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This should, in theory, result in a better college basketball product at the top of D1. Late bloomers and under the radar talent getting added to top HS talent. I’m all for it from a basketball perspective.
 
superjohn said:
No, that's an awful idea. Nobody has any appetite for an NBA farm system.
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That's exactly what it is - just because you don't want to see it that way doesn't mean it isn't true.
 
upstater said:
What does that have to do with anything?
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You don't want the kids in college. It's still extremely important for the overwhelming majority of players to get their degrees.
 
upstater said:
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Than the NFL?

I dont think so. Not even close.
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It's very close. Depends on how you want to quantify it.
You're definitely right about the money and the national popularity, due to more casual fans of the whole nfl scene. But it's different:
The way alabama, south Carolina, Oregon, Mississippi, TN, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Georgia, Kentucky, north Carolina, Kansas, Iowa, Indiana, feel about college sports is unparalleled than in the pros.
I think fantasy is the thing that pushes the nfl ahead money wise.

It's like this, Halloween is celebrated by everybody in the u.s. but it ain't sacred like Easter or passover.

NFL=MCDONALDS

CFB= NY PIZZA, SOUTHERN BBQ, CHESAPEAKE BAY SEAFOOD, MIDWEST CREAM OF MUSHROOM SOUP CASSEROLES ETC.
 
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superjohn said:
Of course it's the American feeder system to the NBA, once you remove college from it nobody cares about it. They tried it with with Ignite and these other teams, nobody cares.
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I think the point is, as long as the laundry says Connecticut and there's a basketball on the court people will watch regardless if the athletes are "student-athletes" or not.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I think the point is, as long as the laundry says Connecticut and there's a basketball on the court people will watch regardless if the athletes are "student-athletes" or not.
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What are you advocating? The Connecticut Huskies removed from the University of Connecticut in a NBA development league?
 
upstater said:
Take the game pro! Been saying it for awhile.

With numbers like these, there can be absolutely no pretense that this has anything to do with academics. At this point, take it pro!

Do not force kids into classes if they don't want to be there.
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This is the next obvious step in “college” athletics.

Athletes will be allowed to play without taking classes. Their degree program will be them participating in whatever sport they play.

The way things are accelerating I give it three years at best before all remaining remnants of the college athletic model as we knew it disappears completely.

Enjoy these past two years because what we love about college basketball, and UConn basketball, will not exist.
 
superjohn said:
What are you advocating? The Connecticut Huskies removed from the University of Connecticut in a NBA development league?
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I'm not advocating for anything - just making the point that for all intents and purposes "college" basketball is already a semi pro league. When guys are out there cashing $1M checks and 30% of the sport is transferring every year, you really think people are holding onto some illusion that it's not semi pro because guys get tutored on the side for History 101?

And for the record - I'm fine with it. Kids should get paid.
 
Never in history has the basketball landscape been so beneficial to the small name player who develops his game and raises his stock so that he can get an opportunity on the open transfer market to capitalize.

It does need to be regulated, however, but I'm an advocate for the players getting these opportunities. There's never been this much movement and excitement about transfer portal, ever! And I'm all for it!
 
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superjohn said:
Of course it's the American feeder system to the NBA, once you remove college from it nobody cares about it. They tried it with with Ignite and these other teams, nobody cares.
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Yes!!!! 100% the regional thing is the whole reason!!!
It's the reason why people will watch the Olympic but will never watch pro-running, or gymnastics or...swimming.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I'm not advocating for anything - just making the point that for all intents and purposes "college" basketball is already a semi pro league. When guys are out there cashing $1M checks and 30% of the sport is transferring every year, you really think people are holding onto some illusion that it's not semi pro because guys get tutored on the side for History 101?

And for the record - I'm fine with it. Kids should get paid.
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So you do think the kids should still be a part of the school, take classes, and get degrees?

You don't want an NBA farm system?
 
superjohn said:
So you do think the kids should still be a part of the school, take classes, and get degrees?

You don't want an NBA farm system?
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Sure. I don't really have a dog in the fight.

Just commenting that it's far more semi pro than pure amateurism.
 
Would love to know how this all works with academic credits transferring. Assuming kids that transfer multiple times are probably not graduating.
 
LIuconn said:
This is why we won't see mid majors make NCAA runs like they used to
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It goes both ways. See Diggins. Instead of not playing here it’s a top 60 recruit starting at UMass. Maybe it doesn’t totally even but I don’t think it’s a huge net gain at the top middle or bottom conferences. It evens itself out overall.

Plus all you need is one rich guy at a small school to really swing the needle in terms of talent there. Surprised hasn’t happened more already yet.
 
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DRBackup said:
Of course, nothing says all those players think they're going to high D1 power 5 teams. Nothing says guys aren't transferring to upgrade from Southland to MVC.
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Or they are just disgruntled human beings who think they are better than they are. We all have friends, family members, co workers like this. I guess portal people will get the truth one way or another. I love it, ultimate meritocracy with no place for participation trophies. Those who deserve it will get theirs. Love uconn approach, indiana can buy ballo, tarris want to win and improve
 
John said:
Would love to know how this all works with academic credits transferring. Assuming kids that transfer multiple times are probably not graduating.
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They never did
 
John said:
Would love to know how this all works with academic credits transferring. Assuming kids that transfer multiple times are probably not graduating.
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The new NCAA proposal is to allow unlimited transfers to those in "good academic standing". Some ambiguity is built in as usual.

