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FfldCntyFan said:
The issue was GDL. Nebric (along with a handful of other players) werectold in no uncertain terms that they were not wanted. They didn't fit the mold (P often used the term "prototype") that the new staff wanted. Sadly, the long, painful demise of our program began the day P was hired

I'm done getting angry with the past. There are bright days ahead, let's focus on that.
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People point to P's love affair with GDL, and that was certainly a large part of the problem, but to me the bigger part was that P and FHCRE clearly didn't like each other from their time together as assistants at Syracuse, and that seemed to cause P to take the position that whatever Edsall had done now had to be done differently. The Costanza "doing the opposite" plan worked on Seinfeld, but in real life that's not a plan -- it's just a reaction that isn't going to get you a good result.

But FCF is right -- the (incredibly painful and miserable) past can't be undone and is gone. Let's see what Mora can do going forward. We don't have much longer to start finding out.
 
businesslawyer said:
People point to P's love affair with GDL, and that was certainly a large part of the problem, but to me the bigger part was that P and FHCRE clearly didn't like each other from their time together as assistants at Syracuse, and that seemed to cause P to take the position that whatever Edsall had done now had to be done differently. The Costanza "doing the opposite" plan worked on Seinfeld, but in real life that's not a plan -- it's just a reaction that isn't going to get you a good result.

But FCF is right -- the (incredibly painful and miserable) past can't be undone and is gone. Let's see what Mora can do going forward. We don't have much longer to start finding out.
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Please enough of PP and GDL and Edsall. Let’s move forward . We have an extremely competent Head Coach who has totally changed the way we recruit. I think there is going to be a tremendous improvement and I don’t believe it is going to take years .
 
Johnny Mac put one of our more memorable blooper plays on film when he allowed a defender to effortlessly take the ball from him for a TD while he was standing in the endzone deciding what to do. I think it was against Cincy.
 
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gopher2 said:
Johnny Mac put one of our more memorable blooper plays on film when he allowed a defender to effortlessly take the ball from him for a TD while he was standing in the endzone deciding what to do. I think it was against Cincy.
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That was a defensive end who I believe had a pretty solid NFL career. It was Cincy. I remember the play because my impression immediately was it was like a 13 year old brother playing against his 7 year old sibling. It looked that bad.
 
TMB4405 said:
That was a defensive end who I believe had a pretty solid NFL career. It was Cincy. I remember the play because my impression immediately was it was like a 13 year old brother playing against his 7 year old sibling. It looked that bad.
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It was Walt Stewart, a buddy of mine knew his family. Not sure if he played in the league though.
 
RSTuthill said:
Nebrich saw the handwriting on the wall after a year of that and followed Moorehead.
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FfldCntyFan said:
The issue was GDL. Nebric (along with a handful of other players) werectold in no uncertain terms that they were not wanted. They didn't fit the mold (P often used the term "prototype") that the new staff wanted. Sadly, the long, painful demise of our program began the day P was hired
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businesslawyer said:
People point to P's love affair with GDL, and that was certainly a large part of the problem, but to me the bigger part was that P and FHCRE clearly didn't like each other from their time together as assistants at Syracuse, and that seemed to cause P to take the position that whatever Edsall had done now had to be done differently.
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husky10 said:
I am not sure this is fair. PP recruited over Johnny McEntee at his first opportunity.

How often did true freshmen play significant QB roles in college football in 2011? I don't think it was personal, but I could see PP being "old school" and wanting an upper classman as QB. My assumption is this is that Michael Nebrich was just following a coach that recruited him and he liked.

I am not trying to defend PP. He took a defense that probably could have made the NFL playoffs and could not manage them to a Bowl game, 2 years in a row.


I believe he was an early enrollee in the spring on 2011, but that was post
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I had not heard this, but the 3 of you are saying essentially the same thing, I take back my previous post. I despise the man for his part in destroying a program that I love, but I guess I was giving him too much credit.
 
It's been a while since we had four very talented QB's competing for the job. It reminds me of the august competition nine years ago when we had true freshman Boyle and Lagow, sophomore Cochran, and junior Whitmer competing, that was a talented foursome much like we have now. Lagow left as soon as he realized he wasn't getting the job and he ended up having the best college career of the four. The biggest difference is none of those QB's were dual threat and we (hopefully) have competent people at the helm now.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
It's been a while since we had four very talented QB's competing for the job. It reminds me of the august competition nine years ago when we had true freshman Boyle and Lagow, sophomore Cochran, and junior Whitmer competing, that was a talented foursome much like we have now. Lagow left as soon as he realized he wasn't getting the job and he ended up having the best college career of the four. The biggest difference is none of those QB's were dual threat and we (hopefully) have competent people at the helm now.
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Of course, we started 0-9 that year.
 
businesslawyer said:
Of course, we started 0-9 that year.
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When you have a coaching staff that thinks the best way to push the ball down the field is when you have successive plays that make 2 or 3 yards and a ball of dust, then 0-9 becomes a strong possibility.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Of course, we started 0-9 that year.
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CONN78SEJ said:
When you have a coaching staff that thinks the best way to push the ball down the field is when you have successive plays that make 2 or 3 yards and a ball of dust, then 0-9 becomes a strong possibility.
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Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, it was really because our offensive line had deteriorated under Coach P to become one of the worst pass blocking lines in the country. The fact that none of the 4 quarterbacks mentioned were very mobile didn't help either.
 
