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The View From Section 241 — Army

Bowl games have always been about something and about nothing. I mean, Bear Bryant went something like 8 straight losses at one point and when asked said he liked going as a reward for his players and for the extra practice for his underclassmen but he wanted his guys to have some fun in wherever they went so he gave them lots of time off. Same with Bo Schembeckler when asked why he had so much trouble in the Rose Bowl. He said he gave his players time off to see the sights and enjoy LA. It was a reward for a great season. Then one year he decided not to that and lo and behold Michigan won.
 
I think waiting to post another day would have been better.
I was very upset, but understand that this happened and it will not change how I support UConn football now or in the future.
My hope is the new coaching staff can keep Edwards, Neider and a couple of others i will be pleasantly surprised and happy.
 
Dear Businesslawyer:

I am a 25 year-plus football season ticket holder who has read and admired your 241 posts for many years. The fact that I never post (google machine phobia) should tell you something about how motivated I was to respond to your reaction to yesterday's game. Accordingly, I hope you take the comments below in the spirit of goodwill with which they are offered.

1. I don't offer one minute's worth of congratulations to the Army team. When they stepped on that field yesterday, they were football players just like any others. And, as suggested by a poster in another thread, borderline dirty ones at that. Army's first string team showed up and beat our second and third stringers. Big deal. Army is 6-1 in recent bowl games because they play mid-tier teams whose skill players have opted out of the game. Army choked in the one game that matters on their schedule -- losing the commander-in-chief's trophy.

2. This year's bowl game is not at all the same as last year's Wasabi Bowl. Going in to last year's game, there was substantial doubt as to whether UConn's first-string talent was strong enough to beat UNC's second and third string talent. Beating North Carolina last year helped to make the case that UConn can be a competitive ACC team.

3. I agree with the point you make about morality and values exhibited by players who decided not to participate in the game. But, as you acknowledge, the point is largely irrelevant. The players are merely reflecting today's culture and following the example of the "mentors" who are charged with leading them. UConn rescued Jim Mora from football oblivion (because it was in our best interests to do so). Mora could have finished the job he started here, ended his coaching career with honor, helped usher us into a conference, and there would be a statue of him in front of the Berton Football Complex. Instead, as soon as he built up enough of a record to secure another offer, he took it. He made a lateral move to another program for the purely self-interested reason of returning to the west. No matter how misguided the decisions by some players may have been, they were also acting out of perceived self interest as their first priority.

4. Although I played Division III football, I have nowhere near your level of X's and O's acumen, so I can't comment on any of the technical aspects of yesterday's play. That said, to my untrained eye, I did not see a bunch of UConn players who showed up yesterday and quit before they started. Those who were on the field played with effort. Many of them were simply overmatched or (on defense)gassed in the second half. That said, the Skyler Bell fiasco is hard to explain. But even there, I think you are being a bit unfair in suggesting that the trick play was installed solely as an ego boost for him. The offensive coordinator has shown a penchant for gadget plays all season long. Every day since Mora's departure, Sammis showed his limitations as a program leader. Good riddance to him, as you note.

5. The major premise of your post appears to be that the goal was to win the game. I think the premise is flawed. I also wish Cam Edwards had 25 carries yesterday, and that we followed a game plan of controlling the ground game and keeping the ball out of Army's hands. We didn't. I don't know why--none of us on the fan side of the equation has that answer. The goal of yesterday's exercise was to collect a check that has been reported to be in the vicinity of 2 or 2.5 million dollars. We need that money to be competitive in today's college football world. The reason UConn was offered the ACC slot by the Wasabi people is not because they love UConn or think we have a wonderful football program. It's because we have enough people who care about UConn football to put 12,000 to 15,000 people in the stands to watch a meaningless game. If the few hundred bucks I spent was helpful in securing that check, I'd say that's a pretty good return on investment.

