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I am still worried about this. Stories are coming out that ND prefers ACC over B10 for a conference. Although PSU may be more of a long shot, Joe Pa wanted an Eastern sports conference and here it is as most of the old Eastern Independants are in the ACC: Pitt, BC, Syracuse, Miami, FSU, and Maryland is there as well. It's now or never for PSU.

It is not a coincidence that the ACC left 2 spots open. One is for ND if they want it. PSU is welcome to take the other.

I think ACC's order of preference for 15 and 16 (Texas and Texas Tech were never a real option):

1) ND and PSU
2) ND and UConn
3) UConn and Rutgers

The Big 10 can preempt the ACC by offering ND as well as Rutgers and UConn (as well as one other team) for an Eastern presence which would satisfy PSU to stay.
 
upstater said:
ND makes about $8 million a year from it's TV contract. Purdue makes $25 million.
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I believe it is closer to $12, and the hoops schools are going to get a big payday when they go back to market, taking their $2.5/team to $6-8 or more. All ND would have to do is call NBC and tell them they are thinking about joining the Big 10, and I bet NBC bumps the deal to $15 or more.

ND does not need to do anything.
 
UConnJim said:
I am still worried about this. Stories are coming out that ND prefers ACC over B10 for a conference. Although PSU may be more of a long shot, Joe Pa wanted an Eastern sports conference and here it is as most of the old Eastern Independants are in the ACC: Pitt, BC, Syracuse, Miami, FSU, and Maryland is there as well. It's now or never for PSU.

It is not a coincidence that the ACC left 2 spots open. One is for ND if they want it. PSU is welcome to take the other.

I think ACC's order of preference for 15 and 16 (Texas and Texas Tech were never a real option):

1) ND and PSU
2) ND and UConn
3) UConn and Rutgers

The Big 10 can preempt the ACC by offering ND as well as Rutgers and UConn (as well as one other team) for an Eastern presence which would satisfy PSU to stay.
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I don't think ND goes to the Big10, ever. they have had an open invite for many years. They are afraid of the regionalism. They don't want a conference period, but if they have to bite the bullet, the ACC fits the demographic much better. Now more than ever with the addition of Syr and Pit, traditional rivals. Here's hoping they find a reason to decline, leaving the door open for CT.
 
Number of reasons.

1) Academically, ACC (Duke, UNC, UVA, BC, GT) is equal if not better than B10
2) PSU would instantly become the big dog in a northern division in football
3) Much easier travel for teams and fans
4) Joe Pa always wanted an Eastern conference. Here it is.
5) Demographically, Southeast and Mid Atlantic are growing. Midwest is shrinking.
6) if both ND and PSU joined, dollars between ACC and B10 would be close
7) Is PSU really a Midwestern or an Eastern team?
 
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UConnJim said:
Number of reasons.

1) Academically, ACC (Duke, UNC, UVA, BC, GT) is equal if not better than B10

NO, IT'S NOT

5) Demographically, Southeast and Mid Atlantic are growing. Midwest is shrinking.

A demographic change like that would take a century for it to make any difference. We're talking about massive schools in the Big Ten. In the ACC, you have four schools within 60 miles of one another in Carolina. Sure, the region is growing, but there are four schools there, and two of them are tiny. How long is it going to take those schools to catch up to PSU, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin and all the fans that watch those teams?

6) if both ND and PSU joined, dollars between ACC and B10 would be close

No, they would not come anywhere near the Big10. Again, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin--lotsa eyeballs.

7) Is PSU really a Midwestern or an Eastern team?
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Having lived in Happy Valley, it's closer to the Midwest, though most of its students come from the Philly area.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I believe it is closer to $12, and the hoops schools are going to get a big payday when they go back to market, taking their $2.5/team to $6-8 or more. All ND would have to do is call NBC and tell them they are thinking about joining the Big 10, and I bet NBC bumps the deal to $15 or more.

ND does not need to do anything.
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Where are you coming up with this $6-8 million?
 
Interesting fact. Excluding Pennsylvania, there almost 4x more PSU alumni in ACC states than in current B10 states.

Top 11 States for PSU alums:
1) PA
2) NJ
3) VA
4) MD
5) NY
6) CA
7) FL
8) OH
9) NC
10) TX
11) MA
 
interesting^, i just don't think psu comes to the acc. if the acc had even a sniff of it, don't you think they add cuse and either ruty or uconn instead of pitt. why add pitt if psu is calling?
 
Stop the madness! The holy grail for the ACC is TX and ND. Penn State ain't coming. Thankfully, for us, neither is TX or ND.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Stop the madness! The holy grail for the ACC is TX and ND. Penn State ain't coming. Thankfully, for us, neither is TX or ND.
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While I agree on all points, I wish I could be so confident. I am confident we end up in the ACC eventually but I keep going back and forth between confidence and that uneasy feeling in my stomach.
 
