Top markets for the game

[Gfunk]

Top 10 highest rated markets for last night's game
1 Louisville 46.3
2 Hartford-New Haven 32.4
3 Cincinnati 28.2
4 Dayton 22.8
5 Columbus, OH 21.5
6 Memphis 21.2
7 Indianapolis 20.7
8 Nashville 19.9
9 Knoxville 18.6
10 Raleigh-Durham 18.4

For years now we've debated why Louisville is the top market in college basketball. Now, Louisville compared to many markets is actually pretty small, but the ratings for bball are high. Why? I have no doubt a lot of Cardinal fans watched the national championship, but when you look at those Ohio numbers alongside the Ville number, the only conclusion I can draw is that Wildcat nation is huge and watches TV. This goes to show that much of the popularity of college bball in Ville is due to UK fans.

You know they say Kentuckiana, but I say Ohiotuckiana. This has got to be the only part of the country where the BIG and SEC are actually quite interconnected & have been for decades. The greater Ohio River Valley, my opinion & I'd like to see a valid counterargument, is the best high-college basketball region in the country. The fact that his region is so split along conference affiliation lines, I believe diminishes the amazing basketball in this region. It's an understated story worthy of an ESPN 30/30.

 

[B1GALUM]

He has no such plan. Delaney and the men who run the BUG are happy with Rutgers and Maryland remaining losers, as long and Meatchicken and Blohio State gain from their presence. The plan is to get the DC and NYC Tv markets to pay top dollar to the BTN, with hopefully more top recruits from NJ and MD/DC going to the Big 2 of the BUG.

Question for you. Why is it that a number of ACC posters on this board, but especially yourself, are incapable of posting a message without including a shot at the Big Ten in some fashion? Is the thought that, by insulting the Big Ten over and over again, our UConn hosts will suddenly think "wow thanks for that; we better dodge that bullet no matter what and hold out for the invitation to the ACC"? Let us discuss the ACC then; the conference that has rejected UConn on multiple occasions and is unlikely to offer an invitation until Notre Dame is willing to join as the 15th full time school which you know is likely never to happen.

 

[Ldandy]

Virginia is a candidate only because we're in the next state over. The B1G needs to get over that. Obviously it's why they are a candidate. If UVA was geographically situated in the deep South or Pacific Northwest they would be a non starter regardless of their academics.

You don't leave a league in one of the fastest growing regions of the country to run off to one in the country's rust belt and corn fields. You say this, but it rings hollow to me. You would either be in a pod with Mid Atlantic Schools like UMD, RU and PSU or in an East with those three, maybe UCONN, and big name programs like UM and OSU. Oh and you would still be in Virginia for 6-8 Home Games a year. How is going to Syracuse, Pitt, or BC worse? I've been to all three and the game day environments are um...

It makes no sense whatsoever, BTN or not. And if Big Ten schools want access to the region for athletes and students, they get out of that league and join one in the region like Notre Dame has done. Obviously you are referencing my team as UMD and RU have yet to play a game in The B1G. No other school in the B1G would even entertain the idea. The percentage of our own fan base that would be in favor of such a move dwindles every year. You can't please everyone so why try? We have fans who throw around the idea of going independent again, as if that would even be possible in 2014.

PSU can recruit the Mid Atlantic right from where they are located, w/o having to give up the benefits of B1G Memberships. Coach Franklin is killing it on the recruiting trail, currently sporting the #1 Class in America. As for the rest of our AD we do fine thanks. We added another 3 National Titles over the last season, and currently sit second in The Director's Cup. Right or wrong The ACC is viewed as a Bball first conference. We are not a basketball school. Never will be, as the interest from our fan base is not strong enough to force the AD to do what would be necessary to bring a big winner to SC. We would be happy with a little better performance year to year, with an occasional run in the tournament when we had a senior laden team.

That's just my opinion, and we've discussed it before. Virginia has looked into this briefly and decided to stay where they are.