6. Finally, I understand that you are upset. A lot of people are emotionally invested in UConn athletics. I am not a UConn alum. Besides being a sports fan, I care about UConn athletics as a whole (football, basketball, hockey, baseball, field hockey, etc.) because I believe athletic excellence at our flagship university is important to the identity and culture of our state. It would be nice if David Benedict sent an email to UConn fans explaining the business reasons why it was important to send depleted team to Boston, but he's too smart to do that. This will all blow over in time. Publicly explaining to us that the current state of college football is broken and that UConn is doing the best it can with the hand it has been dealt might make us feel better, but it won't advance the ball. We are lucky to have a skilled AD who is playing the long game. The future of UConn athletics depends on us getting into a conference. The Wasabi bowl is a blip on that long-term radar screen. You may disagree, but I seriously doubt our "brand" was damaged yesterday. The people who matter (those who control TV and conference admission) know that yesterday's game was meaningless. So, despite being disappointed by yesterday's performance and how UConn treated us as customers, I would hope everyone will continue to buy tickets and donate to the athletic department. The ability of UConn's sports programs to compete at a high level and maintain excellence depends, in the long run, on power conference affiliation --or whatever "club" may evolve in future years. Please keep investing in that goal.

Great post.
 
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I am pretty hard core, was at game and spent the weekend. I am a small time donor alum. My connection with the school is strong. The game sucked. But we were on the other side of this last year and loved it. I just think we as fans need to do our part. Minimally its showing up , even when it sucks. To me that is the ticket to elevate our brand and get us in a better place. The whole situation sucked and the AD and his team maybe did not handle it perfectly but it was a really bad situation. I also know for a fact they were and still are working mostly on getting yhe assistants in place while re recruiting the guys we want from this team and targets currently outside the team. I hope people dont make decisions on support off the bowl game experience this year. In isolation it was a debacle but given the overall circumstances its understandable.
I agree with the vast majority of what you just said. But I believe we were owed someone somewhat honestly addressing the rumors. That’s all.
Dear Businesslawyer:

I am a 25 year-plus football season ticket holder who has read and admired your 241 posts for many years. The fact that I never post (google machine phobia) should tell you something about how motivated I was to respond to your reaction to yesterday's game. Accordingly, I hope you take the comments below in the spirit of goodwill with which they are offered.

1. I don't offer one minute's worth of congratulations to the Army team. When they stepped on that field yesterday, they were football players just like any others. And, as suggested by a poster in another thread, borderline dirty ones at that. Army's first string team showed up and beat our second and third stringers. Big deal. Army is 6-1 in recent bowl games because they play mid-tier teams whose skill players have opted out of the game. Army choked in the one game that matters on their schedule -- losing the commander-in-chief's trophy.

2. This year's bowl game is not at all the same as last year's Wasabi Bowl. Going in to last year's game, there was substantial doubt as to whether UConn's first-string talent was strong enough to beat UNC's second and third string talent. Beating North Carolina last year helped to make the case that UConn can be a competitive ACC team.

3. I agree with the point you make about morality and values exhibited by players who decided not to participate in the game. But, as you acknowledge, the point is largely irrelevant. The players are merely reflecting today's culture and following the example of the "mentors" who are charged with leading them. UConn rescued Jim Mora from football oblivion (because it was in our best interests to do so). Mora could have finished the job he started here, ended his coaching career with honor, helped usher us into a conference, and there would be a statue of him in front of the Berton Football Complex. Instead, as soon as he built up enough of a record to secure another offer, he took it. He made a lateral move to another program for the purely self-interested reason of returning to the west. No matter how misguided the decisions by some players may have been, they were also acting out of perceived self interest as their first priority.

4. Although I played Division III football, I have nowhere near your level of X's and O's acumen, so I can't comment on any of the technical aspects of yesterday's play. That said, to my untrained eye, I did not see a bunch of UConn players who showed up yesterday and quit before they started. Those who were on the field played with effort. Many of them were simply overmatched or (on defense)gassed in the second half. That said, the Skyler Bell fiasco is hard to explain. But even there, I think you are being a bit unfair in suggesting that the trick play was installed solely as an ego boost for him. The offensive coordinator has shown a penchant for gadget plays all season long. Every day since Mora's departure, Sammis showed his limitations as a program leader. Good riddance to him, as you note.

