Tim Boyle

[Stainmaster]

Umm, I was at Boyle's first game against USF. Early on, he threw a bomb to Deshon Foxx...hit him right in stride...and the pass was dropped. Some in the stands were joking that he missed it because our receivers weren't used to seeing perfect passes. Perhaps some truth there, others he threw later were too long, but that one, I believe it was his first long ball, was not overthrown at all. Thought it was an ominous sign at the time.

It's the QB's job to throw passes his receivers can catch.

 

[Chief00]

It's the QB's job to throw passes his receivers can catch.

Can catch and actually catch are two different things. And Chief doesn’t entirely blame the receivers, it takes time to adjust to a pro style release and velocity.
It like catching a twilight league pitcher and then catching a Major League pitcher with a 95 miles per hour fastball. It’s an adjustment, you don’t do it well on the fly. You also need to adjust the routes because he can make throws others couldn’t.

 

[Stainmaster]

Until you get hired as a head coach or GM of an NFL team, you are wrong.

I don't care where he is now. When he was at UConn, he played terribly, and this is backed up by both statistics and the eye test.

You bring up his arm strength over and over again, and it's completely irrelevant. Arm strength didn't make Steve Dalkowski a great pitcher, did it?

 

[lavuuk153]

Can catch and actually catch are two different things. And Chief doesn’t entirely blame the receivers, it takes time to adjust to a pro style release and velocity.
It like catching a twilight league pitcher and then catching a Major League pitcher with a 95 miles per hour fastball. It’s an adjustment, you don’t do it well on the fly. You also need to adjust the routes because he can make throws others couldn’t.

Agreed on the difference but shouldn't the QB also adjust to guys that can't handle his fastball?

 

[Stainmaster]

Can catch and actually catch are two different things. And Chief doesn’t entirely blame the receivers, it takes time to adjust to a pro style release and velocity.
It like catching a twilight league pitcher and then catching a Major League pitcher with a 95 miles per hour fastball. It’s an adjustment, you don’t do it well on the fly. You also need to adjust the routes because he can make throws others couldn’t.

Major League pitchers don't just throw hard. They know how to hit their spots, vary their speed, and deliver the ball in a way that gives the best possible outcome.

You ought to take your own advice and let the rest of us coach your casual understanding up.

 

[Chief00]

I don't care where he is now. When he was at UConn, he played terribly, and this is backed up by both statistics and the eye test.

You bring up his arm strength over and over again, and it's completely irrelevant. Arm strength didn't make Steve Dalkowski a great pitcher, did it?

You have no vision. He had the talent here, it just wasn’t coached right in a workable offensive system.
I believe he just beat out a guy who was the 51st pick in the draft and one of the top QB’s coming out of college. Yet, to believe you, he wasn’t good enough to play on UConn’s team.

 

[Stainmaster]

You have no vision. He had the talent here, it just wasn’t presented right in a workable offensive system.

"Vision?" What nonsense is this?

We are fans of the University of Connecticut football program here. We care about who can help us win in the given moment, not who gives you the highest reading on a radar gun. Perhaps if you develop an attachment to the team and begin following them as closely as we do, rather than using this board as group therapy for your self-confidence issues, you will begin to understand this.

 

[Excalibur]

Umm, I was at Boyle's first game against USF. Early on, he threw a bomb to Deshon Foxx...hit him right in stride...and the pass was dropped. Some in the stands were joking that he missed it because our receivers weren't used to seeing perfect passes. Perhaps some truth there, others he threw later were too long, but that one, I believe it was his first long ball, was not overthrown at all. Thought it was an ominous sign at the time.

I was also at the game. Two, maybe three drops. At least a dozen airmailed balls. Constantly high, almost without exception. I commented on his ability to scan the field, go through progressions, etc. and thought that if he could just bring his throws down he could be good . . .

 

[Chief00]

But what the poster who recognizes what posters recognize about casual fans doesn't recognize is the passes bounced off finger tips because the receivers were a 1/4 step slow. Boyle was throwing where the ball needed to be thrown.

True, and Chief has the pro philosophy if it’s in your hands you catch it. Get stronger hands if you can’t man up.

 

[Chief00]

Agreed on the difference but shouldn't the QB also adjust to guys that can't handle his fastball?

Yes, I suppose but a freshman and then sophomore with a merry go round of coaching.

 

[Pudge]

One Touchdown and 13 Interceptions

It’s hard to grasp this revisionist history when you ponder the product. Boyle obviously had massive talent. And today we are finding him in his moment. But nobody should feel like he didn’t have playing time; that he got his adequate time at QB at Storrs. Poorly coached? Undeniably. But you can’t make it far beyond those numbers.

