaches and advisors all know how it works, it's truly a year to year deal for everyone. This is why I think the most sustainable way to win year to year is likely what Scheyer is doing - load up with top 15-20 freshmen studs annually and bring in 3-4 mature bodied transfers to balance out. You get the NBA talent that hopefully blossoms along with the insurance policy & leadership in seniority. I'm sure K and Scheyer ran through through Fuqua for analysis :).

I'm going to be dying to see if a kid like Braden Smith, who could likely command a fortune in the portal, tests it. I don't think he will, but boy it has to be tempting to find out what your market is when you have no NBA future.
 
Odd that we wouldn't be after a 3/4 type, unless the staff really thinks AK may return and Stewart / Ross / Abraham will all stay and make big jumps
 
Reibe is a 4* player--borderline 5*--just like Nowell was. Normally, players in that range I'm fine relying on to contribute. Not for kids in the 50-100 range we've recruited historically.

But IMO it's different because he's a big. We MUST have a servicable backup big, and I'd be reluctant to put that much pressure on a freshman with a weak body and inconsistent game right now. There's a darn good shot he's a player, but we need guaranteed performance.

I'm very high on bigs from the portal for this reason.
The best bigs we've ever had are in the 50-100 range and lower- Okafor, Clingan, Thabeet, Sanogo, Voskuhl, Boone.

You were pretty skeptical about Clingan doing much coming out of Bristol.

I think people are starting to get a little goofy about the portal fixing everything and no need for recruits outside of the top 20 anymore.
I honestly think the idea of how we built 2023/2024 is already an obsolete notion as portal system was not fully mature then. Now that it's here, and players, coaches and advisors all know how it works, it's truly a year to year deal for everyone. This is why I think the most sustainable way to win year to year is likely what Scheyer is doing - load up with top 15-20 freshmen studs annually and bring in 3-4 mature bodied transfers to balance out. You get the NBA talent that hopefully blossoms along with the insurance policy & leadership in seniority. I'm sure K and Scheyer ran through through Fuqua for analysis :).

I'm going to be dying to see if a kid like Braden Smith, who could likely command a fortune in the portal, tests it. I don't think he will, but boy it has to be tempting to find out what your market is when you have no NBA future.
Our team last year is now obsolete and you think the most sustainable way to win year to year is by being the best recruiting program in the country that gets their absolute pick of top freshmen and top transfers.

Cool, good to know.
 
I honestly think the idea of how we built 2023/2024 is already an obsolete notion as portal system was not fully mature then. Now that it's here, and players, coaches and advisors all know how it works, it's truly a year to year deal for everyone. This is why I think the most sustainable way to win year to year is likely what Scheyer is doing - load up with top 15-20 freshmen studs annually and bring in 3-4 mature bodied transfers to balance out. You get the NBA talent that hopefully blossoms along with the insurance policy & leadership in seniority. I'm sure K and Scheyer ran through through Fuqua for analysis :).
I think the first coach that fully commits to the “obsolete” way and has great recruiting will have teams easily head and shoulders more talented than the rest of the field on top of having actual chemistry of playing together for years.

It will probably look similar to the back2backs ease wise. The talent pool is that weak right now in college because nobody is actually developing talented players. Just trying to buy players they don’t have to coach.
 
I think the first coach that fully commits to the “obsolete” way and has great recruiting will have teams easily head and shoulders more talented than the rest of the field on top of having actual chemistry of playing together for years.

It will probably look similar to the back2backs ease wise. The talent pool is that weak right now in college because nobody is actually developing talented players. Just trying to buy players they don’t have to coach.
The problem with your premise is that players are not going to stick around long enough to be developed
If a player isn’t in the rotation in his freshman year, he’s not going to stay
The 13 man roster and it’s completely outdated
I suspect going forward the coaches will be looking to have rosters of no more than 10 to 11 players
In today’s environment if you’re playing 8 to 9 players and then there’s two that aren’t going to be happy
 
This is why I think the most sustainable way to win year to year is likely what Scheyer is doing - load up with top 15-20 freshmen studs annually and bring in 3-4 mature bodied transfers to balance out. You get the NBA talent that hopefully blossoms along with the insurance policy & leadership in seniority.

