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I was only able to sit down and fully watch the game for the 4th quarter, so I’m not the one who is going to be able to tell you why our D’s inability to play anything resembling footballl is inadequate personnel, poor tackling, schemes and/or lack of effort (although for a result that poor all four almost have to be involved). So my thoughts this week are going to be more general.

Saturday was a kick in the gonads. I had thought we were beyond being able to lose a game like that. And the way we lost it — in Touchdown Husky wet dream fashion, where we were able to move the ball and score but looked unable to keep a tuna sandwich from breaking out of the refrigerator — was even more disappointing to me, because some level of D should be able to be played just on desire, as opposed to offense where if you don’t have the weapons there is not going to be much you can do. But that loss brought into play two factors. First, we were not as good last year as many of us thought/hoped we were. We were 8-0 outside the power conference teams, but none of the 8 were any good. Buffalo, at best, was marginal, and the other seven frankly sucked. And while the win against UNC counts, and absolutely was a feather in our cap (in addition to a great day), it’s always dangerous to read too much into bowl games, because of the long break between the end of the regular season and the bowl and the fact that different teams take the games more seriously, results don’t always really measure progress. Second, as I’ve said repeatedly, we lost 10 defensive starters and only one of the six LBs and DL this year were even on the roster last year, and we had no friggin idea how the defense would be. It did the job against Central, overall did well at Syracuse (great for 53 minutes and then a collapse), and then was a no show Saturday. The loss leaves a stain, but the season is by no means over. The next 3 games are winnable, 2 are at home (it matters a lot) and with defensive efforts like the first 1 3/4 games we should be fine. Get to 4-2 at the halfway point and see where you are. The stain of Saturday will not go away but the goal of reaching last year’s record should not be abandoned quite yet either.

Having eliminated the absurd punting snap problems, there was little to say about specials Saturday. Everyone did their job but it had little effect on the game either way.

I haven’t read it all but blaming the loss on JF, which I saw a good deal of, is beyond dumb and borders on the insane. Could we have won if he was better? Sure, but that’s the case in 99% of losses in which your QB isn’t an all American. Yeah, he missed some throws. He’s not Tom Brady. And yeah, his legs don’t scare the other team. He’s not a dual threat QB. But the numbers don’t lie either. When you’re completing over 70% of your passes, throwing for 350 yards and never turning the ball over, the loss isn’t on your QB for goodness sakes. It’s obvious that the loss wasn’t on the offense at all, but if you want to blame the offense for the loss blame it for not having done more with the running game. If I discard the one long run by Edwards and the one long run for Rosa, we had 30 carries for 93 yards. That, the inability to consistently control the line of scrimmage for our running game was why we couldn’t make the plays in the red zone we needed to make to win. One last note — shout out to John Nieder who is looking like he might be our second best WR.

As I alluded to earlier, the defense (or, to be blunt, the lack of defense), was so horrific that I don’t even know how to analyze it. We couldn’t stop the run, we couldn’t stop the pass, we couldn’t defend third downs and we forced no turnovers. So I’m not going to bother with analysis. Yes, for this one game we did look like the Edsall pre-Covid worst defense in NCAA history, but we did so for one game after two competent performances. I’m not going to assume that Saturday was the new normal as opposed to a statistical aberration, at least not yet, and give up on the season.

Nor am I giving up on Mora due to one horrific loss on the road. Look, as I and others said when he was hired, we were not hiring a miracle worker. Nothing in his history showed him as such. We were hiring a professional who had experience competently managing the various aspects of improving a football team and winning games. And to date, he has done at least as much as fans could have asked for. Yesterday was more than a loss — unlike the loss at Syracuse, this one does make you take a harder look at where we are and what we have left to accomplish. And if the defense plays like it did Saturday multiple more times this year, then ask me where we’re going. But not because we sucked on one Saturday on the road. I’ve seen Notre Dame lose at home to the MAC and then play itself into a national championship game. I’ve seen MIchigan lose in the Big House to Appalachian State. Yes, stains were left but the programs weren’t set back years. Let’s see where we go from here, starting with a truly bad Ball State team at home.

One last note, as a Giants fan as well, I’ve watched three OT losses in 8 days. Enough already. Whatever I’m being punished for, please stop it before I stop watching football.
 
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Branch looks like he is being coached to contain instead of getting after it. No real firing off the line. They pitched inside him for a long run and iirc a subsequent penalty. Playing like he is not sure what to do.
 