Tdaley said:
Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, it was really because our offensive line had deteriorated under Coach P to become one of the worst pass blocking lines in the country. The fact that none of the 4 quarterbacks mentioned were very mobile didn't help either.
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The last 10 years have become a blur of bad memories for me, but there was a stretch of time where defenders seemed to come untouched into our backfield on almost every play. Running backs were hit as they took handoffs and QBs were sacked before they could set their feet.
 
businesslawyer said:
Of course, we started 0-9 that year.
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That was a terrible coaching staff. P's defensive prowess was really exposed when Brown left and weight lifting seemed optional back then. I remember the reporter from the Waterbury Republican commenting how small the lineman looked, boy was he right, Towson shoved the ball down our throat. Lagow was smart and knew how to deal with that staff, just like Nebrich the year before.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
That was a terrible coaching staff. P's defensive prowess was really exposed when Brown left and weight lifting seemed optional back then. I remember the reporter from the Waterbury Republican commenting how small the lineman looked, boy was he right, Towson shoved the ball down our throat. Lagow was smart and knew how to deal with that staff, just like Nebrich the year before.
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It's called voting with your feet. But gosh, it took Lagow awhile to find his billet. Two years as I recall?
 
RSTuthill said:
It's called voting with your feet. But gosh, it took Lagow awhile to find his billet. Two years as I recall?
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Yeah, but he ended with an opportunity to play, albeit at the P5 level. Woulda/Coulda/Shoulda been doing that with us instead of Indiana
 
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RSTuthill said:
It's called voting with your feet. But gosh, it took Lagow awhile to find his billet. Two years as I recall?
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He would have started rather quickly if he stuck it out. But the kid clearly needed an attitude adjustment before he was going to have any success.

The UConn tell all book that I want to read is what happened to Tim Boyle for him to not get a sniff and end up on the Packers? How did he get that good?
 
SubbaBub said:
He would have started rather quickly if he stuck it out. But the kid clearly needed an attitude adjustment before he was going to have any success.

The UConn tell all book that I want to read is what happened to Tim Boyle for him to not get a sniff and end up on the Packers? How did he get that good?
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That would be interesting.

I think the thing that pleases me the most about HCJM is that he seems to feel very comfortable in his own skin. Under little pressure to do certain things just to establish that he is the new big man in town rather than doing things just because they make sense.
 
I think the writing was on the wall that basically QB coaching levels we've had over the past decade ( especially right before JM took over ) was/has been lacking. Sounds to me like we've had that QB talent all along, but didn't have the right guys to develop them properly. Mix in the fact that we were/have been considered laughing stock in the FBS rankings because of the constant losing, how do you dig out of that hole?

I truly feel like we've done just that with coach JM and his staff.
 
SubbaBub said:
The UConn tell all book that I want to read is what happened to Tim Boyle for him to not get a sniff and end up on the Packers? How did he get that good?
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It's not complicated, Shirreffs was the better college QB for us because he could run the ball. Boyle always had NFL physicality but with poor coaching and poor line play he was never going to succeed here. If Boyle played for UCONN 10 years earlier, redshirt his freshman year and was coached up, he probably could have been another Orlovsky.
 
metsfan2323 said:
It's not complicated, Shirreffs was the better college QB for us because he could run the ball. Boyle always had NFL physicality but with poor coaching and poor line play he was never going to succeed here. If Boyle played for UCONN 10 years earlier, redshirt his freshman year and was coached up, he probably could have been another Orlovsky.
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Actually ktuck911 hit it on the head, we had some great QB talent over the years but had lousy QB coaching, with the exception of Joe Moorehead. The list of talented QB’s who were badly coached and mismanaged, and the ones that saw that and left is a long one. Boyle, Jay Rose, Mike Nebrich, Lagow, Cochran, and a couple others I’m forgetting.
 
businesslawyer said:
Of course, we started 0-9 that year.
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LOL, remember when you used to be the biggest booster for this team? I do.

(yes, I get it was a joke.)
 
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metsfan2323 said:
It's not complicated, Shirreffs was the better college QB for us because he could run the ball. Boyle always had NFL physicality but with poor coaching and poor line play he was never going to succeed here. If Boyle played for UCONN 10 years earlier, redshirt his freshman year and was coached up, he probably could have been another Orlovsky.
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I tend to agree. The QB's get a lot of attention and while flawed in various ways, the starters haven't had the protection nor the confidence to run anything other than a limited playbook. Still, I can't think of one who could consistently read defenses worth a damn.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
Actually ktuck911 hit it on the head, we had some great QB talent over the years but had lousy QB coaching, with the exception of Joe Moorehead. The list of talented QB’s who were badly coached and mismanaged, and the ones that saw that and left is a long one. Boyle, Jay Rose, Mike Nebrich, Lagow, Cochran, and a couple others I’m forgetting.
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Jay Rose was never thought to be a QB at UCONN.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
By who? Coaches, I mean, not knowitalls on the Boneyard. Rose had offers to play QB at hundreds of other D1 schools.
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I can tell you he did not. Hundreds? Really? Great athlete, but not a QB.
 
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