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Pitt and SU were already knocking on the ACC's door. UConn wasn't. Pitt and SU bring basketball and hopefully ND and PSU bring football.
 
UConnJim said:
Pitt and SU were already knocking on the ACC's door. UConn wasn't. Pitt and SU bring basketball and hopefully ND and PSU bring football.
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Hopefully I can get some sleep tonight.
 
UConnJim said:
Pitt and SU were already knocking on the ACC's door. UConn wasn't. Pitt and SU bring basketball and hopefully ND and PSU bring football.
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So PSU is going to hamstring itself and take $10 million less a year in order to....

Uhhhhh????
 
ESPN's bottom line just stated that ND told Andy Katz that their preference is to remain in the Big East and independent in football but if they end up forced to join a conference for all sports, the ACC would be their first choice.

This will put the ACC in a permanent holding pattern, screwing us (and possibly the rest of the football schools) in the process.
 
ND can play in the All Catholic Conference -ACC :cool: Or the BCE - Big Catholic East - or the NDNFF - Notre Dame No Football Federation

Not a bad conference for BB. 10 Team - 18 Home and Home games.

ND
STJ
SH
Prov
Vil
GT
Depaul
Marq
Add - Xavier - St Joes or Dayton
 
Upstater, ACC is as good if hotter an academic conference as the ACC. Using the recent US news ratings, here are the stats:

Big 10. ACC
1) Northwestern 12. 1) Duke 10
2) Michigan 28. 2) UVA 25
3) Wisconsin 42. 3) WFU 25
4) Penn St. 45. 4) UNC 29
5) Illinois 45. 5) BC 31
6) Ohio State 55. 6) GT 36
7) Purdue 62. 7) Miami 38
8) Minnesota 68. 8) Maryland 55
9) Mich St. 71. 9) Pitt 58
10) Iowa 71. 10) Syracuse 62
11) Indiana 75. 11) Clemson 68
12) Nebraska 101. 12) VT 71
13) FL St. 101
14) NC St. 101

By the numbers, ACC is better, but I think the two are comparable.

What about the candidates?

ND 19
Texas 45 (clearly too high)
UConn 58
Rutgers 68
Missouri 90
Iowa St 97
TCU 97
Kansas 101
Kansas State 143
Cincinnati 143
Texas Tech 160
Louisville 164
 
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UConnJim said:
Upstater, ACC is as good if hotter an academic conference as the ACC. Using the recent US news ratings, here are the stats:

Big 10. ACC
1) Northwestern 12. 1) Duke 10
2) Michigan 28. 2) UVA 25
3) Wisconsin 42. 3) WFU 25
4) Penn St. 45. 4) UNC 29
5) Illinois 45. 5) BC 31
6) Ohio State 55. 6) GT 36
7) Purdue 62. 7) Miami 38
8) Minnesota 68. 8) Maryland 55
9) Mich St. 71. 9) Pitt 58
10) Iowa 71. 10) Syracuse 62
11) Indiana 75. 11) Clemson 68
12) Nebraska 101. 12) VT 71
13) FL St. 101
14) NC St. 101

By the numbers, ACC is better, but I think the two are comparable.

What about the candidates?

ND 19
Texas 45 (clearly too high)
UConn 58
Rutgers 68
Missouri 90
Iowa St 97
TCU 97
Kansas 101
Kansas State 143
Cincinnati 143
Texas Tech 160
Louisville 164
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I have absolutely no interest in going through bogus rankings with you. Any ranking that puts Wake Forest ahead of Wisconsin is by default idiotic. That Clemson would be even mentioned in the same breath as Indiana defies belief.
 
Upstater, I agree with you that the ratings are a joke! My point is that the top of the ACC, Duke, UVA, UNC, BC are as good if not better academic institutions than the Big 10. Thus, PSU could justify a move to the ACC would not hurt academics.
 
I think it's about academics and research. Small private universities may have good academics but can't compare with big public universities as far as research goes (for the most part, obviously there are some like Duke for example that are good in both.)
 
UCONNJACK said:
PSU is not leaving the B10 for the ACC. I could see ND/UConn as a package to the ACC.
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That would be sweet for UConn. For me, that is the best end result for our football and basketball programs.
 
UConnJim said:
Upstater, I agree with you that the ratings are a joke! My point is that the top of the ACC, Duke, UVA, UNC, BC are as good if not better academic institutions than the Big 10. Thus, PSU could justify a move to the ACC would not hurt academics.
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And I'm saying they are not. They're just not as good. Duke, UVa, UNC are really good. But those are the only 3 stellar ones. They are more than matched by Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Penn State.
 
As long as Texas keeps it's own network, the egos at the Golden Dome won't let ND join a conference.
 
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