 

[Chief00]

"Vision?" What nonsense is this?

We are fans of the University of Connecticut football program here. We care about who can help us win in the given moment, not who gives you the highest reading on a radar gun. Perhaps if you develop an attachment to the team and begin following them as closely as we do, rather than using this board as group therapy for your self-confidence issues, you will begin to understand this.

I would have confidence issues if I had your dismal track record of being wrong 24/7.

 

[Chief00]

One Touchdown and 13 Interceptions

It’s hard to grasp this revisionist history when you ponder the product. Boyle obviously had massive talent. And today we are finding him in his moment. But nobody should feel like he didn’t have playing time; that he got his adequate time at QB at Storrs. Poorly coached? Undeniably. But you can’t make it far beyond those numbers.

Then how come I and a few others saw the talent through these numbers and most didn’t? To blame a freshman and sophomore who was put in a horrible system behind a poor OL and basically after TJ left every play was telegraphed.

 

[Pudge]

Then how come I and a few others saw the talent through these numbers and most didn’t? To blame a freshman and sophomore who was put in a horrible system behind a poor OL and basically after TJ left every play was telegraphed.

Do I have to quote Bill Parcells on you.

You are that 1 TD 13 INT guy. Accountable. Must show leadership & capacity to rise. You can’t just blame the PP & Diaco reigns.

In my view of life ... Boyle might be far better in his Pro arc for those UCONN years. A great Aaron Rodgers to mentor. Solid System. Does not mean people here did not see the arm talent. From the first series. But it broke down ... and that’s more than I want to put 100% on the Coaches he was under.

 

[whaler11]

Boyle played a great quarter and a half against USF.

Had Weist left him in they would have gone 0-12.

Huzzah!

 

[Chief00]

Do I have to quote Bill Parcells on you.

You are that 1 TD 13 INT guy. Accountable. Must show leadership & capacity to rise. You can’t just blame the PP & Diaco reigns.

In my view of life ... Boyle might be far better in his Pro arc for those UCONN years. A great Aaron Rodgers to mentor. Solid System. Does not mean people here did not see the arm talent. From the first series. But it broke down ... and that’s more than I want to put 100% on the Coaches he was under.

I think your point about Aaron Rogers being a great mentor sums it up - when a freshman/sophomore walks into a situation with musical chair changing coaching, a collapsing offensive line and a bizarre coaching philosophy that the defense should outscore the other team - you are destined to get bad stats. For me it’s hard to reach the conclusion it’s the young QB’s fault since he should have a QB mentor on the coaching staff. I recognize many here are locked into the position they took at the time and therefore will never be objective about the talent that was right before our eyes.

 

[uconndogs]

P and Deleone were poison. I heard enough and saw enough to come to that conclusion. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you f up a culture you get what we got.

Boyle's failed development at UCONN was a symptom of much deeper problems.

 

[rich1122]

If anything his success with the Packers proves that he should have been a 4 year starter here what were we THINKING

He would have been, except he threw 50 interceptions.

 

[Pudge]

I’m suddenly rooting bigtime for Tim Boyle & the Packers. He’s our guy & we all should have had better UConn Football the last 7 years.

 

[businesslawyer]

Then how come I and a few others saw the talent through these numbers and most didn’t? To blame a freshman and sophomore who was put in a horrible system behind a poor OL and basically after TJ left every play was telegraphed.

He played for the same interim coach, behind the same O Line, that a redshirt frosh named Cochrane played for. And Cochrane lit it up.

He sucked when he was here. Plain and simple. Lots of folks knew he had the arm strength to succeed if and when he had the mental part down. But making excuses for his performance here is ludicrous. He wasn't any good. Good for him that he's succeeding in the NFL. So what?

 

[superjohn]

I don't care where he is now. When he was at UConn, he played terribly, and this is backed up by both statistics and the eye test.

You bring up his arm strength over and over again, and it's completely irrelevant. Arm strength didn't make Steve Dalkowski a great pitcher, did it?

He played on a horrendous team with a horrendous staff, the talent has clearly always been there and we're seeing it play out.

 

[superjohn]

He played for the same interim coach, behind the same O Line, that a redshirt frosh named Cochrane played for. And Cochrane lit it up.

He sucked when he was here. Plain and simple. Lots of folks knew he had the arm strength to succeed if and when he had the mental part down. But making excuses for his performance here is ludicrous. He wasn't any good. Good for him that he's succeeding in the NFL. So what?