Folks need to relax on the new system. It's a new paradigm, and cannot be reconciled with NCAA noncompensated labor of the past. 98% of these guys are not going pro, and are financially better off maximizing their earnings potential now. These guys have agents now and Hurley's own agent told him not to publicly deny the Kentucky job! Extra covid years are throwing a wrench into things, players, coaches, programs and boosters having little experience in a new, less than transparent process are throwing a wrench into things. The market will work itself out in a few years, not without some heartbreak and idiocy, but I'm happy these guys can finally make a few bucks and have some agency in their pursuits. As for losing fans, that's naga, naga, not gonna happen. Content consumption increases every year and while fan behavior and content delivery may change, media value is increasing proportionally (except for NASCAR lol)
 
speckle said:
The new NCAA proposal is to allow unlimited transfers to those in "good academic standing". Some ambiguity is built in as usual.

Folks need to relax on the new system. It's a new paradigm, and cannot be reconciled with NCAA noncompensated labor of the past. 98% of these guys are not going pro, and are financially better off maximizing their earnings potential now. These guys have agents now and Hurley's own agent told him not to publicly deny the Kentucky job! Extra covid years are throwing a wrench into things, players, coaches, programs and boosters having little experience in a new, less than transparent process are throwing a wrench into things. The market will work itself out in a few years, not without some heartbreak and idiocy, but I'm happy these guys can finally make a few bucks and have some agency in their pursuits. As for losing fans, that's naga, naga, not gonna happen. Content consumption increases every year and while fan behavior and content delivery may change, media value is increasing proportionally (except for NASCAR lol)
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Yeah that's great but what about being afforded real economic opportunity by getting a college degree?
 
John said:
Yeah that's great but what about being afforded real economic opportunity by getting a college degree?
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So you would inhibit athletes from transferring based on motivation? No one's talking about reducing the abilities of nonathletes to transfer for any reason whatsoever. Seems extremely prejudicial.

People are contorting themselves all over the place because change is difficult, but inevitable.
 
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speckle said:
So you would inhibit athletes from transferring based on motivation? No one's talking about reducing the abilities of nonathletes to transfer for any reason whatsoever. Seems extremely prejudicial.

People are contorting themselves all over the place because change is difficult, but inevitable.
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You're one of those people who's focusing on shiny trinkets rather than the real goal of college athletic scholarships.
 
MuchoDogYears said:
This is the next obvious step in “college” athletics.

Athletes will be allowed to play without taking classes. Their degree program will be them participating in whatever sport they play.

The way things are accelerating I give it three years at best before all remaining remnants of the college athletic model as we knew it disappears completely.

Enjoy these past two years because what we love about college basketball, and UConn basketball, will not exist.
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You can't have a degree program though without a field, and there is no field in sports currently, and none will pop up overnight. You'll actually need some body of work, whether in books, exercise, training, something, anything, that would constitute a field. And the person offering these classes would have to have a degree in an adjacent field, or none of it happens at all. In other words, they can't give out degrees if there isn't a person with a degree to give them out. So, someone in an adjacent field would have to create an interdisciplinary program. I can only think of the literature of sports, or something to do with exercise science, the history of sports, sports and sociology, sports administration, these kind of things.

When it comes to imagining playing a sport, though, I'm stumped in trying to find an adjacent field. What would it be? Maybe something like Dance & Sport? But dance requires all sorts of study which just recreates the same problem I'm mentioning above.
 
John said:
Would love to know how this all works with academic credits transferring. Assuming kids that transfer multiple times are probably not graduating.
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100% correct, it's not happening unless they already have a degree and come in as grad students.
 
speckle said:
So you would inhibit athletes from transferring based on motivation? No one's talking about reducing the abilities of nonathletes to transfer for any reason whatsoever. Seems extremely prejudicial.

People are contorting themselves all over the place because change is difficult, but inevitable.
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People dissuade and inhibit regular students from transferring all the time. For one, credits infrequently transfer over, which is a form of inhibiting them, and two, the cost and extra classes creates a setback for them.

The only difference is when a regular student is a freshman, and in that case, they will probably only lose a semester by transferring.
 
superjohn said:
You don't want the kids in college. It's still extremely important for the overwhelming majority of players to get their degrees.
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That was never happening before, but the national degree rate for all students is around 60% anyway. If you're transferring beyond your freshman year, I'm assuming you're almost certainly not going to get a degree. Your eligibility will run out long before you get one. So will your funding. It is less likely that you get your degree than it used to be. And the high schools and colleges don't make it any easier.
 
upstater said:
You can't have a degree program though without a field, and there is no field in sports currently, and none will pop up overnight. You'll actually need some body of work, whether in books, exercise, training, something, anything, that would constitute a field. And the person offering these classes would have to have a degree in an adjacent field, or none of it happens at all. In other words, they can't give out degrees if there isn't a person with a degree to give them out. So, someone in an adjacent field would have to create an interdisciplinary program. I can only think of the literature of sports, or something to do with exercise science, the history of sports, sports and sociology, sports administration, these kind of things.

When it comes to imagining playing a sport, though, I'm stumped in trying to find an adjacent field. What would it be? Maybe something like Dance & Sport? But dance requires all sorts of study which just recreates the same problem I'm mentioning above.
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Ok then they won’t be enrolled students. They’ll be university employees. However it’s done, it won’t involve taking classes.
 
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