Look I get that UVA has decades of tradition in The ACC, and in a perfect world would want to stay and continue to build the conference. That said it is 2014 and we all know that we are not in a perfect world. As long as the B1G sits at 14, and as long as their upcoming contract negotiations loom, UVA will remain a potential candidate. What if 2 years go by and The ACC is no closer to landing a TV Network? What happens if UMD gets off for way below the 52 mil The ACC is asking? What if other schools get nervous and start looking around? Would UVA leadership be proactive and make a move, or would they be reactive and stay in whatever the ACC potentially could become? I'm not an insider, but I have some contacts. I believe UVA was and remains a candidate. Not saying anything ever comes of it, but as of now Delany has not moved on from the idea.

 

[upstater]

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Upstater, you really need to be clearer that it was a top 50 list.
Typing "Lexington is not a major market It's outside the top 50" is kinda vague.

OK. I thought that was pretty specific, but whatever.

 

[SubbaBub]

I have no idea if BC blackballed you from the ACC. Do you have any proof of this? Do you think that is the only thing that prevented the ACC from adding you?
I find it somewhat hard to believe that TV partners and all the members of the ACC wanted to add you but BC voted no and shut the whole deal down. I have a hard time believing that BC has that much power in the ACC. I have a hard time believing that 1 fairly unimportant school can decide who the conference adds. But I could be wrong.

What about the B1G? Did a school blackball you there too? What do you think is holding them back?

For a guy who self admittedly doesn't know much, you seem to talk a lot.

 

[okielite]

For a guy who self admittedly doesn't know much, you seem to talk a lot.

Thanks for your contribution to the conversation. Try focusing less on me and more on the topic. I noticed you didn't answer any of the questions. Keep up the great work.

 

[SubbaBub]

Thanks for your contribution to the conversation. Try focusing less on me and more on the topic. I noticed you didn't answer any of the questions. Keep up the great work.

You have a hard time accepting known facts, which makes having a conversation with you difficult. Your "questions" have been answered and cited on this site about a thousand times.

To continually come on here and pester this board with nonsense makes you either a troll, a 14 year old, or both.

 

[okielite]

You have a hard time accepting known facts, which makes having a conversation with you difficult. Your "questions" have been answered and cited on this site about a thousand times.

To continually come on here and pester this board with nonsense makes you either a troll, a 14 year old, or both.

Actually with the amount of misinformation on this board it is extremely difficult to get a correct answer. I have been told the AAC payout was 2 million up to 5 million. I have been told that the AAC has all the TV rights including the rights your practice games, I have also been told you get 2 million just for your WBB rights. All kinds of conspiracy theories about ESPN and BC keeping UConn out of a power conference. You guys act like you know it all and that UConn is perfect in every way and everybody is stupid for not knowing that. In reality you are not perfect, you have issues that are preventing you from getting into a power conference.

 

[okielite]

Please tell me more about how the huge markets of the NE are crazy about college football. This article seems to confirm that I am right about the NE and it's interest in CFB. I think it also explains why you might not be as valuable as you think in terms of TV markets and your FB program to TV partners.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/20...realignment-chaos/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

In other words, on a per-capita basis, there are probably about 5 times as many football fans in Birmingham as there are in New York. So although the New York media market is about 10 times larger, it has fewer than twice as many college football fans as Birmingham.

 

[Dooley]

Simple math time okie. What's more valuable: 14% of NYC or 85% of Birmingham? Hint: look at the far right column.

 

[WestHartHusk]

Simple math time okie. What's more valuable: 14% of NYC or 85% of Birmingham? Hint: look at the far right column.

You want Okie to do math?

 

[Dooley]

You want Okie to do math?

Be careful. Calling out Okie in any way always results in some sort of victim card response, insults towards you and UCONN, and more trolling questions that, in the case above, were refuted in the SAME ARTICLE that he/she used to try to troll. Simple math and simple reading comprehension skills should have encouraged him/her to at least use a different article to try to devalue northeast college football.

 

[okielite]

Simple math time okie. What's more valuable: 14% of NYC or 85% of Birmingham? Hint: look at the far right column.