So what? So coaching matters. Cochran was pretty much ready to be a D1 QB when he got to college but had little upside. Boyle wasn't ready yet but had a ton of upside that could be realized with excellent coaching. UConn football clearly hasn't ever been the place for excellent coaching.

 

[Palatine]

Boyle should have had two TD passes and no interceptions after his first quarter against USF. Both passes were flat out dropped. Could a different outcome on those plays have changed his trajectory at UConn? We'll never know. But anyone with a set of eyes could have seen his talent. We had guys at the helm that could have screwed up a wet dream.

 

[HuskyHawk]

So what? So coaching matters. Cochran was pretty much ready to be a D1 QB when he got to college but had little upside. Boyle wasn't ready yet but had a ton of upside that could be realized with excellent coaching. UConn football clearly hasn't ever been the place for excellent coaching.

Argue with you often but not here. Boyle had all the physical tools and could make big time throws as a freshman. But he didn't know how to handle the pressure, make quick good decisions with the ball and read defenses. That's normal. Most freshmen can't do that in the faster FBS game. Add to it our generally weak receiver talent and he didn't get a fair chance to succeed.

Casey had better intangibles and a better feel for how to play the position, with less natural talent and upside. I know we see a lot of true freshman playing well as big time QBs lately, like Trevor Lawrence, but historically it's not normal even for 5 star kids.

Glad Boyle is succeeding. Wish it had been different for him here. It was a big thing when he committed to UConn.

 

[whaler11]

Boyle played in his 5th game as a True Freshman.

He stunk to holy hell after the first 20 minutes.

Cochran outplayed him by miles.

He left.

As bad as everyone attached to the program is - they lost every game he played by a billion - then he got outplayed. Other than talking him into staying what the hell was anyone supposed to do?

 

[superjohn]

Boyle played in his 5th game as a True Freshman.

He stunk to holy hell after the first 20 minutes.

Cochran outplayed him by miles.

He left.

As bad as everyone attached to the program is - they lost every game he played by a billion - then he got outplayed. Other than talking him into staying what the hell was anyone supposed to do?

It's just symptomatic of the whole wretched program. One of the most talented prospects they've ever brought in and we got nothing out of him.

 

[noeynox]

It's just symptomatic of the whole wretched program. One of the most talented prospects they've ever brought in and we got nothing out of him.

In both terms of ranking and ability. It was unfair to toss him in the middle of that debacle but we all need to get over it.

 

[Chief00]

He played for the same interim coach, behind the same O Line, that a redshirt frosh named Cochrane played for. And Cochrane lit it up.

He sucked when he was here. Plain and simple. Lots of folks knew he had the arm strength to succeed if and when he had the mental part down. But making excuses for his performance here is ludicrous. He wasn't any good. Good for him that he's succeeding in the NFL. So what?

Casey had a year of experience in the system and coach mentoring his entire life. He lit it up for three games against weak competition with TJ running the show. I know the bad stats that every casual fan without a vision cite. But, while Casey was more poised - he did not have the upside.
And a “so what” about a UConn QB making the NFL and being the #2 guy for the Packers. Gee you must see an abundance of UConn Football success stories - I don’t see. A fair question - will he go on the wall with other UConn NFL guys? Perhaps not due to him transferring and how he was misused?

 

[uconndogs]

Casey had a year of experience in the system and coach mentoring his entire life. He lit it up for three games against weak competition with TJ running the show. I know the bad stats that every casual fan without a vision cite. But, while Casey was more poised - he did not have the upside.
And a “so what” about a UConn QB making the NFL and being the #2 guy for the Packers. Gee you must see an abundance of UConn Football success stories - I don’t see. A fair question - will he go on the wall with other UConn NFL guys? Perhaps not due to him transferring and how he was misused?

You know what Chief? I think you know jack about football. I don’t know much more, but I know that. Lighten up with the “casual fan” shit. It got old the first time you posted it.

 

[Pudge]

This notion that Chief saw Talent the rest of us didn't is ludicrous.

The bottom line is ... to be a QB at this level (UConn - BE or AAC; then NFL) is far beyond arm talent. Even if he had a lot more physical talent than Casey C., we all know that Cochran figured out how to get the ball catchable when he was on the field. No doubt Boyle felt he was missing coaching & better receivers & seeing too much pressure ... but you tough it out & figure out how to make it work. He got better here; he got better at Eastern Kentucky; and he is in a different level of Play now ... and it all fits well.