5. The major premise of your post appears to be that the goal was to win the game. I think the premise is flawed. I also wish Cam Edwards had 25 carries yesterday, and that we followed a game plan of controlling the ground game and keeping the ball out of Army's hands. We didn't. I don't know why--none of us on the fan side of the equation has that answer. The goal of yesterday's exercise was to collect a check that has been reported to be in the vicinity of 2 or 2.5 million dollars. We need that money to be competitive in today's college football world. The reason UConn was offered the ACC slot by the Wasabi people is not because they love UConn or think we have a wonderful football program. It's because we have enough people who care about UConn football to put 12,000 to 15,000 people in the stands to watch a meaningless game. If the few hundred bucks I spent was helpful in securing that check, I'd say that's a pretty good return on investment.

6. Finally, I understand that you are upset. A lot of people are emotionally invested in UConn athletics. I am not a UConn alum. Besides being a sports fan, I care about UConn athletics as a whole (football, basketball, hockey, baseball, field hockey, etc.) because I believe athletic excellence at our flagship university is important to the identity and culture of our state. It would be nice if David Benedict sent an email to UConn fans explaining the business reasons why it was important to send depleted team to Boston, but he's too smart to do that. This will all blow over in time. Publicly explaining to us that the current state of college football is broken and that UConn is doing the best it can with the hand it has been dealt might make us feel better, but it won't advance the ball. We are lucky to have a skilled AD who is playing the long game. The future of UConn athletics depends on us getting into a conference. The Wasabi bowl is a blip on that long-term radar screen. You may disagree, but I seriously doubt our "brand" was damaged yesterday. The people who matter (those who control TV and conference admission) know that yesterday's game was meaningless. So, despite being disappointed by yesterday's performance and how UConn treated us as customers, I would hope everyone will continue to buy tickets and donate to the athletic department. The ability of UConn's sports programs to compete at a high level and maintain excellence depends, in the long run, on power conference affiliation --or whatever "club" may evolve in future years. Please keep investing in that goal.

First, I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. Heck, I’ve been married for 43 years and a lawyer for 41. It’s rare that anyone ever agrees with me. Post more often!

Second, I agree with much of what you posted. I thought I was clear that the players who were in played hard. You must know football better than I do — for the two decades I’ve been doing 241 I’ve always been clear that many have more technical knowledge of the sport than I ever will — but the very fact that we were in it at halftime with negative passing yardage is proof of that. The defense just ran out of gas, which with no subs coming in on long drives was entirely predictable. I thought the offensive coaches did not coach to win. Rosa should been used as much has he could help us, not get a reward of starting both halves. Bell should never have been allowed to come in for one play. He should have been told your call, but play or not. And the offense should have been running and running and running, until we were more than two scores down. And unless he was hurt, Edwards should have had more carries, and when he couldn’t carry any more Brown and Rosa and Lundberg-Coleman should have kept running the same plays. I thought the offensive coaching let everyone down, and was entirely unfair to the defensive players who were trying their best but unable to stand up to what they were asked to do. Football isn’t basketball. People take too much risk to their bodies, and take too many hits (especially on a cold day) to not have the coaches doing what they can to win. Play the game to win or don’t play the game.

And, by the way, as someone who has never served my country I do take offense at your shots at the Army players, in that being chippy football players really doesn’t change the fact that they are giving part of their life to serve the public. But I’m not challenging your conclusion as to their chippiness, although ultimately players in any sport will get away with what refs don’t call.
 
College football is making itself smaller. The timing of player transfers is making bowl games only watchable to the University alumni. Any gamblers? Who would bet on non-playoff bowl games?
 