Well since Alabama gets paid more than BC, UConn, or Syracuse it's pretty obvious which is worth more. Since Georgia gets paid more than the schools in NY it's pretty obvious who is worth more. Since teams from LA and DFW get paid more it's pretty obvious which markets are worth more. Do you see a pattern? If NY was worth so much the teams in that region would get paid more like they do in the other areas like Georgia, DFW, LA, etc.... If they were worth more they would get paid more, see how that works. TCU makes more than Cuse so clearly NY is not worth that much. If NY was worth much UConn would be getting paid well, unfortunately you are not. Heck there was not even a team in the NY area in a power conference until this year when Cuse was added to the ACC. That is a pretty good indicator in itself. Most of those other markets have had multiple teams in power conferences for many years.

Also look at local attendance in those markets. You will notice that there is not a team in the NY area with even respectable attendance. Compare that to the other markets and they almost all have teams who draw 60k+ to games. But not NY, see how the fans are not interested in local teams. The facts dont' lie.

I think this is something that UConn fans dont' want to admit, but deep down you know it is true. NY is not as valuable as you might think. Throw in recruiting and it really looks bad compared to places like ATL, Tampa, DFW, LA, Houston, etc... NY has a bunch of alumni from the B1G, but not fans of local football teams like Buffalo, Cuse, and UConn. Obviously BB is a different story but unfortunately BB is not even close to as valuable as FB.

 

[okielite]

Be careful. Calling out Okie in any way always results in some sort of victim card response, insults towards you and UCONN, and more trolling questions that, in the case above, were refuted in the SAME ARTICLE that he/she used to try to troll. Simple math and simple reading comprehension skills should have encouraged him/her to at least use a different article to try to devalue northeast college football.

More intelligence insults. Gotta love it. BTW I have not insulted UConn even once. I probably will at some point but you probably should wait until then to make your point.

So if UConn people are so smart, and the NY market is so valuable, and UConn dominates the NY market, why is UConn not in a power conference? See how simple it is to prove you are wrong and I am right. Something does not add up with your inflated view of yourself, it's obvious to those of us looking from outside your market. The sooner you figure that out the sooner you will be able to fix your issues. Pretending they dont' exist is not helping your situation. Blaming ESPN does not help your situation. Insulting other fans will not help your situation. Those are just childish reactions.

 

[okielite]

You want Okie to do math?

Yea I'm too dumb for that, LAffin.

Pretty funny to watch you act like a bunch of private school snobs. I guess you are probably just jealous of OSU. I understand. I would be too if I was in your shoes.

 

[Dooley]

NY has a bunch of alumni from the B1G, but not fans of local football teams like Buffalo, Cuse, and UConn. Obviously BB is a different story but unfortunately BB is not even close to as valuable as FB.

From the very same article that you cited...

That's why this is called Conference Realignment. Conferences want to expand into NYC. The ACC and B1G both see that only 14% of 20M follow college football but still, by a LONG shot, register the most college football fans from any area in the country. The concept is just like every American business trying to tap into China's economy. The most densely populated areas will ALWAYS be coveted by anyone/any entity that is trying to sell something. In this case, the ACC and B1G are trying to sell collegiate sports entertainment. The facts don't lie. I think this is something that B12/Oklahoma St fans don't want to admit but deep down you know it is true. Blah, blah blah.

 

[WestHartHusk]

This isn't an insult, but I would rather be a G5 school in Connecticut than P5 in Oklahoma. The fact that you spend so much time here confirms that you probably agree.

 

[pj]

Actually with the amount of misinformation on this board it is extremely difficult to get a correct answer. I have been told the AAC payout was 2 million up to 5 million. I have been told that the AAC has all the TV rights including the rights your practice games, I have also been told you get 2 million just for your WBB rights. All kinds of conspiracy theories about ESPN and BC keeping UConn out of a power conference. You guys act like you know it all and that UConn is perfect in every way and everybody is stupid for not knowing that. In reality you are not perfect, you have issues that are preventing you from getting into a power conference.