Good recap. I agree with most except on Joe F. Yeah, we get it he isn’t Lamar Jackson. However, when it’s 3rd or 4th and 2 yards, it would be nice to have a QB who will scamper for the first down. Not whip a 90 mile an hour fastball behind the TE. It might be he can run, but chooses not to, or is coached/told not to.
 
Fagnano has (what?) one called run this season and he scored a TD. He should have a package. A bootleg run off a fake hand off, a designed quarterback draw, and a QB sneak/tush push.

Any of these would help keep defenses honest and open space for others. We need to integrate him into the running game. Delaware killed us with designed QB runs. No reason we don't do it. We had them for Turner and he couldn't run a lick.
 
Fagnano has (what?) one called run this season and he scored a TD. He should have a package. A bootleg run off a fake hand off, a designed quarterback draw, and a QB sneak/tush push.

Any of these would help keep defenses honest and open space for others. We need to integrate him into the running game. Delaware killed us with designed QB runs. No reason we don't do it. We had them for Turner and he couldn't run a lick.
Yep, we run zone option runs. With a QB that only chooses 1 option.
 
First of all, I love the tuna sandwich out of the refrigerator line. I'm going to steal it.

I agree with your analysis. The O looked good for most of the game. Joe made some bad throws at key times, but he played well overall. The D was terrible. The key issues to correct:
  • O-Line - Played well for 50 minutes against Cuse, but looked overmatched against CCSU and Delaware.
  • Linebackers - Anticipate, read the play, and attack the play. Be the actor, not the person being acted upon.
  • D-backs - Work on attack angles and wrap-up tackling.
 
Sober analysis Biz. Always look forward to 241's take.

Duncan Idaho talks about Branch, and apparent lack of direction. Have to think that Brock is still going crazy trying to figure out who can and can't do what with all the turnover. Pre-season only shows you so much, real action, particularly 2 OT games show you who can and who will make plays, and what type of schemes and play calling will work. To say he has his work cut out for him is the understatement of the year.

I think you can give Sammis a grade on work to date, don't think it is possible to grade Brock yet. I'm not a real FB guy, so while clearly the buck stops with Mora, I'm unsure how much he has to do with the minute to minute X's and O's.
 
I was only able to sit down and fully watch the game for the 4th quarter, so I’m not the one who is going to be able to tell you why our D’s inability to play anything resembling footballl is inadequate personnel, poor tackling, schemes and/or lack of effort (although for a result that poor all four almost have to be involved). So my thoughts this week are going to be more general.

Saturday was a kick in the gonads. I had thought we were beyond being able to lose a game like that. And the way we lost it — in Touchdown Husky wet dream fashion, where we were able to move the ball and score but looked unable to keep a tuna sandwich from breaking out of the refrigerator — was even more disappointing to me, because some level of D should be able to be played just on desire, as opposed to offense where if you don’t have the weapons there is not going to be much you can do. But that loss brought into play two factors. First, we were not as good last year as many of us thought/hoped we were. We were 8-0 outside the power conference teams, but none of the 8 were any good. Buffalo, at best, was marginal, and the other seven frankly sucked. And while the win against UNC counts, and absolutely was a feather in our cap (in addition to a great day), it’s always dangerous to read too much into bowl games, because of the long break between the end of the regular season and the bowl and the fact that different teams take the games more seriously, results don’t always really measure progress. Second, as I’ve said repeatedly, we lost 10 defensive starters and only one of the six LBs and DL this year were even on the roster last year, and we had no friggin idea how the defense would be. It did the job against Central, overall did well at Syracuse (great for 53 minutes and then a collapse), and then was a no show Saturday. The loss leaves a stain, but the season is by no means over. The next 3 games are winnable, 2 are at home (it matters a lot) and with defensive efforts like the first 1 3/4 games we should be fine. Get to 4-2 at the halfway point and see where you are. The stain of Saturday will not go away but the goal of reaching last year’s record should not be abandoned quite yet either.

Having eliminated the absurd punting snap problems, there was little to say about specials Saturday. Everyone did their job but it had little effect on the game either way.