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There are very few products and services in this world that you can sell without telling your customer base the quality of the product/service is going to be substandard in this one case and not have it blow back and damage your brand. Frankly, I hope that I’m the unicorn here and the brand has not been damaged by this. But if the UConn Athletic Department is assuming that they have not spit in the eye of the folks they need to succeed and pay their salaries, I think they are making a bad mistake. When you lose folks who kept buying tickets and making donations through the lost decade, ….

BL, thank you for your 241s. I would expand the quote above to college football in general. It’s seriously broken and it’s ignoring its customer……the fan. What’s going on now is unsustainable on many fronts.

I’m still a UCONN and college football fan. Do I attend as many games or watch as many games on TV as I used to? I do not. In fact, I find myself gravitating to the NFL more and more. I know what that product is and I know what motivates those players and franchises. It’s all above board.

So here’s the question for major college athletics……how many of me are out there? Because once you lose your customer you are totally and thoroughly f….’d.
 
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I have to assume that Nick Evers is retiring from football. If not…I have no idea why any school would want him in a leadership role on their team.
i think an mid-tier FCS school will take a risk on him, why not.
they won't pay him, that's for sure.

and if he does convince an fbs to take him, i suspect it'll be a bottom of the barrel program at this point. kent state, umass, etc. he'll be lucky to get an NIL package with his resume. you can't get on the field at wisconsin? that's one thing... uconn? next.
 
Our defense got throttled yesterday, no doubt.
But there was one guy Tyquan King who was out there late in 4th quarter giving it everything.
Shout out to that kid for showing up and playing with some fire.
On one play late, he just stuffed the runner on 3rd down for no gain.
They couldn’t stop the 4th down and Army went on to score the last TD. But King was out there giving 100%.
I wish more played like him yesterday.
 
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Professional sports answer to gambling platforms - that's where the money is. College Sports are not far behind. I believe we will see athletes in all sports demand a cut from the bets placed on them and their teams.
 
A couple of things I noticed: Greaves got a carry (at least according to the play-by-play) late during the final drive of the game. I think his not playing was a Sammis decision, vs his choice. Hansen played a bit (in fact he had a penalty in that final drive that knocked Greaves off the statsheet), Renwick I saw come in as a reserve in the second half; I saw Key a fair amount (though he only had one tackle, when it was 34-16). I think one of the areas that Sammis struggled with was seeing the field and being in a position to adjust to take advantage with other personnel groupings or potential contributors (Terrence Smith saw the field on the 2-point conversion and returns, but otherwise not at all, running some wildcat with his speed would've given Army something else to consider). I do wonder to what extent the team was left to manage themselves... rather than being inspired and led, it felt more like the game was just a task.

I agree whole-heartedly with the Turner Myrtle Beach Bowl comparison. Not Farrar's fault, but he clearly wasn't ready... McDonald threw well during warm-ups (whereas a lot of what Farrar threw in warm-ups, saw the receivers turned around backpedaling to avoid out-running the pass) but for him to not go in, given the performance he clearly wasn't actually cleared for contact. Only 3 of the completions were 10 or more yards downfield (airtime); only 6 attempts were 10 or more yards downfield, two of those being the throws through the end zone on the third quarter drive. Farrar never targeted the tight-ends this game everything was outside. I think Sammis was likely distracted and frankly, not ready for his turn as interim coach; but Mora didn't really have anyone on staff that had the experience you'd normally expect of an interim and I think it showed.


That said... despite the performance & the cold, I'm still glad I took another chance to watch UConn before we settle into 9 months of speculating about everything and anything that Candle does. Thanks as always for these write-ups.
 
i think an mid-tier FCS school will take a risk on him, why not.
they won't pay him, that's for sure.

and if he does convince an fbs to take him, i suspect it'll be a bottom of the barrel program at this point. kent state, umass, etc. he'll be lucky to get an NIL package with his resume. you can't get on the field at wisconsin? that's one thing... uconn? next.
In fairness to Evers, he didn’t play here this year because he played behind one of the top passers in college football.

He might get interest from a G5 program. Still don’t know why he wasn’t there yesterday - it wasn’t a good look for him.
 