UConn's old Big East contract paid about $5 mn per year, and didn't include Tier 3 rights such as WBB which UConn sold to SNY for over $2 mn a year. The Big East turned down a new contract offer from ESPN of $13 mn per year, then ESPN got the ACC to raid the league, and the conference became the AAC. The new contract pays $2 mn per year and includes all rights, so UConn no longer has Tier 3 rights to sell. Thus, while other Big East schools were increasing TV revenue from $5 mn to $17-20 mn by moving to the ACC or B12, UConn was seeing TV revenue drop from $8-9 mn to $2 mn.

No one has ever claimed UConn is perfect. Just that we're as good as many schools in the P5.

 

[Dooley]

More intelligence insults. Gotta love it. BTW I have not insulted UConn even once. I probably will at some point but you probably should wait until then to make your point.

So if UConn people are so smart, and the NY market is so valuable, and UConn dominates the NY market, why is UConn not in a power conference? See how simple it is to prove you are wrong and I am right. Something does not add up with your inflated view of yourself, it's obvious to those of us looking from outside your market. The sooner you figure that out the sooner you will be able to fix your issues. Pretending they dont' exist is not helping your situation. Blaming ESPN does not help your situation. Insulting other fans will not help your situation. Those are just childish reactions.

Simple solution: please leave our board. If you don't like UCONN or the way UCONN fans think highly of our university, then leave. Do you see any UCONN fans over on Oklahoma State's board trolling about how we doubled your Spring Game attendance? No. Do you see UCONN fans over on Oklahoma State boards trolling about how our women's basketball team could beat your men's team left handed and drunk? No. Your school's athletic department got a life raft from T Boone Pickens and for that, you and your fans should be incredibly thankful. Congratulations on that. Otherwise you'd be just another irrelevant athletic program in a small market that nobody outside of the 10% of people in Oklahoma who don't root for the Sooners cares about. But maybe that would have been the magnet for UCONN fans to finally troll on over to the Oklahoma State boards, right? If we are so irrelevant and so small time, why do you keep coming back and back and back with the same tired points that have been refuted over and over and over again? Probably not as small-time in your eyes as you seem to claim, eh?

 

[okielite]

From the very same article that you cited...

That's why this is called Conference Realignment. Conferences want to expand into NYC. The ACC and B1G both see that only 14% of 20M follow college football but still, by a LONG shot, register the most college football fans from any area in the country. The concept is just like every American business trying to tap into China's economy. The most densely populated areas will ALWAYS be coveted by anyone/any entity that is trying to sell something. In this case, the ACC and B1G are trying to sell collegiate sports entertainment. The facts don't lie. I think this is something that B12/Oklahoma St fans don't want to admit but deep down you know it is true. Blah, blah blah.

If the Big 12, SEC, or PAC wanted to get in the NY they sure are not showing it, if they did wouldn't' they have already snatched up UConn? SEC wants NC and Virginia, not NY. Heck even the B1G wants Virginia, NC, or Georgia. Laugh all you want but you know what I said is true. There is a reason teams in other markets are paid more than those in NY. There is a reason CFB games in the NY area are not attended well. There is such a lack of good teams in the area that even Buffalo is supposedly being looked at. Buffalo? I mean NY State. That should tell you enough about the area. But if you want to continue to believe differently that is fine.

It is obvious that the best areas of the country for CFB are Cali, Texas, Forida/Georgia, Ohio. NY is not even close to those areas. The $ proves it.

Heck compare Oklahoma to Connecticut. OU gets 20 million, OSU gets 20 million, and Tulsa gets 2 million. TV partners pay 42 million $ to FBS schools in Oklahoma for TV rights, and that does not include tier 3 for OU and OSU. TV partners pay the FBS schools in Connecticut, NY, and Jersey less than 10 million $ combined. But you think the NY market is the most valuable. Then why do they pay 1 state with 4 million people 42 million and 3 states with a combined 20+ million less than 10 million $ combined. So basically Oklahoma is worth 4 times what teams from around NY are on TV contracts. Do you want to talk support? In Oklahoma any given weekend there will be over 150k people at the 3 schools FB games. In NY there will be about 75k people at the Cuse, UConn, and Buffalo games. So just the gate income from Oklahoma dwarfs the gate income from 3 teams in the NY area. LAffin.