I doubt anyone would disagree that the best way to do it is get your absolute pick of the best high school players and supplement that by getting your absolute pick of the best mature, tough upperclassmen. The more interesting question is what does every other program besides Duke do?
 
The problem with your premise is that players are not going to stick around long enough to be developed
If a player isn’t in the rotation in his freshman year, he’s not going to stay
The 13 man roster and it’s completely outdated
I suspect going forward the coaches will be looking to have rosters of no more than 10 to 11 players
In today’s environment if you’re playing 8 to 9 players and then there’s two that aren’t going to be happy
Exactly - 611 seems to see this from a program choice standpoint only. Kids will equally have choices and bolt to where they get PT & $$. You're not keeping a freshman for more than a year unless they have a clear sightline to starting year 2. There is really no replacement to develop then real playing time. So unless you're a coach that is willing to play a below grade player allowing and hoping they develop at the sake of fielding a bad team, you're going to lose them.
 
The problem with your premise is that players are not going to stick around long enough to be developed
If a player isn’t in the rotation in his freshman year, he’s not going to stay
The 13 man roster and it’s completely outdated
I suspect going forward the coaches will be looking to have rosters of no more than 10 to 11 players
In today’s environment if you’re playing 8 to 9 players and then there’s two that aren’t going to be happy
That’s not really a problem for bigger programs as long as you show you’re willing to invest in them. And it hasn’t really been a problem for us.

We shot ourselves in the foot this year playing the portal game with Mahaney. I’m not blaming our young guys because we had to double down on a bad decision instead of giving them a shot.
 
I doubt anyone would disagree that the best way to do it is get your absolute pick of the best high school players and supplement that by getting your absolute pick of the best mature, tough upperclassmen. The more interesting question is what does every other program besides Duke do?
I know stating some of the obvious with Duke given their natural advantages. Had hoped the portal might neutralize some of their advantages and would level the playing field (because I hate Duke), as they seemed committed to just doing the same old build through Burger Boys routine. Rather than wait out a lot of his home grown guys like Roach & Mitchell, took the proactive and cleaned house to accelerate to the year over model by adding in portal upgrades and better roster fits. What's it's generally saying is that continuity (which is an advantage for many programs that can't recruit at that level), means jack, talent wins. With some of the super old guy COVID advantages dying off (which Pearl is reaping off of), that Duke model looks more and more sustainable. Not many can do what they are doing - although what's interesting is that Samson is bringing in a killer class this year, really a first for him after being more of a developmental guy. I consider him one of the smarter coaches out there.

Pearl is trying to hold onto the old guy recipe bringing in JUCO's at this point, which aren't docked eligibility any longer. Now that is an interesting angle.

I think all we can do is a bit of what Hurley is doing with this Frosh class - get the absolute best class you can, hold onto your 2-3 best returners and go grab really great portal gets. My concern this year is some of those really great portal players are going to be hot commodities, so I'm wondering how we fair.
 
Exactly - 611 seems to see this from a program choice standpoint only. Kids will equally have choices and bolt to where they get PT & $$. You're not keeping a freshman for more than a year unless they have a clear sightline to starting year 2. There is really no replacement to develop then real playing time. So unless you're a coach that is willing to play a below grade player allowing and hoping they develop at the sake of fielding a bad team, you're going to lose them.
Where we have a disconnect is the belief that doing this is succumbing to being a worst team and losing.

There’s possibilities that investing in young guys early can do what it used to do, have them playing like sophomores by the end of the season. But if everything is about being risk adverse and what can you do right now we’re never going to get that development of watching a freshman turn into a sophomore.
 
That’s not really a problem for bigger programs as long as you show you’re willing to invest in them. And it hasn’t really been a problem for us.

We shot ourselves in the foot this year playing the portal game with Mahaney. I’m not blaming our young guys because we had to double down on a bad decision instead of giving them a shot.
You have to get your portal players right - and there is much less excuse as there is plenty of tape at the required level. Bombing in the portal will be the kiss of death.
 

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