Excellent post. This game was very damaging, far beyond the final score on the field.
Very damaging to who? Everyone woke up Sunday morning, and as far as I am aware, nobody got injured, and nobody is worse for ware. A great UConn football season is in the books. Now it’s time for Coach Candle and staff to start preparing for next year. Should be another fun year.
 
I browsed the opt out tracker. Every bowl game was the same. I didn’t watch one bowl game other than UCONN. For UCONN, I lost interest halfway through the second half.

If that’s the product that gets offered then they’ll have to change it. Fans won’t tolerate it.
 
1. It was very cold. Very, very cold sitting on the roof with the wind blowing in one's face. The fans who showed up are the true heroes of this game. I had to leave after the first quarter and watch the rest of the game from a bar because I thought I would get sick and die.

2. Did I mention it was cold. Layering usually works but it proved inadequate in this case.
 
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1. It was very cold. Very, very cold sitting on the roof with the wind blowing in one's face. The fans who showed up are the true heroes of this game. I had to leave after the first quarter and watch the rest of the game from a bar because I thought I would get sick and die.

2. Did I mention it was cold. Layering usually works but it proved inadequate in this case.
Horrible weather to hit right beforehand. Only thing worse would have been the snow during the game. Though that might have helped our team performance...
 
I wonder if there were issues with footing. A couple plays looked like the runner wasn’t able to make great cuts. Almost like trying to change direction on ice, but not as bad.
 
There's a lot of good stuff in this thread. As with most of BizLaw's posts, I agree with 70% of it (+/- a few percentage points).

It's reasonable to be mad at missing out at a school record 10-win season. Anyone who isn't mad has probably not spent the amount of money on UConn Football as BizLaw has or the years in the stadium.

It's reasonable to be mad at the players who chose not to play (or to only play 1 play) after having fallen in love with them over the season or the seasons that they wore the national flag blue and white. I don't care if it's "the new way of things"... it's still reasonable.

It's reasonable to be mad at a college system that keeps us on the outside looking in for everything, from money to playoffs to scheduling, etc. And yet they still want us to travel and spend money to be at games that most here have called "worthless" or "irrelevant", and if we dare not go to these worthless games as fans, they won't let us into their exclusive clubs because we don't "travel well".

it's probably not reasonable to be mad at Benedict. It's probably not reasonable to be mad at coaches' play calls for players, especially when those same coaches are currently employed at other schools yet decided to stay with us because we absolutely needed them to.

At the end of the day; UConn made money that we need for the department, the UConn fan base continued to demonstrate that we're willing to travel for the team, and I'll be able to rely on the fact that most people in the country will forget about the outcome as quickly as they forget about everything else.

On to the Candle Era.
Pride. Heart. UConn.
 
Very damaging to who? Everyone woke up Sunday morning, and as far as I am aware, nobody got injured, and nobody is worse for ware. A great UConn football season is in the books. Now it’s time for Coach Candle and staff to start preparing for next year. Should be another fun year.
Yesterday was not a good product. Improvement can only be made if you first recognize that.
 
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…So I’ve spoken for a week and a half about how absurd this is, and I’m not going to spend too much time on it, but let me make a few last points. Yes, I know that players and teams sitting out bowl games is a college football problem and not primarily a UConn problem, but that doesn’t make it understandable to me. I think about rushing myself back from injuries more quickly than I should have as a high school and college wrestler because I wanted to be able to help my teammates win, and I just can’t fathom the selfishness of what is going on today.
this x1,000. We were taught that your honor was defined by your commitment. You hid your injuries if you could and begged to play when you couldn't because being on the field to competing and helping the team win was all that mattered. It was never about you. It was about us. Every game mattered. Every series mattered. It was a warrior’s code (at least as close as you can get to one playing a game). These kids have been taught all the wrong things and led astray by greedy adults who don’t respect or understand the game. Any kid who’s played football in high school and those at a college level understand the honoring the game demands sacrifice. Off my soap box.
 

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