If you can't see what is so obvious to everyone else I can't help you. The numbers dont' lie.

 

[okielite]

This isn't an insult, but I would rather be a G5 school in Connecticut than P5 in Oklahoma. The fact that you spend so much time here confirms that you probably agree.

Well since the schools in Oklahoma have better support sand more income from TV it's pretty obvious which is better for athletics. Compare the accomplishments of UConn compared to OU, OSU, and TU and it's not even close. You realize that the schools in Connecticut get 2 million for TV contracts and the ones in Oklahoma get a total of over 50 million. You realize that OU nearly trips your attendance, OSU nearly doubles your attendance, and TU is actually the closes with about 10k less. Schools in Oklahoma have almost 100 National championships, UConn has about 15. AD expenditures Oklahoma schools have over 150 million+ and UConn has 60 million. And we dont' rely on taxpayers to support our AD's like UConn does. I guess if you dont' have fan support or donors your taxpayers can get it done but now you are a burden to the state.

Try to focus less on me and more on the topic. When you resort to personal insults you have already lost the debate.

 

[btstimpy]

Look I get that UVA has decades of tradition in The ACC, and in a perfect world would want to stay and continue to build the conference. That said it is 2014 and we all know that we are not in a perfect world. As long as the B1G sits at 14, and as long as their upcoming contract negotiations loom, UVA will remain a potential candidate. What if 2 years go by and The ACC is no closer to landing a TV Network? What happens if UMD gets off for way below the 52 mil The ACC is asking? What if other schools get nervous and start looking around? Would UVA leadership be proactive and make a move, or would they be reactive and stay in whatever the ACC potentially could become? I'm not an insider, but I have some contacts. I believe UVA was and remains a candidate. Not saying anything ever comes of it, but as of now Delany has not moved on from the idea.

UVA leadership will stay in the ACC and continue to make it better. It's a better academic conference than the Big Ten even with Louisville. It a better football conference than the Big Ten (11 bowl teams in 2013 and the National Champion), and it's a better basketball conference than the Big Ten (9 National Championships since 1990 not including anything from Louisville or Syracuse). In baseball and lacrosse there is no contest. Those are two sports most important to UVA. And demographically and geographically there is no contest. The Big Ten isn't an eastern conference. There are 7 teams west of Ohio. Jim Delaney picking up two dog athletic departments in the mid-Atlantic doesn't make it so, nor does opening offices all over creation in the East. That's Napoleonic, little man's syndrome. He can sit in the NY office twice a week, and he still won't conquer New York with Rutgers. The ACC doesn't with Syracuse basketball and Notre Dame football either, but we understand this. And yes 5 Notre Dame football games is having part of Notre Dame. I wish my UConn friends here the best. Many of them truly want to be in the Big Ten. If the ACC is too stupid to invite them, I hope the Big Ten does.

 

[okielite]

Simple solution: please leave our board. If you don't like UCONN or the way UCONN fans think highly of our university, then leave. Do you see any UCONN fans over on Oklahoma State's board trolling about how we doubled your Spring Game attendance? No. Do you see UCONN fans over on Oklahoma State boards trolling about how our women's basketball team could beat your men's team left handed and drunk? No. Your school's athletic department got a life raft from T Boone Pickens and for that, you and your fans should be incredibly thankful. Congratulations on that. Otherwise you'd be just another irrelevant athletic program in a small market that nobody outside of the 10% of people in Oklahoma who don't root for the Sooners cares about. But maybe that would have been the magnet for UCONN fans to finally troll on over to the Oklahoma State boards, right? If we are so irrelevant and so small time, why do you keep coming back and back and back with the same tired points that have been refuted over and over and over again? Probably not as small-time in your eyes as you seem to claim, eh?

If OSU is an irrelevant program in a worthless market when why do they get paid over 10x as much as UConn for TV rights. LAffin. There is a school what gets paid like it's worthless, and it aint OSU. Keep throwing stones from your glass house. I'll shatter you over and over.