I haven’t read it all but blaming the loss on JF, which I saw a good deal of, is beyond dumb and borders on the insane. Could we have won if he was better? Sure, but that’s the case in 99% of losses in which your QB isn’t an all American. Yeah, he missed some throws. He’s not Tom Brady. And yeah, his legs don’t scare the other team. He’s not a dual threat QB. But the numbers don’t lie either. When you’re completing over 70% of your passes, throwing for 350 yards and never turning the ball over, the loss isn’t on your QB for goodness sakes. It’s obvious that the loss wasn’t on the offense at all, but if you want to blame the offense for the loss blame it for not having done more with the running game. If I discard the one long run by Edwards and the one long run for Rosa, we had 30 carries for 93 yards. That, the inability to consistently control the line of scrimmage for our running game was why we couldn’t make the plays in the red zone we needed to make to win. One last note — shout out to John Nieder who is looking like he might be our second best WR.

As I alluded to earlier, the defense (or, to be blunt, the lack of defense), was so horrific that I don’t even know how to analyze it. We couldn’t stop the run, we couldn’t stop the pass, we couldn’t defend third downs and we forced no turnovers. So I’m not going to bother with analysis. Yes, for this one game we did look like the Edsall pre-Covid worst defense in NCAA history, but we did so for one game after two competent performances. I’m not going to assume that Saturday was the new normal as opposed to a statistical aberration, at least not yet, and give up on the season.

Nor am I giving up on Mora due to one horrific loss on the road. Look, as I and others said when he was hired, we were not hiring a miracle worker. Nothing in his history showed him as such. We were hiring a professional who had experience competently managing the various aspects of improving a football team and winning games. And to date, he has done at least as much as fans could have asked for. Yesterday was more than a loss — unlike the loss at Syracuse, this one does make you take a harder look at where we are and what we have left to accomplish. And if the defense plays like it did Saturday multiple more times this year, then ask me where we’re going. But not because we sucked on one Saturday on the road. I’ve seen Notre Dame lose at home to the MAC and then play itself into a national championship game. I’ve seen MIchigan lose in the Big House to Appalachian State. Yes, stains were left but the programs weren’t set back years. Let’s see where we go from here, starting with a truly bad Ball State team at home.

One last note, as a Giants fan as well, I’ve watched three OT losses in 8 days. Enough already. Whatever I’m being punished for, please stop it before I stop watching football.

Thank you for the voice of reason on Fagnano. The criticism is unreal.
 
Fagnano has (what?) one called run this season and he scored a TD. He should have a package. A bootleg run off a fake hand off, a designed quarterback draw, and a QB sneak/tush push.

Any of these would help keep defenses honest and open space for others. We need to integrate him into the running game. Delaware killed us with designed QB runs. No reason we don't do it. We had them for Turner and he couldn't run a lick.

Delaware could have killed us with any play of their choosing. We get sacks and then they would make up 18 yards with a play or one of our ridiculous penalties.
 
Lol. BizLaw, you paid attention for all those years. The Delaware game was immensely exciting, action packed. Even the biased TV announcers kept commenting on the offenses and what an exciting game fans were seeing (the "wet dream" you referenced?).

What helped lose the game was throwing to a tight end that couldn't somehow manage to convert a 4th and one, two bad play calls (1st & 2nd downs) at the 2yd line in OT. And, lots of teams win shootouts when an "abused" defense finds a way to make key stops when it matters at the end of the game (4th and 9? Really?).
 
No QB or coach is going to get every call right. Yeah, three chances from the 3 yard line should result in a TD. But let's look at the overall game and see if it was the offense or defense at fault.

First off, you're in a shootout with Delaware. Delaware!

But the simplest way to look at this is how many times did offensive drives result in a score? How many Delaware drives were there where our defense got a stop?

Let's stop with blaming the offense. As others have said, you shouldn't lose when you score 41 points. And giving up more than 41 points to a team that's playing their first season in FBS is simply ludicrous. Did Brock even watch film?
 
As ever Biz, the voice of reason. Sitting in Row X of Section I, it was a very long & hot afternoon. This game was like an old AFL game: All offense, defense need not apply. The Mrs. got fed up with me saying that the D-backs were playing too soft & the d-line was so porous.
My 2 cents: When you sack the opposing q-back on TWO separate drives & each time his offense gains the 18-19 yards on the next play for just the yardage to move the sticks, it's inexcusable.
Late in the 4th quarter, when only a first down is needed to run out the clock, good teams get that job done. I don't fault Coach Mora for trying to get that first down, but there was a great failure to execute. Had the Huskies moved the chains, I wouldn't have scrolled through now 13 pages of hysterics in the post game rant thread...
 