So you lost the debate and now want me to leave so I won't embarrass you anymore. I have been nothing but nice to you and your fans. Now you are talking trash about donors, I'd talk trash about yours but you apparently dont' have any, that is why you rely on your taxpayers to finance your AD. Get a grip. You sure like to dish it out but the first time you get some of your own medicine you can't handle it. Quite being such a baby. If you dont' like insults, then dont' insult people. You know what they say about people who can dish it out but can't take it. LAffin.

 

[Dooley]

If the Big 12, SEC, or PAC wanted to get in the NY they sure are not showing it, if they did wouldn't' they have already snatched up UConn? SEC wants NC and Virginia, not NY. Heck even the B1G wants Virginia, NC, or Georgia. Laugh all you want but you know what I said is true. There is a reason teams in other markets are paid more than those in NY. There is a reason CFB games in the NY area are not attended well. There is such a lack of good teams in the area that even Buffalo is supposedly being looked at. Buffalo? I mean NY State. That should tell you enough about the area. But if you want to continue to believe differently that is fine.

It is obvious that the best areas of the country for CFB are Cali, Texas, Forida/Georgia, Ohio. NY is not even close to those areas. The $ proves it.

Heck compare Oklahoma to Connecticut. OU gets 20 million, OSU gets 20 million, and Tulsa gets 2 million. TV partners pay 42 million $ to FBS schools in Oklahoma for TV rights, and that does not include tier 3 for OU and OSU. TV partners pay the FBS schools in Connecticut, NY, and Jersey less than 10 million $ combined. But you think the NY market is the most valuable. Then why do they pay 1 state with 4 million people 42 million and 3 states with a combined 20+ million less than 10 million $ combined. So basically Oklahoma is worth 4 times what teams from around NY are on TV contracts. Do you want to talk support? In Oklahoma any given weekend there will be over 150k people at the 3 schools FB games. In NY there will be about 75k people at the Cuse, UConn, and Buffalo games. So just the gate income from Oklahoma dwarfs the gate income from 3 teams in the NY area. LAffin.

If you can't see what is so obvious to everyone else I can't help you. The numbers dont' lie.

Wow. I am saddened that you had to attack my intelligence. I was just simply making a point. There is no need to get nasty. I guess that's what people in the Bible belt do: get nasty and combative when people who disagree with their views voice their opinion!

If you can't read what I wrote, then I can't help you. I said ACC and B1G...never a mention about B12, SEC or PAC. I couldn't care less what those 3 conferences do or don't do because I don't think UCONN fits well with any of them. Where UCONN fits well with best is the B1G or ACC. Do you honestly think the PAC is looking at UCONN? You must be even dumber than what you present on this board. My goodness.

Do conferences make money on attendance or TV? If you can't grasp that very simple concept, then I can't do anything for you. The numbers don't lie. The northeast is the most densely populated part of the country with the most TV sets. A small percentage of NYC is still FAR more TV sets than a large percentage of Birmingham, Tulsa, Norman, etc. That's where the money is and that's where conferences are expanding. And if attendance was so important, why did Oklahoma State only draw 2500 to its Spring Game? I don't know about you, but I was completely surprised by this. I mean, Oklahoma State has such a huge following and Oklahoma is such a huge draw for college football that I would be convinced that they'd get more than 2,500 at their Spring Game. I think UCONN had that many people in the parking lot tailgating for their Spring Game at 11AM. LAffin. The numbers don't lie. I can't help you if you can't see what is so obvious. There is no need to insult my intelligence, we are just having a rational discussion here. You're probably just jealous of UCONN because you keep coming here! LAffin. Number of your posts don't lie. I can't help you but welcome to UCONN Country! Always nice to make a new fan. Welcome aboard!

 

[Dooley]

If OSU is an irrelevant program in a worthless market when why do they get paid over 10x as much as UConn for TV rights. LAffin. There is a school what gets paid like it's worthless, and it aint OSU. Keep throwing stones from your glass house. I'll shatter you over and over.

So you lost the debate and now want me to leave so I won't embarrass you anymore. I have been nothing but nice to you and your fans. Now you are talking trash about donors, I'd talk trash about yours but you apparently dont' have any, that is why you rely on your taxpayers to finance your AD. Get a grip. You sure like to dish it out but the first time you get some of your own medicine you can't handle it. Quite being such a baby. If you dont' like insults, then dont' insult people. You know what they say about people who can dish it out but can't take it. LAffin.

I didn't lose anything. I'm simply trying to have a rational conversation here and you insult my intelligence. LAffin. Get a grip. Sheesh, no need to throw stones from your glass house. LAffin. If UCONN is such an irrelevant program in a worthless market, then why are our TV ratings through the roof? Why do we have our own regional sports contract? LAffin. UCONN had more fans in the parking lot tailgating 4 hours before their Spring Game than OSU had at their Spring Game! LAffin. Get a grip. Don't throw stones from a glass house because it will shatter all over you! You like to dish it out but can't handle a dose of the truth. Get some Pampers for okielite, because we have a Boneyard baby! If you don't like insults, then don't insult people . You know what they say about people who can dish it out but can't take it? LAffin. Stones. Glass houses. Baby. LAffin.

 

[okielite]

Wow. I am saddened that you had to attack my intelligence. I was just simply making a point. There is no need to get nasty. I guess that's what people in the Bible belt do: get nasty and combative when people who disagree with their views voice their opinion!

If you can't read what I wrote, then I can't help you. I said ACC and B1G...never a mention about B12, SEC or PAC. I couldn't care less what those 3 conferences do or don't do because I don't think UCONN fits well with any of them. Where UCONN fits well with best is the B1G or ACC. Do you honestly think the PAC is looking at UCONN? You must be even dumber than what you present on this board. My goodness.

Do conferences make money on attendance or TV? If you can't grasp that very simple concept, then I can't do anything for you. The numbers don't lie. The northeast is the most densely populated part of the country with the most TV sets. A small percentage of NYC is still FAR more TV sets than a large percentage of Birmingham, Tulsa, Norman, etc. That's where the money is and that's where conferences are expanding. And if attendance was so important, why did Oklahoma State only draw 2500 to its Spring Game? I don't know about you, but I was completely surprised by this. I mean, Oklahoma State has such a huge following and Oklahoma is such a huge draw for college football that I would be convinced that they'd get more than 2,500 at their Spring Game. I think UCONN had that many people in the parking lot tailgating for their Spring Game at 11AM. LAffin. The numbers don't lie. I can't help you if you can't see what is so obvious. There is no need to insult my intelligence, we are just having a rational discussion here. You're probably just jealous of UCONN because you keep coming here! LAffin. Number of your posts don't lie. I can't help you but welcome to UCONN Country! Always nice to make a new fan. Welcome aboard!

So you don't think attendance gives schools income? I guess since you are used to 20k people at games it's probably true for you but not schools with actual fan support. Just the gate is worth a huge pile of money.

You really want to talk fan support? OK.

OSU did not have a spring game. That is why attendance was so lo, it was a practice. I understand that to you it might have looked like a game. I was going to watch the UConn spring game but it was not on TV, Online, or even on the radio. Excellent exposure you are getting. If that happened in Oklahoma people would go crazy, in Connecticut they didn't' even notice because quite frankly nobody cares. The fact that only 17k people shoed up for a home game confirms your fans dont' care. Can you imagine 17k people showing up for an OU or OSU game? I can't. Thank god it will never happen.

UConn only sells 5k student tickets and about 20k season tickets. About half what OSU sells. Nice try but you lose by a landslide.

UConn is the only school in a state with nearly 4 million people. Oklahoma has 3 FBS schools to compete against. TV payout is 2 million versus over 50 million so appx 25x more than Connecticut. Attendance in Oklahoma is about 5x the attendance in Connecticut. TV partners think we are worth 25x more. Fans think we are 5x better. Sounds about right.

 

[tzznandrew]

If OSU is an irrelevant program in a worthless market when why do they get paid over 10x as much as UConn for TV rights. LAffin.