As ever Biz, the voice of reason. Sitting in Row X of Section I, it was a very long & hot afternoon. This game was like an old AFL game: All offense, defense need not apply. The Mrs. got fed up with me saying that the D-backs were playing too soft & the d-line was so porous.
My 2 cents: When you sack the opposing q-back on TWO separate drives & each time his offense gains the 18-19 yards on the next play for just the yardage to move the sticks, it's inexcusable.
Late in the 4th quarter, when only a first down is needed to run out the clock, good teams get that job done. I don't fault Coach Mora for trying to get that first down, but there was a great failure to execute. Had the Huskies moved the chains, I wouldn't have scrolled through now 13 pages of hysterics in the post game rant thread...

Literally just needed a QB keeper or tush push to get that first down.

I never felt less confident about a 3rd and 19 or 2nd and 19 in my football life. Not when we weren’t tackling and committing terrible penalties.
 
First time on the yard since before Saturday's kickoff). Have relatives in town and celebrated a cousin's 75th birthday.

Yes, one can critique Fagnano for couple plays (don't want to get into those) but he did have an excellent game and threw a few deep strikes that we've never seen from him.

Problem #1 was that our defense seemed to forget how to tackle. There isn't sufficient criticism to cover this.

Problem #2 is how a school brand new to FBS football (logically about half of their roster should be comprised of FCS players) was able to out physical us on both lines of scrimmage for a lot of the game. I know they have some nice pieces at skill positions from the portal, that they were a top tier FCS school for basically as long as D1 split football into two levels and i know the we aren't yet ready to matchup our roster with most P4 schools. Still, it's an indictment on many that we couldn't have demonstrated that we were at least a little better than they were on both lines of scrimmage.

A large part of me thinks that we don't take some opponents as seriously as we should (i can think of a half dozen examples from 2023), leading to situations like Saturday. I hope I'm wrong but I do see possibility of being correct.

I hope that I'm wrong on this but prior to this past weekend I fully expected Ball State to be stronger on both lines than Delaware. If this is in fact the case, we've got our work cut out for us.
 
First time on the yard since before Saturday's kickoff). Have relatives in town and celebrated a cousin's 75th birthday.

Yes, one can critique Fagnano for couple plays (don't want to get into those) but he did have an excellent game and threw a few deep strikes that we've never seen from him.

Problem #1 was that our defense seemed to forget how to tackle. There isn't sufficient criticism to cover this.

Problem #2 is how a school brand new to FBS football (logically about half of their roster should be comprised of FCS players) was able to out physical us on both lines of scrimmage for a lot of the game. I know they have some nice pieces at skill positions from the portal, that they were a top tier FCS school for basically as long as D1 split football into two levels and i know the we aren't yet ready to matchup our roster with most P4 schools. Still, it's an indictment on many that we couldn't have demonstrated that we were at least a little better than they were on both lines of scrimmage.

A large part of me thinks that we don't take some opponents as seriously as we should (i can think of a half dozen examples from 2023), leading to situations like Saturday. I hope I'm wrong but I do see possibility of being correct.

I hope that I'm wrong on this but prior to this past weekend I fully expected Ball State to be stronger on both lines than Delaware. If this is in fact the case, we've got our work cut out for us.

Delaware has a history of being a very good program. Probably better than Ball Fricking State.

Their upgrade will be JMU like. I hope our staff didn’t misjudge them like you did.
 
Biz I agree with you and have faith with HCJM. Perhaps its a character flaw in me, but the last two losses in OT raked havoc on my liver.

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Delaware has a history of being a very good program. Probably better than Ball Fricking State.

Their upgrade will be JMU like. I hope our staff didn’t misjudge them like you did.
I'd like to see how Delaware would have fared in the Mid America conference over the past half century.

The MAC isn't the B1G, but some pretty good football players have come out of that conference.
 
I'd like to see how Delaware would have fared in the Mid America conference over the past half century.

The MAC isn't the B1G, but some pretty good football players have come out of that conference.

Much better than you expect.

Most of the MAC is garbage. When we were a BCS team those CAA games were just as tricky if not more than then MAC games. I mean we lost to Towson State and they are a really mediocre program by CAA standards.
 
I started worrying about the DL when against Central when they didn't register a single sack against an FCS offensive line that had three freshman starters. Nothing since then has changed my mind. Huge dropoff from Stafford, Yates and Gourdine and it shows. Forecast: plenty of agita ahead.
 

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