Honest question: do you think Oklahoma State or TCU is worth as much as Texas? Is Oregon State worth as much as USC or UCLA? Is Boston College or Wake Forest worth as much as UNC or Florida State? Is Purdue or Northwestern worth as much Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, or Nebraska?

If UConn replaced Purdue, or Vanderbilt, or Wake Forest, would the conference pay outs go down?

Let's imagine this conference: Boston College, Wake Forest, Purdue, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Baylor, TCU, Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Utah. Do those schools make anywhere near as much as they make now in this conference? Did their value drop suddenly?

Or, since Oklahoma State's value is 10x more, let's imagine this conference: Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, USF, East Carolina, Northern Illinois, Marshall, UMass, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico, San Diego State. Still getting the same payout?

The answer, obviously, is that they are not. And their "value" did not suddenly drop despite payouts going down significantly. Thus, a conference pay out is not reflective a school's worth.

Or, in case this was misunderstood: an individual school's worth is not necessarily reflective in what the conference as a whole is paid. See UConn, AAC. Some schools are paid more than they are worth because of conference affiliation, others less. That's what conferences do.

Or, if that isn't simple enough, do you think UConn was worth more money under the old Big East contract than they are now, despite the fact that they have now won two titles?

The money a school gets from its conference has a lot to do with a school's individual worth.

If you think otherwise on this front, you are being obviously obtuse.

 

[WestHartHusk]

I am getting really fuc&in tired college football, and the way people like Okielite use it to minimize every other institutional short-coming of their respective schools. When college football begins to wane in popularity due to injury (and it will due to the fact that the game is 4 hours long, fear of concussions, exclusive posture of the "P5"), I can't wait for OSU to take its rightful place at the bottom of the heap. LAffin. Until then, enjoy basking in the reflection of OU and TU.

 

[okielite]

I didn't lose anything. I'm simply trying to have a rational conversation here and you insult my intelligence. LAffin. Get a grip. Sheesh, no need to throw stones from your glass house. LAffin. If UCONN is such an irrelevant program in a worthless market, then why are our TV ratings through the roof? Why do we have our own regional sports contract? LAffin. UCONN had more fans in the parking lot tailgating 4 hours before their Spring Game than OSU had at their Spring Game! LAffin. Get a grip. Don't throw stones from a glass house because it will shatter all over you! You like to dish it out but can't handle a dose of the truth. Get some Pampers for okielite, because we have a Boneyard baby! If you don't like insults, then don't insult people . You know what they say about people who can dish it out but can't take it? LAffin. Stones. Glass houses. Baby. LAffin.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thanks. Keep up the good work.

They are not through the roof. you had 1 market in the top 10, Kentucky had the remaining 9. Any TV ratings from that game were likely from Kentucky fans not UConn fans. And for FB the entire NE is worthless. Look at the TV ratings I posted.

You have your own regional sports contract? I thought you gave the AAC all your content. You guys need to get together and figure out your story first. If you have no content to sell I have no idea what you are talking about selling other than coaches shows and radio crap which all schools do.

I played nice until you decided to start something you cant' finish. Now I'm telling it like it is and backing up every statement with numbers to confirm that it's true. The numbers dont' make you look good at all but they are true. Wanna keep going?

 

[okielite]

I am getting really fuc&in tired college football, and the way people like Okielite use it to minimize every other institutional short-coming of their respective schools. When college football begins to wane in popularity due to injury (and it will due to the fact that the game is 4 hours long, fear of concussions, exclusive posture of the "P5"), I can't wait for OSU to take its rightful place at the bottom of the heap. LAffin. Until then, enjoy basking in the reflection of OU and TU.

Your fans insulted me, I insulted back. If you can't take it, dont' dish it out. OSU has accomplished more than UConn likely ever will. We have over 50NC's compared to your 15. It' s not even close. Not to mention BCS wins, Heisman trophies, etc...

Keep insulting my school and I will point out how it compares to yours.

Keep copying my Laffin, I really think it's funny.